2017 ISU Grand Prix

[DDNatalia]

Do we know for sure the number of slots per event will be the same this fall as during the 2016/17 season? I recall to some, it was a pleasant surprise that there ended up being an expansion in the number of entries/event in dance (from 8 to fields of 10).
?

 

[kwanfan1818]

There was a question in the German Skating thread about whether Vartmann and Bloomaert would be eligible as split couple with their new partners. (It's no.)

Split Couple who placed 1-6 at some range of prior Worlds have been left out of the GP Announcement since the first season they existed and the rules put them on the Alternates list, so we can only go by what we think we've seen, but based on this year's rules, the following skaters would be eligible as return skaters, based on 2015 and 2016 Worlds results of 7-12, however likely or unlikely:

2015

• Farris (11)
• Edmunds (8)
• Monko (8)

2016:

• Coomes/Buckland (7)

Comeback skaters have to have placed 1-6 in the last 10 years (2008-2016 in reality, since if they were at 2017 Worlds, they aren't returning eta: from a year or more break), and the Announcement doesn't say their last results,.
If only last results count, Kozuka and Amodio would qualify as a return skaters from 2015 Worlds. Plus the following:

• Volosozhar/Trankov (if she strong-arm him into competing internationally, or they're assigned just in case
• Machida
• Abbott
• Suzuki
• Takahashi
• Kim
• Pang/Tong
• Davis/White
• Pechalat/Bourzat
• Joubert
• Gachinski
• Oda
• Ando
• Czisny
• Lepisto
• Pfaneuf
• Dube/Davison
• Faiella/Scali
• Kerr/Kerr
• Lysacek
• Contesti
• Rochette
• Flatt
• Domnina/Shabalin
• Belbin/Agosto
• Buttle
• Weir
• Lambiel
• Van der Perren
• Nakano
• Meier
• Delobel/Schoenfelder

I'm not including teams like Khokhlova/Novitski, where at least one partner skated with another internationally after they split.

 

[npavel]

The World standings are finally updated

 

[Sylvia]

As of May 8, 2017 (2014-15 WS points removed, 2015-16 points reduced to 70%):

MEN: http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
1 Yuzuru HANYU (JPN)
2 Shoma UNO (JPN)
3 Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP)
4 Patrick CHAN (CAN)
5 Boyang JIN (CHN)
6 Nathan CHEN (USA)
7 Mikhail KOLYADA (RUS)
8 Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR)
9 Jason BROWN (USA)
10 Maxim KOVTUN (RUS)
11 Adam RIPPON (USA)
12 Daniel SAMOHIN (ISR)
13 Max AARON (USA)
14 Dmitri ALIEV (RUS)
15 Alexander SAMARIN (RUS)
16 Alexander PETROV (RUS)
17 Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL)
18 Keiji TANAKA (JPN)
19 Deniss VASILJEVS (LAT)
20 Vincent ZHOU (USA)
21 Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA)
22 Misha GE (UZB)
23 (tie) Grant HOCHSTEIN (USA)
23 (tie) Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN)
---
25 Sergei VORONOV (RUS)

LADIES: http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsladies.htm
1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA (RUS)
2 Anna POGORILAYA (RUS)
3 Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN)
4 Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN)
5 (tie) Maria SOTSKOVA (RUS)
5 (tie) Ashley WAGNER (USA)
7 Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN)
8 Karen CHEN (USA)
9 Mirai NAGASU (USA)
10 Rika HONGO (JPN)
11 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA (KAZ)
12 Elena RADIONOVA (RUS)
13 Mai MIHARA (JPN)
14 Roberta RODEGHIERO (ITA)
15 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS)
16 Gracie GOLD (USA)
17 Wakaba HIGUCHI (JPN)
18 Dabin CHOI (KOR)
19 Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA)
20 Mariah BELL (USA)
21 Marin HONDA (JPN)
22 Ivett TOTH (HUN)
23 Soyoun PARK (KOR)
24 Nicole RAJICOVA (SVK)
---
25 Mao ASADA (JPN)-retired

