U.S. Ladies [#18]: These Boots Are Made for Skating

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Cleo1782 said:
Yes, that is correct. I remember seeing it live. Did she even ever try it again?
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She tried it again at 2006 TEB. A fall, but a decent attempt. This looks better rotation wise than the one she had ratified at 2005 nationals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK5IkBR8qsI

There's a compilation video on youtube of Kimmie's 3A attempts, including some practice and competition warm up. It looks like she might have only tried 3 in competition (2005 nats, 2005 cheesefest and 2006 TEB).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWU4YeBNRws
 
honey said:
She tried it again at 2006 TEB. A fall, but a decent attempt. This looks better rotation wise than the one she had ratified at 2005 nationals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK5IkBR8qsI

There's a compilation video on youtube of Kimmie's 3A attempts, including some practice and competition warm up. It looks like she might have only tried 3 in competition (2005 nats, 2005 cheesefest and 2006 TEB).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWU4YeBNRws
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Thanks. I couldn't remember. I heard rumors she was trying it at Nats that year and was shocked she landed such a good one. I always thought it was strange she pretty much abandoned it, but apparently it was very hard on her physically.
 
Spun Silver said:
It seems she would be the 9th woman. Is that correct?

"Only eight female figure skaters have done a triple Axel in competition: Midori Ito (the first one to do it), Tonya Harding, Yukari Nakano, Ludmila Nelidina, Mao Asada (the first one to land three triple Axels in one competition), Kimmie Meissner, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Rika Kihira."
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_jump

Hopefully this entry will be updated soon!
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No. She's the eighth. Kimmie doesn't count because she didn't land it in an international competition.
 
Mirai's program was rough and it needs more emotion. But what struck me were 2 things: she didn't give up after the fall and went after everything. And physically, she looks to be in the best shape she's been in since 2010.

You can also see the rapport and ease of her relationship with Tom. She looks very promising; I've criticized her harshly in the past during her years of not giving it her all, but she's still my favorite. If she can really get all the aspects of these programs together, she has a really good shot at the Olympic team, triple axel or not.
 
asdf334 said:
To see Chen get URs on her jumps is so frustrating given the air time- not saying the calls aren't deserved, just that she should be more than capable of getting them fully rotated.
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It's the same thing to a degree with Mirai. She's not as powerful as Karen, but they both jump big. I see how big Mirai's triple axel is and I ask myself, how is she two-footing it?

I think this is the strongest group of U.S. Ladies we've had in a while. Obviously no Gracie in the mix at the moment, but with Karen, Ashley, Mirai, Mariah, and now even Bradie they all seem to have the goods.
 
honey said:
She tried it again at 2006 TEB. A fall, but a decent attempt. This looks better rotation wise than the one she had ratified at 2005 nationals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK5IkBR8qsI

There's a compilation video on youtube of Kimmie's 3A attempts, including some practice and competition warm up. It looks like she might have only tried 3 in competition (2005 nats, 2005 cheesefest and 2006 TEB).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWU4YeBNRws
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I remember watching that warm-up triple axel from Campbell's on TV. I think that's the best one I saw from Kimmie. At least the closest to being rotated.
 
Anyone else worried about Pacific Sectionals? Currently, there are a lot of really good skaters (aka skaters that could make the top 10) without byes, including Hicks, Wang, Andrews, Hong, and Nguyen. Hopefully, at least two (if not more) are assigned to the Challenger series events that would get them a bye.
 
FSfan107 said:
It's the same thing to a degree with Mirai. She's not as powerful as Karen, but they both jump big. I see how big Mirai's triple axel is and I ask myself, how is she two-footing it?

I think this is the strongest group of U.S. Ladies we've had in a while. Obviously no Gracie in the mix at the moment, but with Karen, Ashley, Mirai, Mariah, and now even Bradie they all seem to have the goods.
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My understanding about two footing is that it could be an issue with where her weight is in the air. If she is not far enough over to her landing side that can cause two footing. Not really related to how high she jumps, unless in trying to get higher she is throwing herself off.
 
wickedwitch said:
Anyone else worried about Pacific Sectionals? Currently, there are a lot of really good skaters (aka skaters that could make the top 10) without byes, including Hicks, Wang, Andrews, Hong, and Nguyen. Hopefully, at least two (if not more) are assigned to the Challenger series events that would get them a bye.
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I thought about this myself. What I'm hoping that the assign half of these ladies to challengers during November, so they can get a bye to nationals. Courtney is high up on the substitution list, so she should get a GP. If not, they will send her to a second challenger. Angela will probably get a second challenger. Tessa hasn't gotten her technical minimums, so they may send her as well. Polina, I think has a scheduling conflict because of her GP. I'll have to check. Vivian may have lost her chance to go to a challenger based on Golden West. :(

Both Kaitlyn and Starr are wanted potentially for JW. There are a lot of fall competitions they can be sent to for practice. But it all comes down if the seniors are placed in challengers again.
 
Warsaw Cup and Tallinn Cup will get skaters byes through Sectionals. USFS is probably waiting to see how skaters like Hicks and Wang do in their first Bs before they decide if they get another competition.
 
Judging is just so inconsistent on URs. I feel for Mirai because she got more calls than were there IMHO. Kevin Reynolds took two too many UR calls in the LP in Helsinki costing Canada a 3rd spot in Korea. At the same comp, Karen Chen in my mind URed the 3T and I'm mystified why it wasn't called. Given what I see happening to others I think she deserves more calls.

