Gymnastics News #15

It was such a great competition, and it all went to the trash at the very last rotation. What a let down.
 
Hopefully the Brits are still happy with a silver medal - still their first ever men's team medal at Worlds and beating China is no small task as Japan knows all too well. And even though I wish it had been with fewer mistakes, I'm happy Japan finally got their long (very long) awaited team gold.
 
0.859 separated the podium. That's 3 step-outs!

And China falls from team gold for the first time since 2001. :eek:
 
I am sorry but that score for Uchimura is such a joke. Japan had no business winning gold.
 
dots said:
I am sorry but that score for Uchimura is such a joke. Japan had no business winning gold.
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As there was a protest at the end there I guess the original score for Uchimura didn't win Japan Gold. It would be interesting to know what the original score was and what the basis for the Japanese protest was. Still as team GB were anticipating battling for the bronze winning silver is a huge accomplishment. They are currently being interviewed and are very, very happy
 
rhapsody said:
0.859 separated the podium. That's 3 step-outs!
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And only 2.2 points between 1st and 5th, which is not that much especially compared to the women's competition (12 points between 1st and 5th...even taking the US out of the equation, 2nd place China was still 7 points ahead of 5th place Japan in women's).

I will say while I enjoy the nailbiter aspect of the men's competition, it increases my respect for the US women's consistency and even the Chinese and British women to only have one fall. We were all complaining yesterday about Russia potentially being on the podium with 4 falls and here Japan won with 3 falls. :lol:
 
Lorac said:
OK - I misunderstood the BBC commentators then - though it was all a bit hectic at the end there.
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Ironically the Japanese falls meant that we had spoilers..you could hear max go clean...you could see the celebrations by the Brits...it was just a little unfortunate not to see the reactions live. But then for there to be a chance of gold.....hilarious really!!!
 
Lorac said:
OK - I misunderstood the BBC commentators then - though it was all a bit hectic at the end there.
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Me too, it was totally implied that the inquiry was Japan's. Bad job on the part of Matt Baker who also announced that GB had won!!!! :rolleyes:
 
poths said:
How many men is allowed on the team at Olympics? It's not 5 as well, is it?
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It is 5 per team for Rio for the men and women. I will admit that has made watching the team competitions a little awkward for me to watch. It's like we are picking who should give up for Rio right now. For the U.S. men, it was worse cause Mikulak and Dalton weren't there.

They really shouldn't allow 6 to compete at Worlds in the team competition.
 
ilovepaydays said:
It is 5 per team for Rio for the men and women. I will admit that has made watching the team competitions a little awkward for me to watch. It's like we are picking who should give up for Rio right now. For the U.S. men, it was worse cause Mikulak and Dalton weren't there.

They really shouldn't allow 6 to compete at Worlds in the team competition.
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thanks for the Information for ILPD :)
5 for the men is ridiculous given that there are six events. Really harsh. I guess the Brits might ditch Louis Smith then although, technically Dan Purvis could have done Brinns PH and Vault and scored similar...so I guess we'll see. It puts a lot of performances in the legs of the athletes. Shame.
 
floskate said:
Me too, it was totally implied that the inquiry was Japan's. Bad job on the part of Matt Baker who also announced that GB had won!!!! :rolleyes:
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he's a twonk. Mitch is coaching the Dutch men's team, is he commentating still?
 
poths said:
thanks for the Information for ILPD :)
5 for the men is ridiculous given that there are six events. Really harsh. I guess the Brits might ditch Louis Smith then although, technically Dan Purvis could have done Brinns PH and Vault and scored similar...so I guess we'll see. It puts a lot of performances in the legs of the athletes. Shame.
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That is pretty silly - 5 for the women with 4 events is fine - but 5 for the men with 6 events isn't logical. I guess Louis is the obvious guy to drop - but maybe he will be OK with that -having come back and won a worlds team medal. Still let's just enjoy the moment.:)
 
poths said:
he's a twonk. Mitch is coaching the Dutch men's team, is he commentating still?
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Matt Baker is probably a luvverly guy who also happens to be rather annoying (well at least to me)