PAIRS: http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wspairs.htm
1 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV (RUS)
2 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD (CAN)
3 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT (GER)
4 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES (FRA)
5 Liubov ILYUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH (CAN)
6 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN)
7 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK (ITA)
8 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV (RUS)
9 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU (CAN)
10 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE (ITA)
11 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT (RUS)
12 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER (AUT)
13 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV (RUS)
14 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG (CHN)
15 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR (CZE)
16 (tie) Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA (USA)
16 (tie) Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM (USA)
18 Mari VARTMANN / Ruben BLOMMAERT (GER)-SPLIT
19 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN (USA)
20 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV (RUS)
21 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER (USA)
22 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET (JPN)
23 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO (CAN)
24 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN (CHN)
---
25 Chelsea LIU / Brian JOHNSON (USA)

ICE DANCE: http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm
1 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA)
2 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI (USA)
3 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS)
4 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE (ITA)
5 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE (USA)
6 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN)
7 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA)
8 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI (ITA)
9 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR (CAN)
10 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN)
11 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN (DEN)
12 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO (ISR)
13 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN (RUS)
14 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV (POL)
15 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS (USA)
16 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV (RUS)
17 Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD (RUS)
18 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC (FRA)
19 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR (TUR)
20 Kana MURAMOTO / Chris REED (JPN)
21 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER (USA)
22 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN (UKR)
23 Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER (USA)
24 Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN (RUS)
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25 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT (USA)

 

[olympic]

Chen, Brown, Rippon, Aaron, Zhou and Hochstein are all seeded 6 - 23. Does this guarantee 2 GP spots for each? If so, that would render a good chance for Farris to get a SK Am spot!

ETA - Actually w/ Misha Ge's retirement, Hochstein slides up to 22

 

[toddlj]

Chen, Brown, Rippon, Aaron, Zhou and Hochstein are all seeded 6 - 23. Does this guarantee 2 GP spots for each? If so, that would render a good chance for Farris to get a SK Am spot!

ETA - Actually w/ Misha Ge's retirement, Hochstein slides up to 22

Chen/Brown are guaranteed 2 because they finished in the top 12 at worlds, but Rippon/Aaron/Zhou/Hochstein are only guaranteed one. From the 2016/2017 announcement: "Skaters/Couples with an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 (after season 2015/16) and Skaters/Couples with seasons best scores in the top 24 (for season 2015/16) who do not hold an ISU World Standing placement of 1 – 24 will be guaranteed one (1) event."

 

[kwanfan1818]

Chen, Brown, Rippon, Aaron, Zhou and Hochstein are all seeded 6 - 23.

Seeding is only based on 1-6 placement at Worlds. There is no seeding based on WS or SB.

ETA - Actually w/ Misha Ge's retirement, Hochstein slides up to 22

Misha Ge has not announced his retirement; in his Ice Network interview, he said he was still deciding, although he didn't sound too optimistic. However, even if he does retire, no one moves up the WS list until the skater is removed from the list, and historically, that has happened rarely. We think it only happens if the Federation tells the ISU to do so.

ETA: My Men's calculations were right, with the caveat that I added, then rounded, while it looks like the official calculation was to round then add, but my spreadsheet was completely wrong for Ladies, Pairs, and Dance. I have to look at it when I get home, because I clearly blew up in copying the formulas from Men's but . (And I thought I spot-checked it...)

 

[olympic]

Thanks. I get confused. What are the chances normally if you are in the top 24 of getting 2 assignments

 

[kwanfan1818]

With 12 spots, of the Top 24 SB in singles only one or two at most haven't gotten two in the initial selection recently; most are also Top 24 WS. However, singles who are Top 24 WS and not Top 24 SB have a lesser chance of getting two. They tend to be from non-host countries, though, and their Feds don't have the clout or host spots.

Also the more non-senior skaters/teams and those who are eligible but are remaining junior, the greater the chance that a Top 24 SB and/or WS senior will get two.

 

[Sylvia]

Top 12 Men at 2017 Worlds (guaranteed 2 GPs; top 6 are seeded for GP)
1 Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) SB 1, WS 1
2 Shoma UNO (JPN) SB 2, WS 2
3 Boyang JIN (CHN) SB 4, WS 5
4 Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) SB 5, WS 3
5 Patrick CHAN (CAN) SB 6, WS 4
6 Nathan CHEN (USA) SB 3, WS 6
7 Jason BROWN (USA) SB 8, WS 9
8 Mikhail KOLYADA (RUS) SB 7, WS 7
9 Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN) SB 14, WS 23
10 Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR) SB 13, WS 8
11 Maxim KOVTUN (RUS) SB 11, WS 10
12 Misha GE (UZB) SB 21, WS 22 - currently unknown if he will compete [Moris KVITELASHVILI (GEO) was 13th]

