2019/20 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & Alternates thread

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2019/20 ISU Grand Prix info page: https://isu.org/figure-skating/events/grand-prix-of-figure-skating

General Announcement (16 pages): https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2019-20/grand-prix/series-files-27/21444-gp-general-announcement-2019-20-final/file

Entry lists by discipline (as of June 20, 2019):

MEN: https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2019-20/grand-prix/series-files-27/entries-4/21486-entries-men-2019-20-all-6-events/file

LADIES: https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2019-20/grand-prix/series-files-27/entries-4/21487-entries-ladies-2019-20-all-6-events/file

PAIRS: https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2019-20/grand-prix/series-files-27/entries-4/21485-entries-pairs-2019-20-all-6-events/file

ICE DANCE: https://isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/figure-skating-4/2019-20/grand-prix/series-files-27/entries-4/21484-entries-ice-dance-2019-20-all-6-events/file
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Copying out all the initial entries below... I tried to include the first names of all the skaters/teams who will be making their GP debuts. * = seeded from 2019 Worlds


Skate America, Oct. 18-20, 2019, Las Vegas, Nevada
MEN: Messing CAN, *Jin CHN, Brezina CZE, Ponsart FRA, Koshiro Shimada JPN, Tomono JPN, Cha KOR, Aliev RUS, Roman Savosin RUS, Brown USA, *N. Chen USA, TBD USA
LADIES: Mallet CAN, Higuchi JPN, *Sakamoto JPN, Yamashita JPN, *Tursynbaeva KAZ, Lim KOR, Konstantinova RUS, Anna Shcherbakova RUS, Tuktamysheva RUS, K. Chen USA, Tennell USA, TBD USA
PAIRS: Alexandrovskaya/Windsor AUS, Ruest/Wolfe CAN, *Peng/Jin CHN, Pavliuchenko/Khodykin RUS, *Zabiiako/Enbert RUS, Cain/LeDuc USA, Denney/Frazier USA, TBD USA
DANCE: Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen CAN, Hong Chen/Zhuoming Sun CHN (GP debut as a team), Lauriault/Le Gac FRA, Sofia Shevchenko/Igor Eremenko RUS, *Stepanova/Bukin RUS, Zagorski/Guerreiro RUS, Smart/Diaz ESP, Carreira/Ponomarenko USA, *Hubbell/Donohue USA, TBD USA


Skate Canada International, Oct. 25-27, 2019, Kelowna BC
MEN: Kerry AUS, Nadeau CAN, Nguyen CAN, Sadovsky CAN, Fentz GER, Rizzo ITA, *Hanyu JPN, Tanaka JPN, Vasiljevs LAT, *Kolyada RUS, Lazukin RUS, Camden Pulkinen USA
LADIES: Aurora Cotop CAN, Daleman CAN, TBD CAN, *Kihira JPN, Mihara JPN, Yelim Kim KOR, Young You KOR, *Medvedeva RUS, Sakhanovich RUS, Alexandra Trusova RUS, Paganini SUI, Tennell USA
PAIRS: Ilyushechkina/Bilodeau CAN (new), Moore-Towers/Marinaro CAN, CAN TBD, Feiyao Tang/Yongchao Yang CHN, *Boikova/Kozlovskii RUS, *Tarasova/Morozov RUS, Calalang/Brian Johnson USA, Scimeca Knierim/Knierim USA
DANCE: *Gilles/Poirier CAN, Marjorie Lajoie/Zachary Lagha CAN, Sales/Wamsteeker CAN, Fear/Gibson GBR, Evdokimova/Bazin RUS, Popova/Mozgov RUS, Caroline Green/Michael Parsons USA (new), Hawayek/Baker USA, *Hubbell/Donohue USA


Internationaux de France, Nov. 1-3, 2019, Grenoble FRA
MEN: Nadeau CAN, Aymoz FRA, Ponsart FRA, TBD FRA, Kvitelashvili GEO, Samohin ISR, *Uno JPN, Samarin RUS, Anton Shulepov RUS, Voronov RUS, *N. Chen USA, Tomoki Hiwatashi USA
LADIES: Hendrickx BEL, Lecavelier FRA, Meite FRA, TBD FRA, Higuchi JPN, *Sakamoto JPN, Shiraiwa JPN, Alena Kostornaia RUS, Sotskova RUS, *Zagitova RUS, Bell USA, Ting Cui USA
PAIRS: Ziegler/Kiefer AUT, *James/Cipres FRA, Hase/Seegert GER, Anastasia Mishina/Aleksandr Galliamov RUS, Pavliuchenko/Khodykin RUS, *Zabiiako/Enbert RUS, Cain/LeDuc USA, Denney/Frazier USA
DANCE: Soucisse/Firus CAN, Lauriault/Le Gac FRA, *Papadakis/Cizeron FRA, TBD FRA, Guignard/Fabbri ITA, Kaliszek/Spodyriev POL, Zagorski/Guerreiro RUS, Smart/Diaz ESP, *Chock/Bates USA, McNamara/Carpenter USA


