The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Zazy said:
I feel like people should either be judges or technical specialists/controllers, not both.

David Molina was a judge at COC last week and he was working for the French federation, trying to advance their interests. Now the very next week he's on the tech panel where he's supposed to be neutral and working for the ISU.
How can he switch from one to the other like that? If nothing else, the optics are terrible.
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Please, have faith in humans ;)
 
David Molina is friends with Marie france Dubreuil he is close to all the Gadbois people, sure he may have a bias for Pap/Ciz but I don't think he would deliberately try to lowball Virtue and Moir if they skate well, plus the controller does not assign the levels , the tech specialist does along with help from the assistant , the controller only steps in if there is disagreement between the two.
 
This needs more mileage :shuffle:
But I kinda liked their take on the female partner stands on legs of male partner in spread eagle position lift that everyone is doing.
 
PashaFan said:
Don't quite get the negativity. It's not the most original program in the world but Ilinykh looks a lot happier & lighter skating this than in her previous partnership. I enjoyed watching it.
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She may actually look happier skating with Anton as they are a pair off-ice but his skating...
He is worse than most of the top junior skaters, he skates on two feet most of the time (and still makes mistakes), she has to literally stop and wait for him at times, it's just painful to watch :shuffle:
 
Stepanova & Bukin are a young team pushing the technical limits. I do see them climbing the ranks, but not making dramatic headway until after the Olympic turnover.

Bobrova & Soloviev have done their job this quadrennium, demonstrating they can bring in the consistent international scores outside of Russia. It took them a season to prove it after the injury, but I think they've done it.

The top ten is still a big fight this season, with yet another team stepping back into competition. S&B have the advantage of taking on Coomes & Buckland at Europeans in Russia. And I do think it's plausible for Stepanova & Bukin to best Gilles & Poirier outside of Russia, though it will be worth watching. Beyond that, S&B have work to do. They would need a win over a team with a World medal.

Until they get one--preferably somewhere outside of Russia--I don't see them in the top-five discussion yet. I also don't see any limits for how high S&B could climb within the next two seasons. Really depends a lot on who gets out and how much S&B develop as a team. I just think the disappearance of 3-7 top eight dance teams would do a great deal to generate strong momentum for this young Russian team. (Though there are a bunch of young teams I think could catch them four years down the road).
 
Dobre said:
I just think the disappearance of 3-7 top eight dance teams would do a great deal to generate strong momentum for this young Russian team. (Though there are a bunch of young teams I think could catch them four years down the road).
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But who is going to leave expect Virtue/Moir, Cappellini/Lanotte (I assume) and Bobrova/Soloviev ?
P/C will continue. Chances are the 3 US teams too (Don't know about Shibs yet though). I don't see Weaver/Poje leaving yet, Gilles/Poirier may want another Olympics. Coomes/Buckland may want to catch up what they couldn't do (injuries). And the Danes will continue, their goal is getting Danish citizeship for Laurence for 2022.
P/C, H/D, Step/Bukin, Danes, Shibs, WeaPo and Ch/Ba could definitely be top 7 for me. And Hawayek/Baker could find where they stand too.
Then younger teams... Shpilevaya/Smirnov from Russia definitely.
 
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GreenGan said:
How ? (Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see it at all)
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Sit twizzles!?!

For a future they must get the best coaching. Why can’t they be like p/c and go to dubreuil?

Dobre said:
Stepanova & Bukin are a young team pushing the technical limits. I do see them climbing the ranks, but not making dramatic headway until after the Olympic turnover.

Bobrova & Soloviev have done their job this quadrennium, demonstrating they can bring in the consistent international scores outside of Russia. It took them a season to prove it after the injury, but I think they've done it.

The top ten is still a big fight this season, with yet another team stepping back into competition. S&B have the advantage of taking on Coomes & Buckland at Europeans in Russia. And I do think it's plausible for Stepanova & Bukin to best Gilles & Poirier outside of Russia, though it will be worth watching. Beyond that, S&B have work to do. They would need a win over a team with a World medal.