Top 24 in both SB and WS:
Adam RIPPON (USA) SB 10, WS 11
Vincent ZHOU (USA) SB 12, WS 20 (Junior Worlds gold)
Keiji TANAKA (JPN) SB 16, WS 18
Dmitri ALIEV (RUS) SB 17, WS 14 (Junior Worlds silver, JGPF gold)
Alexander SAMARIN (RUS) SB 18, WS 15 (Junior Worlds bronze)
Alexander PETROV (RUS) SB 20, WS 16
Max AARON (USA) SB 22, WS 13
Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL) SB 23, WS 17

Top 24 in SB only:
9 Denis TEN (KAZ)
15 Takahito MURA (JPN)
19 Sergei VORONOV (RUS)
24 Jun Hwan CHA (KOR)

Top 24 in WS only:
12 Daniel SAMOHIN (ISR)
19 Deniss VASILJEVS (LAT)
21 Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA)
23 Grant HOCHSTEIN (USA)

Return skater candidate (11th at 2015 Worlds): Joshua FARRIS (USA)

SB 25 onwards (next 9 in line): http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtsmto.htm
25 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA (WS 21)
26 Nam NGUYEN CAN
27 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO
28 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT (WS 19)
29 Brendan KERRY AUS
30 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA (WS 23)
31 Han YAN CHN
32 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR (WS 12)
33 Alexander MAJOROV SWE
34 Michal BREZINA CZE
35 Timothy DOLENSKY USA
36 Paul FENTZ GER
37 Elladj BALDE CAN
...

Available GP slots, assuming unchanged: 72 (12 x 6)

 

[skatingguy]

The dance and pairs standings show just how much of a joke these standings are when you have couples leading them who have never won a World Title.

 

[Sylvia]

Top 10 Pairs at 2017 Worlds (guaranteed 2 GPs; top 6 are seeded for GP):
1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN (CHN) (SB 1, WS 6
2 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT (GER) SB 2, WS 3
3 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV (RUS) SB 3, WS 1
4 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG (CHN) SB 7, WS 14
5 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV (RUS) SB 6, WS 8
6 Liubov ILYUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH (CAN) SB 9, WS 5
7 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD (CAN) SB 5, WS 2
8 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES (FRA) SB 4, WS 4
9 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK (ITA) SB 11, WS 7
10 Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM (USA) SB 12, WS 16-tie

Top 24 in both SB and WS:
Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU (CAN) SB 8, WS 9
Cheng PENG / Yang JIN (CHN) SB 10, WS 24
Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT (RUS) SB 13, WS 11
Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO (CAN) SB 14, WS 23
Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER (USA) SB 15, WS 21
Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE (ITA) SB 16, WS 10
Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR (CZE) SB 17, WS 15
Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV (RUS) SB 18, WS 13
Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV (RUS) SB 19, WS 20
Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN (USA) SB 22, WS 19
Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA (USA) SB 24, WS 16-tie

Top 24 in WS only:
12 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER (AUT)
22 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET (JPN)

If all the teams listed above each get 2 GPs, the total is up to 46 of 48 slots.

Junior Worlds medalists (all 3 are still ISU Junior age-eligible):
1 Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA / Harley WINDSOR (AUS) - aiming for Olympic berth at Nebelhorn Trophy
2 Aleksandra BOIKOVA / Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII (RUS) - likely to return to JGP
3 Yumeng GAO / Zhong XIE (CHN) - likely to return to JGP

Season Best total scores (next in line): http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtspto.htm
25 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA
26 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK
27 Alina USTIMKINA / Nikita VOLODIN RUS (ISU Junior age-eligible)
28 Camille RUEST / Andrew WOLFE CAN
29 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT (WS 12)
30 Alisa EFIMOVA / Alexander KOROVIN RUS
31 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN (WS 22)
32 Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA / Harley WINDSOR AUS (Junior Worlds gold)
...

Available GP slots, assuming unchanged: 48 (8 x 6)

 

[misskarne]

My assumption has been that Katia and Harley will compete only Senior this season, but I have nothing to base that assumption on other than that they are trying to get to the Olympics via Nebelhorn. As JGP Brisbane won't have pairs, they don't have that incentive to stay Junior, and if JWC gold guarantees them a GP, then my money would be on them going Senior.

