I, Tonya

[jenniferlyon]

You are right.

I wish I was able to find a source for my assumption because I think I saw an interview that said Tonya was reasonably connected to the project.

If you're able to find anything, post it here because I would like to know.

 

[jenniferlyon]

But that extra layer of hardship exists.

A male skater with a background similar to Tonya wouldn't have been in the exact same situation as Tonya. Men is FS have a lot more freedom to be athletic and powerful than women do, hence more freedom in general. It was only last year when Gabbie Daleman said in an interview that she used to be embarrassed of her biceps and want to hide them.

If the male skater was straight and macho, the powers-that-be would have been falling all over themselves to promote him. His transgressions would have been covered up, forgiven, forgotten. Many times, I heard that the powers-that-be overlooked a lot of Christopher Bowman's "bad boy" behavior because he fit the image they were trying to promote. So a hypothetical straight macho male skater with a background similar to Tonya's would probably receive the same treatment. But if he was an effeminate gay male from the proverbial trailer park (i.e. Rudy Galindo), then no.

 

[Inessence]

I saw an interview from the TIFF screening somewhere online where the writer of the script wanted to contact Tonya directly to acquire her life rights. No idea what kind of deal they struck, but he either dealt with her or her agent.

 

[Japanfan]

I wonder how the reaction to skatepixie's comments would change if she replies "i am from the Middle East"...

It would depend where in the Middle East. It could be country where alcohol is not allowed, or women not allowed in public places where men drink.

But if alcohol were permitted, why wouldn't women drink beer? It's a refreshing beverage.

Regarding "drinking beer to be cool"... Skatepixie is not incorrect to think that some do it to be "cool"..... in the geographic areas where traditions are to serve at social events "beer and hard liquor for men" and "wine & champagne for women", younger women do try to "drink beer/vodka and puff on a cigarette" to defile the "restrictive adults"...

And those geographic areas would be where?

Here are few bits which maybe interesting. Beer-making (and drinking) historically is "woman's territory"...
Beer-making started over 4000+ years ago, in the Near East Regions (current Jordan, Israel, Egypt, etc).
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/3fcfd664a...tian-tomb-model-cairo-museum-egypt-d96by3.jpg
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...ent/uploads/Egyptian-woman-painting_Beer2.jpg

Fermented beverages (beer is one such) were the regular drinks consumed by an average family of those days. Women, along with all other house chores and cooking, brewed, served and drank beer on daily basis. There were "sleeping beers" used a sedatives, "menstrual cycle" and "pregnancy/birth" beers used as pain killers, beers for "energy to do the house work", beers for few other normal functions, including laxatives, and various "ceremonial beers" for all types of women's roles specially for women: mother's beer, bride's beer, guest's beer, midwife's beer, etc.... ...

Beer and other alcohol beverages were particularly popular when water wasn't potable, so of course women would have drunk beer.

 

[Sylvia]

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/i-tonya-craig-gillespie-interview-harding-contributions-1201874755/

Much of that portrait is owed squarely to Harding herself who, along with ex-husband Jeff Gillooly (played in the film by Sebastian Stan, a meaty role for the rising star), participated in hours of interviews with screenwriter Steven Rogers. What emerges is a funny and flinty look at the embattled ice princess that doesn’t skimp on the gory details, including Harding’s abuse at the hands of both Gillooly and her own mother (played by Allison Janney). But it’s also a compelling look inside one of America’s first stories of the 24-hour news cycle, one that has been writ large (and often incorrectly) for over two decades.

“[Steven] did a six-hour interview with Tonya,” Gillespie told IndieWire at the festival. “He watched the documentary [‘The Price of Gold’], he tracked her down, he went up there, they met. This is her interview, which is why these stories feel so spontaneous and personal and bizarre.”
Harding’s voice and point of view is prevalent throughout the film, which includes multiple documentary-style talking head “interviews,” also filmed by Gillespie. He and Robbie met with Harding for just a couple of hours during production, while only Stan spent extra time with Gillooly, whose current-day portrayal makes clear that all he wants to do is put it behind him.

 

[Japanfan]

If the male skater was straight and macho, the powers-that-be would have been falling all over themselves to promote him. His transgressions would have been covered up, forgiven, forgotten. Many times, I heard that the powers-that-be overlooked a lot of Christopher Bowman's "bad boy" behavior because he fit the image they were trying to promote. So a hypothetical straight macho male skater with a background similar to Tonya's would probably receive the same treatment. But if he was an effeminate gay male from the proverbial trailer park (i.e. Rudy Galindo), then no.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. If the powers-that-be would have fallen all over themselves to promote the bad boy behaviour, then he wouldn't have been treated the same as Tonya.

 

[VGThuy]

My hypo was mostly about public reaction to the domestic violence committed post-whack.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. If the powers-that-be would have fallen all over themselves to promote the bad boy behaviour, then he wouldn't have been treated the same as Tonya.

Because he was a macho skater, the original poster said the USFSA overlooked Bowman's bad boy behaviour.

 

[MacMadame]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. If the powers-that-be would have fallen all over themselves to promote the bad boy behaviour, then he wouldn't have been treated the same as Tonya.

It's Christopher Bowman who is the object of "the same" here, not Harding. Which makes more sense...

 

[jenniferlyon]

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. If the powers-that-be would have fallen all over themselves to promote the bad boy behaviour, then he wouldn't have been treated the same as Tonya.

