U.S. Ice Dance 2017/18 season news & updates

mollymgr said:
Dance news- Charlotte Maxwell/Ryan Devereaux announced their retirement today [June 30].
http://www.ice-dance.com/site/maxwell-devereaux-announce-retirement/
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Best wishes to Charlotte and Ryan! Charlotte posted this retirement message on her Instagram on June 29 and several skaters posted nice comments: https://www.instagram.com/p/BV7oLauDWUm/?taken-by=charlotteamaxwell

They are coaching together and seem to be enjoying working with young ice dancers :): https://www.instagram.com/p/BURcddzABvu/?taken-by=rydev89
 
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The first time I saw Charlotte Maxwell was when she competed at 2007 Pacific Coast Sectionals in Mountlake Terrace, WA with Nick Traxler.

Best wishes to them both as coaches and in their outside lives :40beers:.
 
Sylvia said:
Cannon Texas Open Junior FD podium & results photos: https://www.facebook.com/icedancecom/posts/10154806460672939
5 teams competed:
DelCamp/Gart 122.48 (70.30 FD 1st)
Amoia/Becker 119.49 (67.90 FD 3rd)
Gropman/Somerville 116.24 (64.43 FD 5th)
Sophia & Christopher Elder 113.58 (68.34 FD 2nd)
Avonley Nguyen/Vadym Kolesnik 110.67 (66.13 FD 4th)
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Thanks for posting! Would love to hear from anyone who was there for reviews/music choices, etc
 
We are going to have a battle royale in the middle of the junior ranks this year, aren't we?

Looking forward to Lake Placid.
 
Some notes from my sister from the Cannon Open Jr and Sr FDs:

Manta/Johnson - Moulin Rouge ("One Day I'll Fly Away" and "Your Song")

Gropman/Somerville - "Nyah" and flamenco music. She messed up on the footwork, he fell on the twizzle.
DelCamp/Gart - Motown music ("I Feel Good" and "Try a Little Tenderness")
Elders - Alice in Wonderland soundtrack
Amoia/Becker - part of the music was Piano Guys "Michael Meets Mozart"
Nguyen/Kolesnik - West Side Story
 
Giving that skating skills of Eliana/Ian and Isabella/Luca are superior to the reminder of the group competing in Texas this result is unexpected, to say the least.
 
There are no protocols, but based on the deductions it seems like there were a number of mistakes. Which is fine, its extremely early in the season. Lake Placid is in a few weeks and is shaping up to be a pretty fierce competition in juniors. It may turn out decisive for who gets JGPs, as results from Chesapeake and Cannon Texas Open were somewhat mixed. Presumably Carreira/Ponomarenko, Lewis/Bye, and the Greens are already slated for two, but there are a lot of options from there.
 
Yes, it's very early.

Give all the teams time to debut their programs and adjust. The novice & new teams have every right to prove themselves. My guess is that Gropman & Somerville will be fine. They finished ahead of the Greens in the SD at Nationals last year. But they also received only level one footwork sequences on the JGP the last two seasons so they aren't infallible. This was their debut for the season. Give them time. And Isabella & Luca are brand new together (and she wasn't at the top previously). Nguyen & Kolesnik (in the free) and the Elders defeated Amoia & Becker at the Chesapeake Open so this is actually an improvement for A&B. I would say that every one of the teams at the Texas Open is in the mix. All composed of at least one medalist from Nationals. It's good.

Some will prove themselves internationally and some won't. But yay! The season has begun. I just hope we do not leave JGP spots empty like last season. These teams--Gropman & Somerville, Gunter & Wein, Amoia & Becker, Nguyen & Kolesnik, DelCamp & Gart, The Elders, Haines & Koszuta, Efimova & Petrov, Cesanek & Usanov--could all benefit from experience. Let's see what happens at Lake Placid. The athletes with the track record are already on the ISP. Hopefully a few more can earn their way into it.
 
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Edit to my post on the Jr FDs at Cannon Open: G/S did not have an error on the footwork. There was a mistake on a non-footwork section (and then the fall on the twizzles).
 
Thanks, @Dobre, and Diana Avaz & Val Katsman (J8 at Nationals), have been removed from the ISP.