How does Josh-as-a-return-skater work? Is he inserted into the SB list, or is he counted separately?

 

[Bronxfan]

Papadakis and Cizeron ranked 7th is just plain stupid!!

 

[kwanfan1818]

Neither Return Skaters nor Jr. World Medalists not JGPF champions are guaranteed any spots. However, there is no example of a Return Skater I can think of who did not get two in the initial selection, even if one was a host spot, and I don't know of a Jr. World champion who did not get at least one.

The Return Skater's SB from his or her most recent season is inserted into the SB list, which, if they got only one in the initial selection -- more likely for Pairs with eight spots, or if the skater is from a host Fed that doesn't fork up a host spot -- would place them high on the Alternates list. (Or in line for a TBD host spot after summer competitions.)

 

[misskarne]

Wait, what? I thought JWC champions were still guaranteed one?

 

[Alilou]

Papadakis and Cizeron ranked 7th is just plain stupid!!

As is Virtue and Moir ranked 9th.

 

[clairecloutier]

Wait, what? I thought JWC champions were still guaranteed one?

We discussed this in the Pairs Discussion thread recently.

The language in last year's GP announcement said that Junior World champions may be considered for senior GP selection. But they are not guaranteed a spot. And since Pairs has the least number of GP slots, it could be a close call. By my calculations, there may be only 1 or 2 non-host pick GP slots available after the guaranteed slots are assigned. A/W would probably be high on the list to get 1 or 2 of those slots, but there's no guarantee. Whereas if they stay junior, I think they would definitely get 2 JGPs. That's why Duskova/Bidar stayed junior for the GP season this past year.

 

[Sylvia]

Top 12 Ladies at 2017 Worlds (guaranteed 2 GPs; top 6 are seeded for GP):
1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA (RUS) SB 1, WS 1
2 Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) SB 4, WS 3
3 Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN) SB 7, WS 7
4 Karen CHEN (USA) SB 14, WS 8
5 Mai MIHARA (JPN) SB 3, WS 13
6 Carolina KOSTNER (ITA) SB 8, WS 30
7 Ashley WAGNER (USA) SB 11, WS 5-tie
8 Maria SOTSKOVA (RUS) SB 13, WS 5-tie
9 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA (KAZ) SB 21, WS 11
10 Dabin CHOI (KOR) SB 24, WS 18
11 Wakaba HIGUCHI (JPN) SB 5, WS 17
12 Mariah BELL (USA) SB 22, WS 20

Top 24 in both SB and WS:
Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) SB 2, WS 4
Anna POGORILAYA (RUS) SB 6, WS 2
Elena RADIONOVA (RUS) SB 9, WS 12
Mirai NAGASU (USA) SB 16, WS 9
Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) SB 20, WS 15
Marin HONDA (JPN) SB 12, WS 21 (Junior Worlds silver)

Top 24 in SB only:
10 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS (Junior Worlds & JGPF gold)
15 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN (Junior Worlds bronze)
19 Polina TSURSKAYA RUS

Top 24 WS only:
10 Rika HONGO (JPN) SB 36
14 Roberta RODEGHIERO (ITA) SB 54
16 Gracie GOLD (USA) SB 32
19 Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA) SB 26
22 Ivett TOTH (HUN) SB 47
23 Soyoun PARK (KOR) SB 31
24 Nicole RAJICOVA (SVK) SB 39

Return skater candidate (8th at 2015 Worlds): Polina EDMUNDS (USA)

SB 25 onwards (next in line): http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtslto.htm
27 Zijun LI CHN
28 Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA* RUS
30 Alaine CHARTRAND CAN
34 Amber GLENN USA
35 Courtney HICKS USA
40 Xiangning LI CHN
41 Yura MATSUDA JPN
42 Serafima SAKHANOVICH RUS
43 Nahyun KIM KOR
44 Yuna SHIRAIWA* JPN
45 Rin NITAYA JPN
46 Loena HENDRICKX BEL
47 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA
48 Yuna AOKI* JPN (not listed in 2017-18 national team)
49 Bradie TENNELL USA
50 Nicole SCHOTT GER
...
* = JGP last season & still age-eligible

Available GP slots, assuming unchanged: 72 (12 x 6)

