U.S. Ice Dance 2018-19 season news & updates

I assume it's a typo for Amoia/Becker? Technically the Greens have not yet been assigned to #7 Yerevan (their names are placeholders on the ISU entry list). Hopefully they will be fine and will be able to train well for Sectionals/Nationals in the weeks and months ahead.

Rachel and Michael Parsons are in 2nd (68.20) after the Rhythm Dance at Lombardia Trophy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNV6X9ZlgY
 
I assume it's a typo for Amoia/Becker? Technically the Greens have not yet been assigned to #7 Yerevan (their names are placeholders on the ISU entry list). Hopefully they will be fine and will be able to train well for Sectionals/Nationals in the weeks and months ahead.

Rachel and Michael Parsons are in 2nd (68.20) after the Rhythm Dance at Lombardia Trophy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNV6X9ZlgY
I think for Efimova/Petrov who are assigned to Slovenia. I assume the poster is hoping G/G will be there so they can still have two assignments.
 
Rachel & Michael Parsons won the silver medal at Lombardia Trophy today (170.68 total, 102.48 in FD) - their "To Build A Home" free dance is blocked in U.S. on YT (music copyright issue) so thank you to the helpful person who made this video and posted the link in the Kiss & Cry section: https://streamable.com/kyqbg

JGP Canada (Richmond/Vancouver) results from last night:

5th - Eliana GROPMAN / Ian SOMERVILLE USA 141.55 5 (57.30) 6 (84.25) [RD Video] [FD Video]

7th - Emma GUNTER / Caleb WEIN USA 135.78 6 (56.12) 8 (79.66) [RD Video] [FD Video]
 
7th - Emma GUNTER / Caleb WEIN USA 135.78 6 (56.12) 8 (79.66) [RD Video] [FD Video]

This gives Gunter & Wein the highest U.S. junior dance score outside of the two teams that have medaled (Nguyen & Kolesnik and Gropman & Somerville).

JGP U.S. Dance Scores:
161.84 Nguyen & Kolesnik
148.51 Gropman & Somerville
141.55 Gropman & Somerville
135.78 Gunter & Wein
127.48 Elders
124.75 Browns
123.02 Haines & Koszuta
122.09 DelCamp & Gart

(I would like to point out that Gunter & Wein just outscored their mark from Lake Placid International by 4 points here. If Amoia & Becker did that, their score would be in the 126 range, right in the mix with the teams that have already been selected. Totally valid to give teams that have already gone a second spot, but it would also be valid to invite A&B. Either way, IMO).
 
Yes, I listed all the top 20 summer scores on post #102 earlier (and--sigh--didn't write G&W's in correctly in that post now that I look back at it. It should have said 131.35). I wanted to see what happened with Gunter & Wein's score on the JGP, though, because we often see teams judged on a tougher scale in international events than in domestic ones. (True for the Russian dance teams & Canadian dance teams as well). And unlike all the other U.S. junior teams in the hunt for the JGP this summer, Amoia & Becker only had that one international score. They didn't have a domestic one. Anyway, all the teams that competed in the domestic competition at Lake Placid saw their scores drop on the JGP. Not all of them dropped a lot. Gropman & Somerville's ISU PB score is very close to their score in the domestic event at Lake Placid. And, very often, it takes time to prove yourself on the international scene just as it takes time at home.

But Gunter & Wein's score just went up 4 points, making them the first U.S. team to outscore their mark from Lake Placid this summer. And they are the first team on the JGP that competed in the international portion of the event at Lake Placid. Doesn't mean Amoia & Becker's scores would go up. Makita & Gunara's did not. I was just curious because comparing domestic and international scores often isn't the same playing field.

There are two teams, thus far, to best their at-home summer's best scores on the JGP:
Nguyen & Kolesnik and Gunter & Wein

Kudos to both because that is not easy.
 
