The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Miloune said:
The FFSG just posted on Facebook that Marie-Jade has been granted French citizenship at last :)
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I am glad. We should have a real fight at Europeans then.

Results from last season & this season:

Abachkina & Thauron:
2016 JGP St. Gervais-1st
2016 JGP Japan-3rd
2016 JGPF-5th
2017 Junior Worlds-8th
2017 Ondrej Nepela-5th
2017 Cup of Nice-4th
2017 Cup of China-8th
2017 Internationaux de France-6th
2018 French Nationals-3rd

Lauriault & Le Gac:
2016 Autumn Classic-5th
2016 Cup of Nice-1st
2016 Trophee de France-6th
2016 NHK Trophy-6th
2017 French Nationals-2nd
2017 Europeans-12th
2017 Words-21st (didn't qualify for the FD)
2017 Autumn Classic-6th
2017 Cup of Nice-3rd
2017 Rostelecom Cup-8th
2017 NHK Trophy-8th
2018 French Nationals-2nd

How close are these two teams internationally?

Europeans should answer that question; but there are a lot of indications that they are close. Both finished 5th at a JGPF. Both finished 8th at a Junior Worlds. The last time they competed head-to-head in a major international competition was the 2016 Junior Worlds in which Abachkina & Thauron finished 7th and Lauriault & Le Gac finished 8th. (That's a bit misleading also as L&L had the stronger season that year, then botched the twizzles during the FD at Junior Worlds). Both teams finished 6th at home on the GP. Both finished 8th away from home on the GP.

Since the 2016 Junior Worlds, they have met head-to-head twice. This fall at Cup of Nice, where Abachkina & Thauron finished ahead in the SD and Lauriault & Le Gac finished ahead overall & in the FD. Then at French Nationals where both teams were essentially tied (0.07 apart) after the SD before A&T fell in the FD. Lauriault & Le Gac have the current ISU Season's Best score, 2.07 above Abachkina & Thauron. (L&LG are 26th on the SB list to A&T's 28th). Lauriault & Le Gac have the higher SD season's best. Abachkina & Thauron have the higher FD season's best. (A&T's was earned skating at home).

Vehicle-wise, I would maybe give the edge to L&LG in the SD; but I would give it to A&T in the FD if they skate clean. I tend to agree that L&LG are the favorites based on coming out ahead in Nice & at French Nationals. But Europeans are in Russia. A different result there could certainly tip the balance. Looking forward to the battle!
 
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Olympic Tech Panel for Ice Dance :

Referee: Ingrid-Charlotte WOLTER (GER)
Technical Controller: Hilary SELBY (GBR)
Technical Specialist and Assistant Technical Specialist: Slavka GRINCOVA (SVK), Tae-Hwa YANG (KOR)

This is the exact same Panel that judged Nebelhorn Trophy

Source : https://goldenskate.com/forum/showt...-Tech-Panels-and-Judges&p=1902502#post1902502

In the link, you'll find the list of judges too (the judges for the Dance will be picked by draw right before the event I presume).

The assessment comission for Ice Dance: David MOLINA (FRA), Janis ENGEL (USA)
 
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Anyasnake said:
Olympic Tech Panel for Ice Dance :

Referee: Ingrid-Charlotte WOLTER (GER)
Technical Controller: Hilary SELBY (GBR)
Technical Specialist and Assistant Technical Specialist: Slavka GRINCOVA (SVK), Tae-Hwa YANG (KOR)

This is the exact same Panel that judged Nebelhorn Trophy

Source : https://goldenskate.com/forum/showt...-Tech-Panels-and-Judges&p=1902502#post1902502

In the link, you'll find the list of judges too (the judges for the Dance will be picked by draw right before the event I presume).

The assessment comission for Ice Dance: David MOLINA (FRA), Janis ENGEL (USA)
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ok, who is Slavka Grincova? Does anyone know what recent competitions he/she participated in?
 
chapis said:
ok, who is Slavka Grincova? Does anyone know what recent competitions he/she participated in?
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Cup of China this year. I'll try to find more. EDIT : Nepela Trophy this year too (TS).
Hilary Selby was the TC at worlds 2016 (IIRC, prevented a Dostatni takeover :D). Tae-Hwa Yang I don't know except TS at the Shanghai Trophy this year.
 
chapis said:
ok, who is Slavka Grincova? Does anyone know what recent competitions he/she participated in?
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Anyasnake said:
Cup of China this year. I'll try to find more. EDIT : Nepela Trophy this year too (TS).
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She did the Czech JGP last season also. And was the assistant tech specialist at last year's Junior Worlds, this year's Belarus Challenger, and at the 2016 Europeans.