---

Season Best list (too young for ISU Sr. in 2017-18):
17 Anastasiia GUBANOVA RUS
18 Rika KIHIRA JPN
25 Elizaveta NUGUMANOVA RUS
33 Mako YAMASHITA JPN
37 Eunsoo LIM KOR
38 Sofia SAMODUROVA RUS
51 Ye Lim KIM KOR

 

[Sylvia]

Top 10 Dance teams at 2017 Worlds (guaranteed 2 GPs; top 6 are seeded for GP):
1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR (CAN) SB 1, WS 9
2 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) SB 2, WS 7
3 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI (USA) SB 3, WS 2
4 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE (CAN) SB 4, WS 6
5 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) SB 6, WS 3
6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE (ITA) SB 7, WS 4
7 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES (USA) SB 5, WS 1
8 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER (CAN) SB 9, WS 10
9 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE (USA) SB 10, WS 5
10 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN (RUS) SB 13, WS 13

Return Couple candidate: Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND (GBR)

Top 24 in both SB and WS:
Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN (RUS) SB 8, WS 24
Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI (ITA) SB 11, WS 8
Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO (ISR) SB 12, WS 12
Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER (USA) SB 14, WS 21
Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV (RUS) SB 16, WS 16
Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS (USA) SB 18, WS 15
Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD (RUS) SB 19, WS 17
Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR (TUR) SB 20, WS 19
Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN (DEN) SB 21, WS 11
Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER (USA) SB 22, WS 23

Top 24 in SB only:
15 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO (RUS)
17 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT (USA)
23 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU (CHN)
24 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO (USA) - likely returning to JGP

Top 24 in WS only:
14 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV (POL) SB 25
18 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LE GAC (FRA) SB 30
20 Kana MURAMOTO / Chris REED (JPN) SB 26
22 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN (UKR) SB 27

Available GP slots, assuming unchanged: 60 (10 x 6)

Season Best total scores (next in line): http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2016-17/sbtsdto.htm
28 Kavita LORENZ / Joti POLIZOAKIS GER
29 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS
33 Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON FRA
34 Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN KOR
35 Olga JAKUSHINA / Andrey NEVSKIY LAT
36 Cortney MANSOUR / Michal CESKA CZE
38 Olivia SMART / Adria DIAZ ESP
...

Likely returning to JGP (along with 24 CARREIRA / PONOMARENKO USA):
31 Anastasia SHPILEVAYA / Grigory SMIRNOV RUS
32 Anastasia SKOPTCOVA / Kirill ALESHIN RUS
37 Marjorie LAJOIE / Zachary LAGHA CAN

 

[missing]

What exactly does seeded mean?

 

[blancanieves]

What exactly does seeded mean?

In the Grand Prix Series, teams ranked 1-3 at Worlds cannot meet in competition until (if they qualify) the Grand Prix Final. Likewise, teams ranked 4-6 cannot compete against one another before the final.

 

[kwanfan1818]

In the Grand Prix Series, teams ranked 1-3 at Worlds cannot meet in competition until (if they qualify) the Grand Prix Final. Likewise, teams ranked 4-6 cannot compete against one another before the final.

But that's true of non-seeded teams as well: in singles, 7-9 and 10-12 can't meet*, and in Dance and Pairs, 7-10 can't meet*.

*Unless a host chooses two from the same group, in which case another host will end up with two from a different group.

Being seeded obligates the skaters to participate in two GP events or sit out the GP season:

3.4 Obligation of Seeded Skaters
It is of the highest importance that Rule 136 paragraph 6 of the ISU Regulations and the relevant provisions of ISU Communication No. 1811 be respected and implemented by all ISU Members and Skaters. To assure compliance with Rule 136, paragraph 6, the following directive is issued by the ISU Council.

All Seeded Skaters/Couples as to paragraph 2.1 of this General Announcement are categorized as "Seeded" Skaters/Couples and, as such, will be expected to participate in two (2) ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events during the 2016/17 season. The ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events will take place from October 21, 2016 to November 27, 2016. ("the Grand Prix Period").

Seeded Skaters/Couples, as well as Come-Back Skaters/Couples who fulfill their ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating obligations may also skate in other competitions, shows and exhibitions as authorized by their ISU Member during the Grand Prix Period and, for Seeded Skaters/Couples who do not qualify for the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final, also in the period immediately following the last individual event (NHK Trophy – November 25-27, 2016).