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"apples to apples"
Haines /Koszuta Novice Champs 2016-17; 7th place and personal best at their first Junior Nationals 2017-18,
Each with over a decade of strong work ethic, not academic or formulaic, and unlike some of the Russians
they look like a real dance team with Equality and artistry. (real maturity)
These kids skate like they are "touching the universe", very under appreciated IMO.
https://youtu.be/GujsGWQZ5KI
 
Yes, I listed all the top 20 summer scores on post #102 earlier (and--sigh--didn't write G&W's in correctly in that post now that I look back at it. It should have said 131.35). I wanted to see what happened with Gunter & Wein's score on the JGP, though, because we often see teams judged on a tougher scale in international events than in domestic ones. (True for the Russian dance teams & Canadian dance teams as well). And unlike all the other U.S. junior teams in the hunt for the JGP this summer, Amoia & Becker only had that one international score. They didn't have a domestic one. Anyway, all the teams that competed in the domestic competition at Lake Placid saw their scores drop on the JGP. Not all of them dropped a lot. Gropman & Somerville's ISU PB score is very close to their score in the domestic event at Lake Placid. And, very often, it takes time to prove yourself on the international scene just as it takes time at home.

But Gunter & Wein's score just went up 4 points, making them the first U.S. team to outscore their mark from Lake Placid this summer. And they are the first team on the JGP that competed in the international portion of the event at Lake Placid. Doesn't mean Amoia & Becker's scores would go up. Makita & Gunara's did not. I was just curious because comparing domestic and international scores often isn't the same playing field.

There are two teams, thus far, to best their at-home summer's best scores on the JGP:
Nguyen & Kolesnik and Gunter & Wein

Kudos to both because that is not easy.
my point...i think H/K have proven themselves...we'll see what they can do at home
 
I just watched Nguyen/Vadym's FD. Anyone else think the music cuts don't work? The transition between the songs right now is too abrupt, IMO. It was reaching the full climax in the first piece and instead it just cuts out to the softest part of the second piece.
 
It's been a season of firsts for these junior dance teams

1st medal on JGP
Gropman/Somerville, Nguyen/Kolesnik

1st time getting a second assignment
Elder/Elder

1st JGP assignment
DelCamp/Gart, Haines/Koszuta, Brown/Brown, Wolfkostin/Zhao (confirmed for JGP#5), Efimova/Petrov (confirmed for JGP#6)

The entries for JGP#7 are not yet confirmed. Gunter/Wein should get a second based on their 135.78 score at their first event. Green/Green, if recovered, would make their season debut here. If not, the decision of the final spot will likely come down to Brown/Brown or Amoia/Becker.
 
Thrilled for McNamara & Carpenter's silver over Popova & Mozgov at Nepela today. Five Challenger events in and the young U.S. teams of M&C, the Parsons, and Carreira & Ponomarenko have earned silver at all four events they have entered. Gosh this could be a great battle to watch over the next four years. If everyone stays on the lists, next week we get a head-to-head between the Parsons and Carreira & Ponomarenko at Nebelhorn. And then Hawayek & Baker at Finlandia.
 
Thrilled for McNamara & Carpenter's silver over Popova & Mozgov at Nepela today. Five Challenger events in and the young U.S. teams of M&C, the Parsons, and Carreira & Ponomarenko have earned silver at all four events they have entered. Gosh this could be a great battle to watch over the next four years. If everyone stays on the lists, next week we get a head-to-head between the Parsons and Carreira & Ponomarenko at Nebelhorn. And then Hawayek & Baker at Finlandia.
Popova&Mozgov have a great potential and exciting to watch. They have a room to grow. McNamara & Carpenter on the other hand have just technique which is already at a very high level but not much more.
 
Popova&Mozgov have a great potential and exciting to watch. They have a room to grow. McNamara & Carpenter on the other hand have just technique which is already at a very high level but not much more.

I strongly disagree. I already see so much improvement in M/C's expression since last season. I think this FD style was a great choice for them to stretch themselves and to grow. With their high-level technique in place, they can continue to focus on bringing out the emotion in their programs. I see a lot of untapped energy there.
 
I strongly disagree. I already see so much improvement in M/C's expression since last season. I think this FD style was a great choice for them to stretch themselves and to grow. With their high-level technique in place, they can continue to focus on bringing out the emotion in their programs. I see a lot of untapped energy there.
Someone said that M/C tango is about how much she does not want to be with him...
 
That's a lot like Griskhuk/Platov's masterpiece of a Tango OD as well. Pasha was like "not so fast!" to Evgeny.
 