Cup of China, Nov. 8-10, 2019, Chongqing (new GP city) CHN
MEN: Messing CAN, *Jin CHN, H. Yan CHN, TBD CHN, Chih-I Tsao TPE, Rizzo ITA, Tanaka JPN, Cha KOR, Lazukin RUS, Roman Savosin RUS, Camden Pulkinen USA, *Zhou USA
LADIES: Daleman CAN, Hongyi Chen CHN, Yi (Beverly) Zhu CHN, TBD CHN, Lindfors FIN, Honda JPN, Mihara JPN, *Miyahara JPN, *Tursynbaeva KAZ, Samodurova RUS, Anna Shcherbakova RUS, Tuktamysheva RUS
PAIRS: Ilyushechkina/Bilodeau CAN (new), *Peng/Jin CHN, *Sui/Han CHN, TBD CHN, Ryom/Kim PRK, Della Monica/Guarise ITA, Efimova/Korovin RUS, Kayne/O'Shea USA
DANCE: Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen CAN, Hong Chen/Zhuoming Sun CHN, Wang/Liu CHN, TBD CHN, Komatsubara/Koleto JPN, Evdokimova/Bazin RUS, *Sinitsina/Katsalapov RUS, Skoptcova/Aleshin RUS, *Chock/Bates USA, Hawayek/Baker USA


Rostelecom Cup, Nov. 15-17, 2019, Moscow RUS
MEN: Vladimir Litvintsev AZE, Nguyen CAN, Brezina CZE, Kvitelashvili GEO, Tomono JPN, *Uno JPN, Vasiljevs LAT, Aliev RUS, Samarin RUS, TBD RUS, Krasnozhon USA, *Zhou USA
LADIES: Ekaterina Ryabova AZE, Hendrickx BEL, Hongyi Chen CHN, Lecavelier FRA, *Miyahara JPN, Shiraiwa JPN, Yuhana Yokoi JPN, Konstantinova RUS, *Medvedeva RUS, Alexandra Trusova RUS, Paganini SUI, Bell USA
PAIRS: Ziegler/Kiefer AUT, Walsh/Michaud CAN, Hase/Seegert GER, Rebecca Ghilardi/Filippo Ambrosini ITA, *Boikova/Kozlovskii RUS, *Tarasova/Morozov RUS, TBD RUS, Lu/Mitrofanov USA
DANCE: *Gilles/Poirier CAN, Marjorie Lajoie/Zachary Lagha CAN, Turkkila/Versluis FIN, Galyavieva/Thauron FRA, Reed/Ambrulevicius LTU, Kaliszek/Spodyriev POL, *Sinitsina/Katsalapov RUS, Skoptcova/Aleshin RUS, TBD RUS, Hurtado/Khaliavin ESP


NHK Trophy, Nov. 22-24, 2019, Sapporo JPN
MEN: Conrad Orzel CAN, Sadovsky CAN, Aymoz FRA, Bychenko ISR, *Hanyu JPN, Yamamoto JPN, TBD JPN, Dmitriev RUS, *Kolyada RUS, Voronov RUS, Brown USA, Tomoki Hiwatashi USA
LADIES: Lindfors FIN, Meite FRA, *Kihira JPN, Yamashita JPN, TBD JPN, Lim KOR, Alena Kostornaia RUS, Samodurova RUS, *Zagitova RUS, Andrews USA, K. Chen USA, Ting Cui USA
PAIRS: Moore-Towers/Marinaro CAN, *Sui/Han CHN, *James/Cipres FRA, Della Monica/Guarise ITA, TBD JPN, Anastasia Mishina/Aleksandr Galliamov RUS, Kayne/O'Shea USA, Scimeca Knierim/Knierim USA
DANCE: Soucisse/Firus CAN, Wang/Liu CHN, *Papadakis/Cizeron FRA, Fear/Gibson GBR, Guignard/Fabbri ITA, Komatsubara/Koleto JPN, Sofia Shevchenko/Igor Eremenko RUS, *Stepanova/Bukin RUS, Carreira/Ponomarenko USA, McNamara/Carpenter USA

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2018-19 ISU Season Best total scores lists, for reference: Men | Ladies | Pairs | Ice Dance

Link to kwanfan1818's thread about the GP projected selections eligible by discipline (posts #1, 5, 9 & 11) https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2019-20-gp-selection-19-20-june.105679/ and where all the initial, excited/intense discussion about these selections is happening, starting from post #73 ;).