Mitch commented with Christine for the womens TF. I love this duo.
 
floskate said:
Me too, it was totally implied that the inquiry was Japan's. Bad job on the part of Matt Baker who also announced that GB had won!!!! :rolleyes:
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Matt Baker was almost as annoying as the obnoxious U.S. "cheering". And he can't pronounce Kohei still :wall:
 
Yusuke Tanaka is Abbott of MAG, perform beautifully but always make mistakes. I remember he falls in every world championship.
 
I think it's time to make the deduction for falls as 'open ended' as the scores.

Losing twice what you would have lost under the 10.0 system seems like it should be enough in theory, but it never is because so much of what you lose can be made back.

A .5 deduction when 95%+ of the routines in team finals started from a 10.0 was a huge deal.

Losing 1.0 is not twice the penalty, though, if you are starting from a .5 advantage.

Perhaps falls should be a % reduction in the start value? Let's try 25%. A fall on an Amanar (D=6.3) is worth 1.575 and a fall on an 1.5Yurchenko (D=5.3) is worth 1.325. So the base value for each failed vault ends up being:

Amanar with fall = 4.725
1.5Y with fall = 3.975

It's just crazy pants to watch teams be multiple falls ahead of other teams when in reality the difference doesn't appear that great.

Another factor in why falls don't have as much of an impact on the scores anymore is because judges are taking serious deductions on routines in a way they didn't in the 80s, 90s and 00s. You would think it would encourage lower risk, greater consistency, better technique, but no...Anyway, when every routine, even a virtually perfect vault, starts with -.3 in deductions, and the average routine by the top 10 in the world on an event has -1.0 in deductions, -1.0 doesn't mean what it would have if judging were as lenient as in earlier times.
 
dots said:
Uh what's wrong with that? I see not harm or disrespect on what you listed. :confused:

Should they say "you suck you big stupid" instead? I fail to see what is wrong with what you have listed.
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All teams do cheer for their competitors although not quite as crazily as the US, and the nature of the comments certainly do stand out. If you listen to Russia/France/Germany or GB, they talk each other through the routines with technical advice (swing through, stay tight, you have plenty of time, see this through, finish it off) and keep they shouts of encouragement to things like "come on", "nice", davai/stoi. Somehow I cannot imagine team China throwing an equivalent of "let's go baby" but I may be wrong :lol:
Fridge_Break said:
Bring back the 10.0! :mitchell:
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People keep saying this but I'm so grateful open ended scoring has finally opened the door for gymnasts from non-powerhouse nations. Over the past few years, we've had medals from the Philippines, Switzerland, Croatia etc... that would never ever have happened with the 10. People who come from big-team nations often forget that. There is still a judging bias in favour of the historically strong and $$ powerful nations, but there's at least a chance for others to objectively assert they're just as good with the D score.

It used to be the case that gymnasts from smaller nations had to do twice as much and better than the rest to get noticed + get lucky with all powerhouse nation gymnasts faltering to even medal. And even then, it would be fairly strong nations like France or GB getting the nod.

That said MAG is so much less political than WAG. Gymnasts competing on the same apparatus were congratulating each other and interacting throughout the evening - you wouldn't have Paseka greet Raisman with a hug as she came off the floor half way through team finals, but that's exactly what was happening yesterday. It was great to see!
 
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Perspective: GB didn't qualify a man for Athens in 04. In 2005, with Louis Smyth on the team, they finished 23rd. Ten years later they nearly won. That rise is meteoric, I'm genuinely in awe. They need to write a book on how they managed to do that. Further, it makes me appreciate Louis' bronze in Beijing and Dan Keatings' world AA silver in 09 ( I wish he made the team :( ) even more as they literally came from nothing and were the catalyst for these current successes.
 
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