Earned the Olympic Berth(s) - Not Going to Olympics

Is the Swedish Olympic Committee allowing Ostlund to use the spot in ladies? I hadn't been following very closely but if so, why are they making Majorov hit a much higher standard than her?

vesperholly said:
Hasn't she been injured all season? She withdrew from Europeans.
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I don't think logic has any bearing on this fandom...
 
vesperholly said:
How do you motivate your skaters to do well and train hard if you take away the carrot at the end of the stick?
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And at their own expense?

Clearly some NOC's don't care if skating is represented. Does anyone know if sports dear to their hearts and national identities have such ridiculously high standards that the bronze medalist at Europeans or the equivalent hasn't reached?

Erin said:
Is the Swedish Olympic Committee allowing Ostlund to use the spot in ladies? I hadn't been following very closely but if so, why are they making Majorov hit a much higher standard than her?
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There are lower standards for developmental skaters, ie, those who haven't been to the Olympics before. Majorov went to Sochi under the same provision.
 
vesperholly said:
Hasn't she been injured all season? She withdrew from Europeans.

Seriously pissed for Majorov. He earned that spot with a medal at Nebelhorn AND with his 7th place finish at Europeans. The BRONZE MEDALIST didn't even earn 260 points. How do you motivate your skaters to do well and train hard if you take away the carrot at the end of the stick?
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Anastasia competed to get an Olympic spot at the Nebelhorn Trophy back in the summer or early fall and missed securing the spot by approximately ten points. It was a real disappointment! She is injured but I think she might have tried to compete in Korea if she had secured herself that opportunity, but I guess that doesn't matter now.

I am hearing so much talk of this Majorov skater here, I will have to look up videos of him today. I wonder if he is related to the Russia coach who used to work with Miki Ando. She was one of my favorite skaters! I loved her exotic Cleopatra program.
 
StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
I am hearing so much talk of this Majorov skater here, I will have to look up videos of him today. I wonder if he is related to the Russia coach who used to work with Miki Ando. She was one of my favorite skaters! I loved her exotic Cleopatra program.
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Morozov?

StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
I do not know much about American skating but I saw posts on web sites talking about how Ross Minor and Ashley Wagner should have been able to go to the Olympics, too. Maybe people have discussed that on this forum but I am new here so I don't know if that's true or not!
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Yes, it has been discussed :)
Especially Ross.
I think most of the discussion is in the Kiss 'n Cry forum, which you need a membership to read.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
Say what now?

The initial post says "2018 confirmed"
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I think that person was misunderstanding what it means to "earn" the Olympic spot. This discussion is about being the person who earned the country's spot, but then didn't fill it. The person who made that comment was remarking (that they think) Ross earned a trip to the Olympics, and is not getting it.
 
Seerek said:
For 2018 confirmed:

Angelina Kuchvalska
Viveca Lindfors
June Hyoung Lee

Ashley Wagner (for 3 spots)
Jason Brown (for 3 spots)
Mai Mihara/Wakaba Higuchi (for 2 spots)

Still to be confirmed:
Matilda Algotsson
Laurine Lecavelier

Anybody else I have missed?

(Oops...move to Trash Can please, thanks).
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Karen is really the one who earned the US three spots last year by coming in 4th. If she hadn't been on the team, the US would only have 2 spots this year. I'm not saying Ashley didn't contribute, because she did, but it's kind of a stretch for me to feel sorry for her for not being on the team because she came in 7th at Worlds last year.
 
giselle23 said:
Karen is really the one who earned the US three spots last year by coming in 4th. If she hadn't been on the team, the US would only have 2 spots this year. I'm not saying Ashley didn't contribute, because she did, but it's kind of a stretch for me to feel sorry for her for not being on the team because she came in 7th at Worlds last year.
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I SO AGREE with you.

But that Karen was MIA Big time this season.

And 100% unprepared.... last season was going through 18 pairs of boots, this season was changing programs every competition.

Too risky for me to say she should have been a lock. With her (even as of today) you have absolutely NO IDEA what she's going to do (and that includes programs). With Ash you know you're gonna get a committed performance with a UR here and there, perhaps a 2 foot on the second 3 lutz. Risk cut by 50-65%. I know with Ash's first jump combo she will be vertical (perhaps that UR) with Karens first combo I have to look away and check back in after 5 seconds.

If that same Karen was present (and still having luke warm performances) I would say just put her on, but not with how she was this season.
 
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giselle23 said:
Karen is really the one who earned the US three spots last year by coming in 4th. If she hadn't been on the team, the US would only have 2 spots this year. I'm not saying Ashley didn't contribute, because she did, but it's kind of a stretch for me to feel sorry for her for not being on the team because she came in 7th at Worlds last year.
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And without Ashley, there's only two spots. Mariah was 12th. Her placement 100% contributed.