There is an article in Slovak with quotes from her following that Europeans--which were held in Slovakia--here:
https://kosice.korzar.sme.sk/c/8136...rovstvach-europy-nechavala-oci-na-muzoch.html
 
Going to senior dance practice at U.S. Nationals this morning!

Watching the novice dance event this week has been a kick. All these high-powered coaches in the rink yesterday with young novice dance teams. I've never seen anything like this at the novice level before at Nationals. Upon a rare occasion, you'd see Igor down with a young novice team. But everybody has a novice team this year. We had Marina, Massimo, and Anjelika all standing in a row waiting for their young teams yesterday. Plus John Kerr, Ben Agosto, Zuerlein, and of course, Kiliakov. (Novak and Shpilband in the stands). Everyone is packed so tightly together in the small rink that if feels like you're always within a few feet from somebody.
 
@Dobre looking forward to your reports!

I don't think we discussed this earlier, but for Sr US nationals I think the silver medal will be important too - will that be the second team chosen for the Olympics team event (if US goes with 2 dance teams, which makes sense)
 
Hubbell/Donohue have a good draw going after Chock/Bates. Shibs have an excellent draw, though.
Barring disaster (no jinx), I predict after the SD : 1.Shibs 2.H/D 3.C/B. Of course, the 3 could zamboni their programs out, they'll still go to the Olympics. Here it's about placement because the one that comes out on top is going to be the huge favourite for the Olympic medal (I still have some reserve because I want to see Europeans but it's a realistic thing to say - seeing placement of the season if US teams are 3,4,5 at Olys it won't be a surprise at all).
Funny how top 3 and Hawayek/Baker aren't all in the final flight though.
I don't remember a US nationals in Ice Dance being that exciting :cheer2:
 
levineismine said:
@Dobre looking forward to your reports!
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Lots of fun! I love watching practice. No one loses;).

Several teams not there yet this morning: Hubbell & Donohue, Biechler & Dodge, and Manta & Johnson. Mom says there was a security scare at the San Jose airport & it was shut down for a while yesterday so that may have delayed some people, or they just didn't plan to come until later in the week.

First group:
Aldridge & Eaton started off their run-through w/good speed & attack. Then fell out of the opening lift.

The Parsons looked good except that he mucked up the twizzles yet again.

The poor girl in the brand new team (the one that took a bye at Pacific sectionals) looked like she would really like to go home. Maybe not feeling well?

Second group:
This was the only group with five teams scheduled for it & naturally the only group in which everyone showed up.

-Chock & Bates look good. Used their FD music & didn't do too much during the run-through. Either I missed the twizzles or they didn't practice them. (It was hard to watch everything in this group with so many teams). C&B worked on the SD a bit at the end, which I thought was entertaining in all their serious garb with the more effusive Latin choreo.

-McNamara & Carpenter also skated their FD. Ran through a lot throughout the practice and looked confident. Have changed the dance spin again--I think back to an older version. I really liked the low position in the new one for this season. (Gosh darn it with technical callers dinging original elements). Also worked on the SD at the end, and again--pretty fun to see the effusive mambo choreo with Lorraine in her black tango dress.

-Hawayek & Baker. Couple small glitches during the opening of the SD runthrough, but got the twizzles--which is really what they need to pump up that short dance score from where it has been thus far this season. The young teams--H&B, M&C, the Parsons, P&B--they all hold their own on the rink. Good speed for the lot of them.

-Klopstock & Schedl. Were having a good time & looked like they were enjoying themselves prior to heading out on the ice, but a lot more nervous on the ice. Cannuscio & McManus are coaching them here--also looked like they were having a good time.

-Reynolds. They have some original elements and looked to be having a good time.

This practice was a little scary, with so many teams zipping around and K&S and the Reynolds--I think--not as used to it as the other teams in the group.


Group 3

Pogrebinsky & Benoit ran through the FD. I do think this program feels like more of a whole than their program from last season.

The Shibs look great. Mostly just warmed up--I do think they look faster than previously. Then ran through everything during the run-through except the twizzles & first half of the final footwork sequence. Then went through the twizzles. Then did the first half of the footwork sequence. Then one footwork sequence from the free.

And that was the morning practice. Such a terrific field of dancers. I hope everyone skates great in competition and that the best rise to the top because it's an amazing field of athletes--different and unique from one another.
 
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Why are W/P in NY? For some time now I've seen them post pictures in NY. Are Morozov and Anabelle there too? I thought they trained in Russia.
 
chapis, from what I have read, Morozov is living and coaching both in Russia and USA in turns, so his skaters must relocate (for a short time) together with him.
 
chapis said:
oh, thanks. It does not seem like a great idea IMO.
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It depends on how you look at it. There are certain advantages while they are training in Russia...I think they have a lot of ice access there. From things Kaitlyn and Andrew have said they stay in dorms and on their ISU bio they had 50hrs a week training. You can't knock that. I am sure there may be drawbacks as well but certainly they seem to be stronger and more resilient now.
 