That is the point I was trying to make, that there is a double standard. It would have been perfectly fine with the powers-that-be if "Tony" Harding had smoked cigarettes, used crude language, hung around with his old pals from the trailer park, didn't know how to dress, and copped an attitude. As long as he didn't corrupt some sweet young ice princess (and as long as he wasn't looking for an ice prince), he could do pretty much whatever he wanted.

 

[Japanfan]

I live in NorCal and have since '94 and I call BS on this.

For one thing, every company I've worked for has had Happy Hours on Friday where beer is served and nobody questions whether women will drink it. Nor have I been on a tour where women were offered wine because of course women don't drink beer!

I drank beer in Mendocino, Northern California. Though not a lot, as excellent wines were available at a much lower cost than wine in Canada, and American beer tends to be more watery and less flavorful than Canadian beer.

 

[skatepixie]

I drank beer in Mendocino, Northern California. Though not a lot, as excellent wines were available at a much lower cost than wine in Canada, and American beer tends to be more watery and less flavorful than Canadian beer.

I think that's a good chunk of it. Decent wine is so inexpensive that plenty of people don't bother with beer, and especially didn't in the '80s, '90s, and early '00s when I lived there. And not drinking beer is still not uncommon.

Now, with the microbrews being trendy, it is starting to change. But even my dad almost never drank beer when I was a kid (he'd have Bohemia with tacos). Now he drinks the microbrew stuff -- but when I was growing up, no.

 

[antmanb]

I think that's a good chunk of it. Decent wine is so inexpensive that plenty of people don't bother with beer, and especially didn't in the '80s, '90s, and early '00s when I lived there. And not drinking beer is still not uncommon.

So you're 29, from Northern Italy and Orange County but lived in California and were old enough to discern drinking habits in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s...something does not add up here

 

[skatepixie]

So you're 29, from Northern Italy and Orange County but lived in California and were old enough to discern drinking habits in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s...something does not add up here

Orange County is in California. Never been to the Florida one, promise. I'm not well traveled in the US.

As an adult, I've jumped around a bit between Northern and Southern CA and visited family in Italy a lot -- grew up in a fairly insular Italian social circle in Northern CA. Really and truly never saw a woman drink beer "in the flesh" until I was 19. '90s I remember clearly -- Italian kids aren't sheltered from booze. Heck, I've had 12-year-olds serve me wine in a restaurant in Italy -- family owned, no one cares. As for the '80s, I've been told plenty, obviously -- same deal, pre-microbrew trend, not much beer drinking and almost never by women. As Japanfan noticed -- good wine is cheap, American beer is (apparently, so I've been told) lousy.

You get shaped by the trends of the time when you "learn to drink," I guess. I'll always look at beer as lower class, and microbrew as a bit like trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. And a bit strange for women to drink it, although plenty of the younger women on my husband's side of the family think otherwise.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I was the bad boy of the world egg and spoon racing circuit. I did things with utensils Uri Geller could only dream about.

 

[MacMadame]

I drank beer in Mendocino, Northern California.

I never said there is no beer in Mendocino. I said I've never been on a winery tour where the menu included beer. If you go to a winery, they serve the wine they make.

 

[Theoreticalgirl]

An expanded trailer for the film is up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbTLdDHRvs&feature=youtu.be

This trailer does a good job of showcasing its key points. I don't really want to comment much further but having seen it: enjoy it as a guilty or intentional pleasure, as it is intended to be a black comedy. Overall, it's paced well, and the production really nails the 80s/90s aesthetic more or less. I loved the way the saturated tones of the film looked on the big screen. It is well deserving of the accolades.

 

[skatesindreams]

There was a feature about the film on "Entertainment Tonight" yesterday.
Well received, and mostly favorable/sympathetic to Tonya.

Margot Robbie and Tonya apparently communicated throughout the filming.

 

[VGThuy]

That trailer seems to be a showcase for Allison Janey. The distributor knows she can get an Oscar nomination for it. Sebastian Stan looks great.

 

[lmarie086]

The movie looks fantastic; I can't wait to see it!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Woaaaaaaa.. trailer looks awesome, funny, brutal and raw..

Do you think Tonya really said (is it to a judge?) suck my d*ck??????

Costume replication looks spot on.

Has anyone ever read this book?

 

[skatesindreams]

Given the attitude she displayed from time to time; it isn't unlikely, IMO.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Heres another version of the trailer thats slightly different and cleaner.

Tonya did take some ballet training...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2iy5y0YjGM

 

[Vagabond]

Heres another version of the trailer thats slightly different and cleaner.

That's like Hamlet without the Prince.

 

[VGThuy]

Do you think Tonya really said (is it to a judge?) suck my d*ck??????

I really doubt she did it right then and there while a competition was still going on with people in the stands. As to whether she ever did it, who knows?

 

[Winnipeg]

IS Tonya getting paid for the use of her story?

 

[Tinami Amori]

IS Tonya getting paid for the use of her story?

Check earlier pages of this topic, i think it was discussed then (do not remember myself, but i think a story like this does not require payments to the subject of the story).

 

[MacMadame]

Yes, it was discussed. It seems likely from some things said in interviews but it hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.

 

[jenniferlyon]

I never would have recognized Allison Janney!

 

[skatesindreams]

It seems likely from some things said in interviews but it hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.

I doubt that Tonya would "cooperate", unless she were.