It's not necessarily about feeling sorry for them, just acknowledging that they earned their country a spot.
 
wickedwitch said:
And without Ashley, there's only two spots. Mariah was 12th. Her placement 100% contributed.

It's not necessarily about feeling sorry for them, just acknowledging that they earned their country a spot.
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Quote: "I'm not saying Ashley didn't contribute."
 
The SOC reminds me a bit of when the COC had a strict Olympic qualifying criteria, which caused Canada to waste its third berth in the Men's at the Olympics in 1998.
 
ITA @Hanna. How do you grow a sport, and the fan base, if you do not provide athletes with Olympic opportunities? The media coverage alone inspires young viewers to take up the sport. One just has to look at accounts of current elite skaters. Really short-sighted of the Swedish OC to undermine the figure skating program in this way.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
And did a job on Sandhu's head, from which I don't think he ever recovered.
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It definitely did. I'm glad the COC isn't doing it now and allows all the spots to be filled. It's so unfair to deny the athletes a chance. Everyone needs to start somewhere.
 
Elaine Zayak in 1980 - 4th at US Nats, World Jr Champion, assigned to 1980 World Team. They held up S Lenz (no triples) for 80 Oly, but kept Elaine home at 13 (7 triples and a triple in the SP).

Zayak was only 18 when she lost USFS support for the 1984 Oly - turning pro at that young age now seems like a recipe for disaster - which for Elaine and others (Dorothy, Roz), it was in many ways.
 
Isn't this thread supposed to be about skaters who helped earn Olympic spots LAST YEAR and who didn't make the Olympic team this year for whatever reasons? And not another gripefest about "my favorite isn't going" or about skaters who DIDN'T play a role in earning those spots????
 
seabm7 said:
it's not the federation. The Swedish Olympic Committee required the figure skaters should earn the points at the level of 2017 World placement 8th this season.
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I believe the above was specific to Majorov?

Cross-posting background info from the Scandinavian skaters news thread:
Lis said:
New interview with Alexander Majorov [before 2017 Nebelhorn Trophy]

http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2017majorov
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Relevant excerpt:
So what exactly are the Swedish Olympic Committee's requirements?
A minimum of 258 points. Before my first Olympic Games [in 2014] the minimum was to place 18th at Worlds.

When did you find out about the points required?
After Worlds in Helsinki. I did ask them a long time ago, but never got an answer. It was extremely hard not knowing. I wanted to know the exact deal and have it in writing, and I finally got it after Worlds. This time it's not about placement, but points achieved at either Challenger, Grand Prix or Euros that count. So I will either get dropped from the Swedish committee's program already after the Nebelhorn Trophy or after Euros, or after the free program at the Olympics. It's a raw deal but it's good to be aware so you're not suddenly in shock. I have a plan now and know exactly what to do and when, if it happens. It's good to have this communication though; there won't be any media chaos for something you might have said. Information should go to the athlete first, and not to the media. The athlete should know the policy before it becomes official.
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Here is a link to Alexanders videoblogg [after he won the bronze at Nebelhorn & earned an Olympic men's berth for SWE] where he explains the requirements from SOK

https://play.mobicast.tv/sports/alexander-majorov-konstakning/i-did-it
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Kolyada scored 257.47 in his 8th place finish at Helsinki Worlds. Majorov scored 225.86 in his 7th place finish at Euros in Moscow (154.58 new ISU PB in his FS). His ISU PB total is 228.97 at 2016 CS Warsaw Cup.
 
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@Sylvia I'm asking because you likely have this information, otherwise i'll go do some digging- but how many skaters meet the 258 number that Sweden have picked? I mean, obviously 7 from Helsinki worlds... But I'm wondering just how limiting it really is.
 
Skittl1321 said:
@Sylvia I'm asking because you likely have this information, otherwise i'll go do some digging- but how many skaters meet the 258 number that Sweden have picked? I mean, obviously 7 from Helsinki worlds... But I'm wondering just how limiting it really is.
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This season, only 12 skaters have earned 258 points or more: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2017-18/sbtsmto.htm

All by JPN, RUS, USA plus Jin and Ge.

It's unnecessarily unobtainable, IMO. It's like someone purposely set the bar too high.
 
If you're not considered a medal contender, even if that means a couple of bad performances by others, do not apply.

:angryfire
 
vesperholly said:
All by JPN, RUS, USA plus Jin and Ge.

It's unnecessarily unobtainable, IMO. It's like someone purposely set the bar too high.
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+Javier

Thanks (to you and Sylvia).

It seems like a goal that was set by someone who knows nothing about skating. I wonder how the number was determined. Interesting Vincent Zhou didn't get to that either...what a silly bar. A lot of great skaters are falling below it. Especially ridiculous the number wasn't determined before the season was over
 
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