Weaver and Poje are now permanently based in New Jersey. They have adjusted their ISU bio to remove Russia as a training location and they have trained basically the whole season in Hackensack, New Jersey without interruption.

I think the original plan was mostly revolved around accommodating Morozov's wife's university studies and training. But now that she has retired, that is not as much of priority I guess. From what I can gather, Annabelle and Andrei Bagin train with other coaches during the time they are in Russia (or at least Weaver/Poje aren't there and are looked after by their coaching team in Hackensack).
 
starrynight said:
Weaver and Poje are now permanently based in New Jersey. They have adjusted their ISU bio to remove Russia as a training location and they have trained basically the whole season in Hackensack, New Jersey without interruption.

I think the original plan was mostly revolved around accommodating Morozov's wife's university studies and training. But now that she has retired, that is not as much of priority I guess. From what I can gather, Annabelle and Andrei Bagin train with other coaches during the time they are in Russia (or at least Weaver/Poje aren't there and are looked after by their coaching team in Hackensack).
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So Morozov is permanently based in New Jersey too?
 
No idea about Morozov. I think he goes back and forth a bit for choreography and other things. A recent article with Brendan Kerry said that Kerry and Morozov were together in Moscow for a period (even though it may have been short).
https://www.ifsmagazine.com/brendan-kerry-makes-coaching-change/

There's a full team of coaches in Hackensack, so it's certainly possible for Weaver/Poje to continue training their under their direction while Morozov goes to Russia for short trips (a bit like how I doubt Igor or Marina are around their rinks all that much during the GP seasons). Certainly easier than following him back and forth.

But the main skaters coached by Morozov are Weaver/Poje and Brendan Kerry and the New Jersey training location suits them best, so it's not surprising training has centred itself there this season.

I know Weaver/Poje say they very much like living in New York, so I am not surprised that they got tired of having to leave their apartment empty all the time to sit in dormitories in Russia.
 
Us Nats :

1.Shibs 82.33
2.H/D 79.10
3.C/B 77.61
4.H/B 73.18
5.Parsons 72.69

H/D had a twizzle mistake (lvl3), rumba lvl3 (?),Pst3, Shibs have a lvl3 pattern otherwise everything lvl4. C/B pattern 4 and the 2 step sequences are lvl 3.
PCS 38+ for H/D and Shibs, 37 for C/B.
Many levels lost in the competitions.

Protocols :
http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2018/26192/SEGM037.html
 
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starrynight said:
No idea about Morozov. I think he goes back and forth a bit for choreography and other things. A recent article with Brendan Kerry said that Kerry and Morozov were together in Moscow for a period (even though it may have been short).
https://www.ifsmagazine.com/brendan-kerry-makes-coaching-change/

There's a full team of coaches in Hackensack, so it's certainly possible for Weaver/Poje to continue training their under their direction while Morozov goes to Russia for short trips (a bit like how I doubt Igor or Marina are around their rinks all that much during the GP seasons). Certainly easier than following him back and forth.

But the main skaters coached by Morozov are Weaver/Poje and Brendan Kerry and the New Jersey training location suits them best, so it's not surprising training has centred itself there this season.

I know Weaver/Poje say they very much like living in New York, so I am not surprised that they got tired of having to leave their apartment empty all the time to sit in dormitories in Russia.
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Who are the other coaches in Hackensack?
 
starrynight said:
Weaver and Poje are now permanently based in New Jersey. They have adjusted their ISU bio to remove Russia as a training location and they have trained basically the whole season in Hackensack, New Jersey without interruption.
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Okay, thanks for the correction/explanation.

legjumper said:
Glad to see Chock/Bates rewarded for their rhumba pattern. In the arena it was the biggest and edgy-est. :)
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It was not rewarded so well in the GOE, though (where such things are normally rewarded). Both Shibutanis and Hubbell/Donohue received a considerably higher GOE for their patterns.

Also, what you are saying is a bit of a surprise as on TV/video both Shibutanis and H/D's patterns look bigger than C/B's. I know that the impression on TV is often different than live, though.
 
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Lara111 said:
I liked H/D much better then S/S. They are more impressive in person.
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H/D got power, Shibs have precision. All level 4 but the pattern (again !), and all the step sequence were level 4 in their GPF SD too, if I recall well. Very promising for them to be in the 80s range for their SD in the Olympics.
 
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