TBD spots (as of 20 June):
USA - 1 in all 4 disciplines
CAN - 1 lady/pair
FRA - 1 man/lady/dance team
CHN - 1 in all 4 disciplines
RUS - 1 man/pair/dance team
JPN - 1 man/lady/pair

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ISU's press release: https://isu.org/isu-news/news/125-grand-prix-news/12648-olympic-and-world-champions-to-compete-in-the-isu-grand-prix-of-figure-skating-series-2019-20?templateParam=15

USFS' press release: https://www.usfsa.org/story?id=92468&type=media

Skate Canada's press release: https://skatecanada.ca/2019/06/canadian-medallists-headline-the-2019-skate-canada-international-in-kelowna/

Russian federation's press release: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/pairs-discussion-thread-2019-20-“two-skating-as-one”.105581/#post-5582757
 
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SamuraiK

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If I did this right , these should be the top 10 alternates in each discipline..
(feel free to spot any error or suggestions ;) )


MEN
AZE VLADIMIR LITVINTZEV (RC)
ISR DANIEL SAMOHIN (IF)
RUS ANTON SHULEPOV (IF)
RUS ARTUR DMITRIEV (NHK)
AUS BRENDAN KERRY (SC)
GER PAUL FENTZ (SC)
ISR ALEXEI BYCHENKO (NHK)
JPN KOSHIRO SHIMADA (SA)
GEO IRAKLI MAYSURADZE (none)
RUS ALEXEY EROKHOV (none)

LADIES
RUS SERAFIMA SAKHANOVICH (SC)
RUS ANNA TARUSINA (none)
RUS ANASTASIA GUBANOVA (none)
KOR YE-LIM KIM (SC)
RUS ALENA LEONOVA (none)
RUS ANASTASIA GULIAKOVA (none)
JPN MARIN HONDA (COC)
JPN YUHANA YOKOI (RC)
KOR YOUNG YOU (SC)
USA ASHLEY LIN (none, rumoured to switch to CHN)

Next 5 non russians...
ITA MARINA PIREDDA (none)
AZE EKATERINA RYABOVA (RC)
USA COURTNEY HICKS (none)
HKG YI LEUNG (none)
USA HANNA HARRELL (none, staying junior??)

PAIRS
PRK RYOM & KIM (COC)
RUS EFIMOVA & KOROVIN (COC)
CAN WALSH & MICHAUD (RC)
USA CALALANG & JOHNSON (SC)
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA)
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA)
ITA GHILARDI & AMBROSINI (RC)
USA LU & MITROFANOV (RC)
CRO PETRANOVIC & SOUZA-KORDEIRU (none)
GBR JONES & BOYADJI (none)

DANCE:
RUS POPOVA & MOZGOV (SC)
FIN TURKKILA & VERSLUIS (RC)
LTU REED & AMBRULEVICIUS (RC)
FRA GALAVYEVA & THAURON (RC)
RUS SHPILEVAYA & SMIRNOV (none)
GER KOCH & NUECHTERN (none)
ITA TESSARI & FIORETTI (None)
GBR TWEEDALE & BCUKLAND (none)
HUN YANOVSKAYA & LUKACS (none)
GER MUELLER & DIECK (none)
 

Stephanie

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Would Gubanova and Tarusina be eligible as alternates as I'm guessing the Russian Fed didn't submit their names (they were each guaranteed one)?
 

SamuraiK

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Would Gubanova and Tarusina be eligible as alternates as I'm guessing the Russian Fed didn't submit their names (they were each guaranteed one)?

We don't know for sure if they weren't submitted or the 18 available spots for RUS were filled before they get to them although that scenario is less likely since also guaranteed one Konstantinova got 2 anyway. In the case of Tarusina since she was put on the RUS Junior Team Im guessing she wasnt submitted but Gubanova is weird.
 

Colonel Green

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We don't know for sure if they weren't submitted or the 18 available spots for RUS were filled before they get to them although that scenario is less likely since also guaranteed one Konstantinova got 2 anyway.
If they had been submitted, they were guaranteed one, which means that would be given before the non-seeded skaters got a second one.
 

haribobo

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Normally yes but this year Russia had too many ladies for all the guaranteed to get one while also making sure their contenders got 2...or whatever wording makes more sense
 

her grace

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If I did this right , these should be the top 10 alternates in each discipline..
(feel free to spot any error or suggestions ;) )
Thanks for putting this together. :)

Pairs looks a little off, though.