Until they get one--preferably somewhere outside of Russia--I don't see them in the top-five discussion yet. I also don't see any limits for how high S&B could climb within the next two seasons. Really depends a lot on who gets out and how much S&B develop as a team. I just think the disappearance of 3-7 top eight dance teams would do a great deal to generate strong momentum for this young Russian team. (Though there are a bunch of young teams I think could catch them four years down the road).
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It would be nice if they moved passed development coaching to a real finishing coach. And maybe they would suggest Bukin dump Stepanova?

B/s had no gpf medals. For the whole four years since Sochi they were about the death of Russian ice dance. That culminated in their 8th place short dance and worst ever showing for a number one russia team at pre Olympic worlds.
 
Yehudi said:
Probably because the partner really looks like he is going to die by the middle of the program. He could barely even get through the short dance.
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I'm a huge fan of Elena & are just hoping she is enjoying her skating again. For me the results are not important right now. I just wish her luck.
 
caseyedwards said:
Sit twizzles!?!

For a future they must get the best coaching. Why can’t they be like p/c and go to dubreuil?
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Sit twizzles is so little for "pushing the technical limits". And it's more something the coach came with, as there are several other couple trained by them who did sit twizzles too.
I don't see them going to Dubreuil, they did get better score thanks to their coach, and I don't think their Fed will watch that move with a keen eye.. (And they got technically better IMO, even though they are not as good as the top 6/7 team technically).

Anyasnake said:
I don't see Weaver/Poje leaving yet,
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I don't see them continuing after. They had a chance when V/M retired and didn't get the gold. I feel like Andrew wasn't really into it last season, and was skating just because of the Olympics. Will they still have motivation after ? Also Je suis Malade this year feels like a last season goodbye program which they loved and the public loved. "Leaving with a boom", and maybe an Olympic bronze.
 
GreenGan said:
Sit twizzles is so little for "pushing the technical limits". And it's more something the coach came with, as there are several other couple trained by them who did sit twizzles too.
I don't see them going to Dubreuil, they did get better score thanks to their coach, and I don't think their Fed will watch that move with a keen eye.. (And they got technically better IMO, even though they are not as good as the top 6/7 team technically).


I don't see them continuing after. They had a chance when V/M retired and didn't get the gold. I feel like Andrew wasn't really into it last season, and was skating just because of the Olympics. Will they still have motivation after ? Also Je suis Malade this year feels like a last season goodbye program which they loved and the public loved. "Leaving with a boom", and maybe an Olympic bronze.
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W/P did say something about using Spartacus later, which could just be for shows or as an ex, but did make me wonder a little.
 
I believe the young Lithuanian dance team of Damuleviciute & Kizala just earned their senior Olympic minimum TES scores at the Volvo Open Cup. (I'd assume this means they could go to the Olympics if a country drops out and Reed & Ambrulevicius cannot go due to citizenship).

Sad Tobias & Tkachenko are out of NHK.

Happy Coomes & Buckland are in NHK.

Anyasnake said:
But who is going to leave expect Virtue/Moir, Cappellini/Lanotte (I assume) and Bobrova/Soloviev?
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Don't know. Big mystery.

Not sure all the teams know. Think some may wait until after the Olympics & Worlds to decide. Or after the next Worlds. Or even the next. In general, I find it unwise to assume a dance team will get out.
 
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I'm interested to see how this weekend goes for Virtue and Moir. I wouldn't call it ideal that the 2 ice dance judges the French federation sends to judge for Papadakis and Cizeron the most often, are both here at NHK in different capacities (technical panel and judging panel). I'm sure there won't be an objection from the TC if either the TS or ATS felt a level 3 step sequence was warranted. :p I'm also curious to see if history holds true for the lower skating skills component that the same French and Italian judges at NHK have given Virtue and Moir in the past (France 9.00 at Helsinki Worlds SD, Italy 9.25 Autumn Classic SD, 9.00 Autumn Classic FD, 9.00 SC SD 2016, 9.00 SC FD 2016). At least the Italian judge has shown a willingness to come up on the other components. I'm guessing the French judge won't quite so much, since she found it difficult to get to 9.50 for the highest scoring SD in history last year. ;)
 
does anyone know who would be in the next group of 5 to be up for a gp in dance if another team drops out
 
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