It's such a crapshoot for athletes to suffer this inconsistency in calling with almost the same jump execution comp to comp. Another thing to fix/standardize in IJS....
 
mag said:
My understanding about two footing is that it could be an issue with where her weight is in the air. If she is not far enough over to her landing side that can cause two footing. Not really related to how high she jumps, unless in trying to get higher she is throwing herself off.
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It looks more to me like Mirai isn't crossing her feet properly. Sometimes she almost wraps and if you watch video, she breaks her left ankle away and to the side at the very last minute in jumps. I think the force of that is enough to angle her landing foot in a way that she isn't perpendicular to the ice.

By comparison, look at how straight Kaetlyn Osmond is in this jump.
 
It looks to me like her body is off axis and that is causes the foot, but I am not an expert. I do think her air position also contributes to her chronic underrotations.
 
Well guys, what specific practice regimens does Mirai need to implement in order to fix the two-footing and URs, barring fixing the judges' eyes and/or their possible suspect intentions, or habit-forming negative perceptions?
 
Rock2 said:
Judging is just so inconsistent on URs. I feel for Mirai because she got more calls than were there IMHO. Kevin Reynolds took two too many UR calls in the LP in Helsinki costing Canada a 3rd spot in Korea. At the same comp, Karen Chen in my mind URed the 3T and I'm mystified why it wasn't called. Given what I see happening to others I think she deserves more calls.
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Well since Gracie is on the sideline, and didn't live up to the hype, their transferring their hopes to Karen who has pretty much become their new "it girl." The eggs in the Karen Chen basket is filling up rather fast :shuffle:

A relatively new young girl is far easier to politik for then girls (Mirai, Ashley) who have been around the block more then once and already have reputations. Don't be shocked if the USFSA got in the judges ear about Karen (she don't ur trust us, that ain't too bad, isn't she great at this and that, etc) before they could decide for themselves ;)

If Karen does make the Olympic team (and at this point I don't see it not happening) expect NBC to be shoving her down your throat quite a bit in Korea :slinkaway I'm already dreading the nationals tough bath :scream:
 
aftershocks said:
Well guys, what specific practice regimens does Mirai need to implement in order to fix the two-footing and URs, barring fixing the judges' eyes and/or their possible suspect intentions, or habit-forming negative perceptions?
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I am confident that Tom has Mirai working on all the standard exercises to correct both the UR's and the two footing. He is an excellent technical coach and, cheer leading aside, I am sure he is well aware of Mirai's faults. As for the judges, Mirai's UR's are often visible in real time. A tech panel that didn't review them would be negligent.
 
I think it's very early in the season for all ladies. I think mistakes are more prone to happening now. I do wish that all US ladies took Bradie's approach and compete in three competitions before the start of the season. But unfortunately, since many skaters must tour to make money it would be very difficult.
 
mag said:
I am confident that Tom has Mirai working on all the standard exercises to correct both the UR's and the two footing. He is an excellent technical coach and, cheer leading aside, I am sure he is well aware of Mirai's faults. As for the judges, Mirai's UR's are often visible in real time. A tech panel that didn't review them would be negligent.
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Who is saying that a tech panel should not conduct reviews when it's necessary @mag? No one has said that Mirai hasn't had a tendency to under-rotate some of her jumps. But there's also been occasions where she's been dinged for URs when they aren't visible in real time or in slo-mo. Since she has had that unfortunate UR tendency, it has led to a negative rep, and some judges can tend to see under-rotations where it's questionable whether she actually under-rotated. Surely, this is not news to you. :duh:

And since you seem to know so much about the remedy, please break down what 'all the standard exercises' are to correct URs and two-footing. :COP:
 
Had not seen this posted....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZPkIbggksh/?taken-by=ashwagner2010

Wagner is going back to Moulin Rouge...
  • "ashwagner2010: This is my journey, and my choice. Going back to Moulin Rouge is what truly makes me happy, this character is someone I feel so tied to. This piece has always been something I identify so strongly with, and hopefully it will take me through #pyeongchang2018 on this long and winding road! Here’s to not looking back and doing what you love most
    P.S. Special thanks to the ever so amazing @benjischwimmer for bringing this back to life!"
 
Debbie S said:
Ashley and C/B have good speed and power so I doubt the tempo of the faster cuts would have been a problem.
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Skating with quickness and skating with power/ice speed are not the same thing. Some skaters are good at one and not so good at the other, in both directions.

mag said:
I would like to see a cumulative penalty for < and << in the same fashion as the new cumulative penalty for falls. It seems drastically unfair to double penalize someone who falls on a fully rotated triple while someone who can cheat essentially all their triples by up to half a rotation, and there only penalty is 70% base value and a bit of negative GOE. We are going to see A LOT more cheated jumps as skaters do anything to avoid the now over the top fall deductions.
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For tiny skaters learning doubles, cheating rotation on purpose to stand up can be a viable strategy (but noton e that will serve them well in the long term). But with double axels, triples, and quads, it seems that falls are more likely with underrotated than with fully rotated jumps. It's not usually an either/or choice that can be made strategically.

AngieNikodinovLove said:
I ALWAYS wondered what happened to Ludmila.. I only remember her for one season......
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Last I heard, coaching in Virginia: https://www.skatequest.com/about-skate-quest/our-coaches/
 
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