PRK RYOM & KIM (COC)
RUS EFIMOVA & KOROVIN (COC)
CAN WALSH & MICHAUD (RC)
USA CALALANG & JOHNSON (SC)
CHN Tang/Yang (SC)
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA)
RUS Poluianova/Sopot (he aged out of jrs) (none)
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA)
ITA GHILARDI & AMBROSINI (RC)
USA Feng/Nyman (she aged out of jrs) (none)
USA Lockley/Prochnow (he aged out of jrs) (none)

USA LU & MITROFANOV (RC)
RUS Kudriavtseva/Spiridonov (he aged out of jrs) (none)
CRO PETRANOVIC & SOUZA-KORDEIRU (none)
GBR JONES & BOYADJI (none)

Some of the junior teams may have split, but some of them are still together and could be chosen.
 

Wyliefan

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I had forgotten about Prochnow aging out of juniors. Bummer that they didn't get any spots. They had some fairly decent results last season, after all.
 

SamuraiK

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If they had been submitted, they were guaranteed one, which means that would be given before the non-seeded skaters got a second one.

Yest, that'0s what I was trying to say. If Gubanova had been submited then no way would Konstantinova would have gotten 2 before Nastia getting 1.
 

SamuraiK

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Thanks for putting this together. :)

Pairs looks a little off, though.

PRK RYOM & KIM (COC)
RUS EFIMOVA & KOROVIN (COC)
CAN WALSH & MICHAUD (RC)
USA CALALANG & JOHNSON (SC)
CHN Tang/Yang (SC)
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA)
RUS Poluianova/Sopot (he aged out of jrs) (none)
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA)
ITA GHILARDI & AMBROSINI (RC)
USA Feng/Nyman (she aged out of jrs) (none)
USA Lockley/Prochnow (he aged out of jrs) (none)

USA LU & MITROFANOV (RC)
RUS Kudriavtseva/Spiridonov (he aged out of jrs) (none)
CRO PETRANOVIC & SOUZA-KORDEIRU (none)
GBR JONES & BOYADJI (none)

Some of the junior teams may have split, but some of them are still together and could be chosen.
Thanks..
for Tang/Yang given their ages I assumed they stay juniors and dint notice they already got SC.

So Pairs would be:


PRK RYOM & KIM (COC)
RUS EFIMOVA & KOROVIN (COC)
CAN WALSH & MICHAUD (RC)
USA CALALANG & JOHNSON (SC)
CHN TANG/YANG (SC)
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA)
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA)
ITA GHILARDI & AMBROSINI (RC)
USA FENG/NYMAN (none)
USA LOCKLEY /PROCHNOW (none)
 
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Ka3sha

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Yest, that'0s what I was trying to say. If Gubanova had been submited then no way would Konstantinova would have gotten 2 before Nastia getting 1.
AFAIU, Konstantinova could have gotten a host spot at Rostelecom Cup as her second event :confused:
Russian Fed usually names host spots based on Nationals Results (and Stasia was 4th there), also she could have benefitted from being in the top-24 on the season best list and in the top-24 on the worlds standings list.
 

SamuraiK

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AFAIU, Konstantinova could have gotten a host spot at Rostelecom Cup as her second event :confused:
Russian Fed usually chooses host spots based on Nationals Results (and Stasia was 4th there), also she could have benefitted from being in the top-24 on the season best list and in the top-24 on the worlds standings list.
Oh right, Stasia is at RC so yeah, they likely saved her giving her the host spot.
 

kwanfan1818

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also she could have benefitted from being in the top-24 on the season best list and in the top-24 on the worlds standings list.
That doesn't give anyone additional guaranteed spots, ie, one spot for each.

From everything we've been told, host spots are either first or second after Worlds 1-3 select their events. (This is not in the documentation.). The documentations list host spots later in the selection criteria, which doesn't necessarily mean sequence.

If host spots come before SB selections, then no other host was obligated to give someone guaranteed one spot a second spot. Sometimes hosts seem to play a TBD game to force other Feds to assign a guaranteed spot, and later they give them the TBD spot.

It seems like they can add people for consideration after the initial selection, based on past practices. It may be possible for Gubanova, for example, to sub in as an alternate, if one of the assigned Russian Ladies has to WD.
 