Junior teams currently listed in ISP:

Christina Carreira & Anthony Ponomarenko J2/JW3
Chloe Lewis & Logan Bye J4
Caroline Green & Gordon Green J5
Eliana Gropman & Ian Somerville J6
Alina Efimova & Alexander Petrov J7
Emma Gunter & Caleb Wein J9

Added:
Isabelle Amoia & Luca Becker (new)
Katarina DelCamp & Maxwell Gart N2
Sophia Elder & Christopher Elder N3
 
Lara111 said:
Why Elders? They did not get the minimum score.
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What minimum score? Their total was 113.58, which is less than 0.3 below Gunter & Wein's combined total from the Chesapeake Open. I was thinking perhaps 113 might be a good number to look for in the future.
 
Dobre said:
What minimum score? Their total was 113.58, which is less than 0.3 below Gunter & Wein's combined total from the Chesapeake Open. I was thinking perhaps 113 might be a good number to look for in the future.
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116, Gunter/Wein do not need to have minimums this year
 
I'm informed that Junior ice dance teams will be added to the ISP if they attain a total score of 112 or higher in a summer competition.
 
Lara111 said:
Why Nguen/Kolesnik has not been added then?
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They didn't do the short at Chesapeake where they had their high FD score.

At the Texas Open with the debut of their SD, their combined score is 110.67. But their FD score from Chesapeake is the third highest FD score thus far this season (behind Carreira & Ponomarenko and Lewis & Bye) so 112.00 is possible. Crossing my fingers.
 
Q&A with Hawayek & Baker: http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/qa-kaitlin-hawayek-and-jean-luc-baker
Hawayek: ... we never competed the rhumba and this is our first year that Jean-Luc and I together will be doing a Latin style. By keeping our [Liebestraum] free dance, we already have a base groundwork done with that. Now we can work to improve and make that program better, and it also gives us a lot of time to focus on creating a really interesting, fun, and unique Latin program that we feel is just as strong as our free dance.
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Tweeted & posted on Lorraine McNamara/Quinn Carpenter's FB page: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1928892900718538
"Can't wait to kick off our first season in Senior at the Lake Placid Ice Dance Championships in just a few weeks! Hope to see you there!"
 
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I love their Liebestraum program, but I do wish they made a new FD as ice dancers who recycle are always seen as admitting defeat in that they can't come up with a new program. People are less forgiving of ice dance teams for repeats. But then they probably felt the program was so good and never had the chance to really be shown at its best internationally outside the GP events and senior Bs.
 
Wow, I think that's a terrible idea for Hawayek/Baker. Realistically, they aren't competing for an Olympic spot. Absent injury, Shibutani/Shibutani, Chock/Bates, and Hubbell/Donohue each deserve to go based on body of work. So who are they competing against? Pogrebinsky/Benoit, Parsons/Parsons, and McNamara/Carpenter for a spot on the 4CC team. Those three teams each have two new programs, right? So why can't Hawayek/Baker? Why can't H/B learn to rhumba and have a new free dance?
 
If H/B were competing at Worlds or the Olys, reusing the FD would be a bad idea, but I don't think at their level, it makes that much difference. I don't think the U.S. judges will care as much about that as the int'l judges, and the only int'l comps H/B competed at this season were GPs and a Senior B, and most of those judges have probably forgotten the program by now. If they make it to 4CC this season, I doubt any of the judges there will hold them down b/c they used an old FD.
 
I too have no problem with Hawayek/Baker reusing the free dance. They did not skate it to its full potential at Nationals, and I'm sure they want to make up for it. It was a lovely program that suited them very well. Today's free dance is far more technical than it was in the past, so the expectation for novelty and performance is not nearly as high, either.

As we have seen in the field, most skaters want to play it safe in the Olympic year instead of risking polarizing judges and audience. It is a safe choice and understandably so.
 
chameleonster said:
There are no protocols, but based on the deductions it seems like there were a number of mistakes. Which is fine, its extremely early in the season. Lake Placid is in a few weeks and is shaping up to be a pretty fierce competition in juniors. It may turn out decisive for who gets JGPs, as results from Chesapeake and Cannon Texas Open were somewhat mixed. Presumably Carreira/Ponomarenko, Lewis/Bye, and the Greens are already slated for two, but there are a lot of options from there.
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You are right about Cannon being full of mistakes. Gropman/Somerville, the most experienced team there, opened the door with 2 falls on the FD; she fell on a transition and he on the first twizzles (they got no credit and lost probably 11+points). Nguyen/Kolesnik left 9+points on the table when he fell on his twizzles (also zero credit).
Looking forward to the rosters at Lake Placid and it will be exciting to see how the teams develop this summer.
 
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