If any Seeded Skater/Couple elects in advance of the Grand Prix Period not to participate in their assigned events (for whatever reason), they will not be permitted to participate in any other competitions, shows, and exhibitions during the Grand Prix Period. In addition, depending on the circumstances, these Seeded Skater/Couple may be subject to sanctions in accordance with Rule 136, paragraph 6 of the General Regulations. Such sanction may be in the form of monetary penalties that would be deducted from ISU payments of Prize Money and/or future ISU contributions to the ISU Member of the concerned Skater.

There were years where seeded skaters had the option to do a third, non-scoring GP; that coincided with years that prize money was high. IIRC, they could make over $100K from GP and GPF.

Also, there have been assertions that the podium gets to pick which GP's they want in the order in which they finished, and also that the same is true for 4-6. If this is the case, that's the plus side of being seeded, because, otherwise, there's little difference between 1-6 and 7-10/12.

 

[Dobre]

in Dance and Pairs, 7-10 can't meet.

With only 6 GP events, at least two teams from 7-10 will have to meet twice.

Last year, it didn't happen in dance because Coomes & Buckland were #7 and withdrew. But they were scheduled to go up against #8, Gilles & Poirier, in France and against #9 Sinitsina & Katsalapov in Japan. (Interesting that the planned matchups were closer than just pitting #7 and #10 against one another).

It didn't happen in pairs last year either because Moore-Towers & Marinaro and the Knierims both withdrew from the GP.

 

[kwanfan1818]

With only 6 GP events, at least two teams from 7-10 will have to meet twice.

. Of course, you're right.

 

[kalamalka]

One advantage of being seeded is that it makes the route to the GPF a bit easier, since seeded teams meet only one other seeded team at each of their events (ie max of one team that finished ahead of them at Worlds), whereas non-seeded teams have to face two seeded at each event.

 

[kwanfan1818]

But singles in 7-9 aren't seeded, and they only have to compete against one skater each from the 1-3 and 4-6 groups, while the 10-12 have to compete against one skater each from the 1-3, 4-6, and 7-9 groups. The groupings are what protect the skaters, not being seeded.

There used to be an advantage to being seeded, which is that there was an optional third event and the opportunity for . (I can't remember if they got to use the best 2/3 results or if one was already designated as the "extra" non-counting event up front for determining who went to GPF.)

Now, seeding is simply an obligation to compete or to being unable to compete/perform in shows during the GP period, and, if the ISU wants to pursue it, other sanctions, which I've never seen evidence that they've enforced. (Although who knows whether they applied pressure to get people to agree to compete.) There aren't any benefits to being seeded; there are benefits to grouping, which occasionally get breached by the host picks.

Not competing at Worlds relieves the skaters of any obligation to skate at GP or face restrictions/sanctions, and the best can be assigned to host spots, if from host nations, and qualify from the alternates list with a score from early season CS events. (Used to be five-six designated early season senior internationals.)

 

[tony]

There used to be an advantage to being seeded, which is that there was an optional third event and the opportunity for . (I can't remember if they got to use the best 2/3 results or if one was already designated as the "extra" non-counting event up front for determining who went to GPF.)

The third event was pre-designated at the beginning of the season. I'm not sure if the skaters were able to pick or if it was picked for them. At the 2001 NHK Trophy, both Maria Butyrskaya and Irina Slutskaya withdrew but it was both ladies' non-scoring event. It sometimes shut other skaters out of earning points/making the Grand Prix Final and gave the top skaters even more money.

 

[Lizziebeth]

I remember that three event thing. The non-scoring event had to be designated in advance and could not be changed. It was a good deal for the very top skaters who could do three events because they could make money. Not so good for everyone else. I am glad they did away with it.

 

[Sylvia]

Moscow is listed as the location for Rostelecom Cup/Cup of Russia: http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/calendar-of-events/2017/10/gp-rus-201718

Osaka is listed for NHK Trophy: http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/calendar-of-events/2017/11/gp-jpn-201718

Grenoble (hearsay posted earlier in this thread) is confirmed for Trophee de France: http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/calendar-of-events/2017/11/gp-fra-201718

Rostelecom/Cup of Russia - Moscow, Oct. 19-22, 2017
Skate Canada International - Regina SK, Oct. 26-29
Cup of China - TBA, Nov. 2-5
NHK Trophy - Osaka, Nov. 9-12
Trophee de France - Grenoble, Nov. 16-19
Skate America - Lake Placid NY Nov. 24-26