Any skater who has "outstanding" skating skills gets a 10.0. It is not a ranking system, unless, again, you can point to me in the ISU rulebook where it says it is and that space should be saved for other skaters? There are criteria that are meant to be applied objectively. If they meet the criteria, they get a 10.0. It doesn't matter what other skaters are doing.
You are running out of room to judge there. As the changed GOE from -3/+3 to -5/+5 shows there is not enough room to differentiate between super good and totally amazing. If you throw 10's out there for really good every 3rd skater will get them and the wrong people will win. That is not what the changes made to the judging system were meant to do.
So, are you asserting that Nathan should NOT have won?
He should have won, but his PCS should’ve been about 10-15 points lower.
Three problems with your analysis:
You mean...international judges can't think and judge for themselves?
Why, the horror!!!! 
Of course judges judged on the performance on the ice. Previous results may service as a reference to his ability. If a skater performs clearly better than what he has done earlier, it would not be a surprise that he gets a higher score this time.
International judges gave him free World Champion candy? They also inflated him? It's neither truth nor a fact. It's your fantasy. Are you more qualified to judge than those ISU certified judges? Show us your qualifications, will you?
Again, are you more qualified to judge the performance than the trained judges? It's not only the commentators' opinion but more of the judges' opinion, who were sitting by the board.
How do you know the judges' motivation? If you have not asked and talked to them, you don't know how they were reasoning to give out the scores they gave.
Except that Nathan's FS is not "nothing but jump-jump-jump."
Having TES drive PCS is nothing new in the sport. It is five times more severe in the ladies in international competitions. (Just look at certain past world champions...) I don't think this competition, once accounting for national inflation, is doing anything that ISU judges aren't already doing.
All I’m going to say is that I expressed my personal opinions, that they’re informed opinions, and that I don’t need to justify them to you. Sorry if you don’t like them, but anybody who says they enjoy seeing pain inflicted on anyone else, for any reason, deserves no more response than that.
NO I AM NOT.I am saying the PCS given to him were WRONG. as you well know and the fact that he would have won anyways is irrelevant to the situation. Judging is not supposed to be an agreed upon procedure for each competition. It must be constant. This is not fair to the other competitors or the sport.
Well if they are "really good" (which I'm going to equate to ISU's "very good") they should be getting 8.00 – 8.75, not 10s.
By that measure, all conversation on this board is pointless. Nothing anyone says here is likely to impact what judges, skaters, the ISU, or federations do. Nor is it likely to change the results of past competitions or settle the burning questions of “who was better, Yuna or Mao,” or “what should be done about Nathan’s costume. It doesn’t stop people from talking about them, and in fact, that’s why the board exists.I'm kind of....amazed that people are still going on about this. He got almost 95 PCS last nationals in the fs for a program that was not nearly as good as he did this year and had a popped jump. He even got 10's last year too. And the world did not end and FS was not ruined. Amazing.
There's no way Nathan is ever going to get low 80's PCS at nationals or anywhere else for that matter with a perfect FS when he got 88-90 on the GP with rather sloppy mistake filled programs. You can make the argument that he has never deserved those PCS and it's a gift, but it's rather pointless since that PCS ship has sailed a long long time ago. Nathan is never getting the PCS his detractors think he deserves, especially now. You can stay mad about it I guess?
Yes, I think the pcs inflation has been creeping up over the years. When IJS started, skaters started off getting six in PCS and a 7 is supposed to be a good pcs mark. Yet nowadays 80 is the average pcs mark for senior international competition. It's kind of like grade inflation, where now students rarely get a C. Just because grade/score inflation exists doesn't mean teachers who do give As and Bs are stupid. It's just the way the system is set up.
That reminds me of a joke on The Simpsons where Michelle Obama visits Lisa Simpson (she did not play herself) and was like "I got 'As' in college back when it was hard to get 'As'."
Yes, it’s an enjoyment. When a skater defenseless on forums and social media uses his performance and result to response to the haters, who spew their hatreds after every competition season after season: no artistry, nothing but jump-jump-jump, a disgrace, a crime … I can see the gnawing pains in these haters’ soul. I am happy for the skater whose success makes his bashers suffer.
That's a big problem then, isn't it! Wow, you are not helping your skater if you disagree with the judges assessments of UR.
That's because the men are doing more quads, and more difficult quads. The element point values and PCS factors were set up so that the maximum PCS could be on par with the top jump content of 15 years ago.
Just because I criticize someone or something doesn’t make me a “hater,” and criticism doesn’t equate to hatred, facts that are seemingly lost on you. As it happens, I generally like Nathan’s skating, although he’s not my favorite skater. I don’t agree with some of his marks, but that doesn’t mean I hate him, the judges, or the judging system.
I agree. It seems to be an ISU answer to the question of "is figure skating a sport?" that they're making the total score much more reliant on the technical score. So right now, the pendulum is swinging more in the "athletics" direction.
No one is “bashing” any skater. People are criticizing improper judging.
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bunk...and he got them in all categories. Glad you are not a judge.
Good for you for not getting hurted by Nathan's scores. For your note, I haven't hit back by saying negatives about Jason the past two years.