AngieNikodinovLove

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Feng and Nyman are the obvious pick for skate America
I WISH SkAm woulda already chosen them... D&F woulda got 2 anyway.... and if not then work to get the TBD.

then SkAm coulda maybe slid in L&P to SkAm as well.

D&F have had chances and More than enough SkAms.

I guess ANL has to practice the tough love since USFSA isnt in the business of it. lol
 

misskarne

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Team Australia is about what I expected. One day Brendan will get two assignments in the first round, but it is not this day. Katia and Harley just missed too many events last year to get two. And Kailani's season didn't go well enough. That's fine.

Happy for Jason at SkAm and NHK, which seem to be two of his favourite events, even though he often has terrible luck at NHK. Hoping it goes better for him this time.
 

essence_of_soy

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Nice that Australia got some Grand Prix love.

A little baffled however, that the team of Lubov Ilyushechkina/Charlie Bilodeau, who have yet to compete and are theoretically unranked, received two assignments over Alexandrovskaya's and Windsor's one.
 

Colonel Green

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Nice that Australia got some Grand Prix love.

A little baffled however, that the team of Lubov Ilyushechkina/Charlie Bilodeau, who have yet to compete and are theoretically unranked, received two assignments over Alexandrovskaya's and Windsor's one.
They were eligible for one as a split/returning team (based on Liubov having placed sixth at Worlds with Dylan in 2017), and Skate Canada gave them a second spot as a host pick. Otherwise they'd just have one.

One of the privileges of skating for a host federation.
 

kwanfan1818

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We think that I/B's show that split couples with at least one partner having placed 1-6 with a former partner can have that result from at least three seasons back. I/M were 6th at 2017 Worlds.

The rules aren't in the Announcement, but, both return skaters and returning split couples, placing 7-12, have to have the results with the last two Worlds since they last competed/last two seasons, while comeback skaters, who placed 1-6 have 10 seasons. Split couples appear to have more years as well.
 

essence_of_soy

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We think that I/B's show that split couples with at least one partner having placed 1-6 with a former partner can have that result from at least three seasons back. I/M were 6th at 2017 Worlds.

The rules aren't in the Announcement, but, both return skaters and returning split couples, placing 7-12, have to have the results with the last two Worlds since they last competed/last two seasons, while comeback skaters, who placed 1-6 have 10 seasons. Split couples appear to have more years as well.
Thank you for detailing that for me.
 

Gusmom

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Can someone explain why no US dance teams at Rostelcom? I know there is no obligation but odd?
 

haribobo

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statistics, it's not that big a deal...if Nguyen/kolesnik moved up then there would probably be a US team in Russia
 

Josh78

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The rules aren't in the Announcement
Every year more and more there seem to be so many situations and choices that come down to a free-wheeling interpretation of "rules" that somehow aren't spelled out definitively and feds just seem more and more willing to take advantage of this and "screw" other feds potentially by doing so. Can it really be THAT hard to get some of these rules written in clear definitive language so we're not all scratching our heads trying to figure out by what rule/fed whim not actually a real rule choices are being made? Or does the ISU not want to handcuff the feds by actually governing their constituent bodies?
 

mackiecat

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Every year more and more there seem to be so many situations and choices that come down to a free-wheeling interpretation of "rules" that somehow aren't spelled out definitively and feds just seem more and more willing to take advantage of this and "screw" other feds potentially by doing so. Can it really be THAT hard to get some of these rules written in clear definitive language so we're not all scratching our heads trying to figure out by what rule/fed whim not actually a real rule choices are being made? Or does the ISU not want to handcuff the feds by actually governing their constituent bodies?
Yes it is. Under section 2 comeback skaters
 

barbarafan

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They were eligible for one as a split/returning team (based on Liubov having placed sixth at Worlds with Dylan in 2017), and Skate Canada gave them a second spot as a host pick. Otherwise they'd just have one.

One of the privileges of skating for a host federation.
I suppose they could be invited to Japan.....does Japan have any pairs?
 

kwanfan1818

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Otherwise they'd just have one.

One of the privileges of skating for a host federation.
Only Gold, as a comeback skater, received one. All split couples have received two. They all placed 1-6, which Ilyushechkina did with Moscovitch.

It's the 7-12 skaters/teams who are more dependent on a host pick for their second.

But Skate Canada would have been stupid not to invite them to Kelowna: there's likely more interest, or at least equal interest in them than any other Pair.

Split Couples, who placed 1-6 at prior Worlds, though, are missing entirely be and have been since after year 1, when they were added to the top of the alternates list.
 

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