Popova&Mozgov have a great potential and exciting to watch. They have a room to grow. McNamara & Carpenter on the other hand have just technique which is already at a very high level but not much more.
In Ice Dancing technique is crucial if you want to be successful as a team. McNamara & Carpenter have always been strong skaters and i see them getting better as they get older and more experienced. Popova&Mozgov on the other hand are limited because she's a weak skater compared to the other ladies in ice dance and all the over the top expressions won't make up for weak skating skills.
 
In Ice Dancing technique is crucial if you want to be successful as a team. McNamara & Carpenter have always been strong skaters and i see them getting better as they get older and more experienced. Popova&Mozgov on the other hand are limited because she's a weak skater compared to the other ladies in ice dance and all the over the top expressions won't make up for weak skating skills.

I believe that there are limitations in ice dace that team cannot overcome, no chemistry or connection is one of them, Popova is not that bad and Mozgov is made for ice dance.
 
M/C fd is one of my favorites. Nice, smooth movement, lovely transitions, lifts that have good timing to the music. I'm really loving this "calm" dance for them and think they pull it off soundly. I can tell they've been together for 13 years. :)
 
McNamara & Carpenter have a solid base of skills, which is exactly where potential lies. (This is where I interrupt this post to celebrate because I just realized yesterday that they earned Level 4 on their one-foot step sequence at Nepela and at Lake Placid International also this season:biggrinbo. These are M&C's first senior level 4s for a step sequence, and I believe McNamara & Carpenter are the first senior team on the Challenger Series to earn one this year. There are many teams that go their entire careers without earning a level four footwork sequence. To me, that has been the ultimate technical threshold over the past quad).

M&C also happen to be my favorite performers of this upcoming generation--the teams that have transferred up from juniors since the Sochi Olympics. I'm not sure where this sudden myth is coming from that M&C are only technical skaters, but I can't take it seriously. I don't fall in love with teams based solely on technique, and I fell hook, line, and sinker for this team back when they mountain-trolled their way through the waltz in 2016. Though I've liked them since I first saw their international-flavored SD in 2014.

I would have to rewatch, but I'm not sure if the above description of their tango is accurate. Perhaps it has been confused with the storyline from their tango last season? The beginning of their program this season is lovely, light, and in sync; and following the more intense tango section, the final position is intimate and soft. (If she wants to get away, I don't think she still wants it at the end). I'm quite impressed that this year's tango is so different from their FD last year. I worried that they might modify the old program, but they didn't. They've tried something with a completely different feel.

Also they have brand new elements in both programs this season. They've been working on low-positioned dance spins for the past couple years, and after getting dinged on the levels in the fall, have had to throw out the element mid-season; but they've kept working. The spin has evolved each season, and I believe the new rendition just received the highest GOE of all their elements in the FD. Also the lift in the RD is new. They introduced a similar over-the-shoulder position in 2016-17 and had to take it out before the end of the season (maybe they didn't feel it was ready to get the GOE?). But it's back with a tango-flavored second position, and already improved from their debut this summer. I'm excited to see that they didn't give up. They've kept after these difficult, original elements, working on getting them competition-level ready. (Plus her position in one of the other lifts in the FD is fabulous). These elements are brand new. If they keep working and keep polishing, those GOE marks have the potential to go up.

As for Popova & Mozgov, I like them together. They seem to be two peas in a pod personality-wise. I think she brings out more in him. They are a worthy foe for the young U.S. teams, and I like their RD. I don't yet like this new FD of theirs; but I can't see Betina's expression on the Nepela camera, and I know she'll sell the story to the hilt. (I remember that she managed to sell me on her Master & Margarita program even when it was supposed to be a waltz back in the fall of 2015).
 
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Dobre, you make your case for M/C well. Personally of the younger teams,I prefer H/B, C/P and the Parsons siblings over M/C. Until this season Lorraine and Quinn's skating just seemed frantic to me, speed for speed's sake, getting the elements done well but with little finesse and refinement. I think this year's program is better for them. We'll see how they do this season, but their competition domestically is brutal.
 
Until this season Lorraine and Quinn's skating just seemed frantic to me, speed for speed's sake, getting the elements done well but with little finesse and refinement.

Grishuk & Platov were my greatest love as a dance team. The term "frantic" was always used by critics deriding them as a young team for their greatest strengths (speed & footwork). I find that when I hear the term, I often want to see the team and the program. There is great dynamism and intensity in what G&P became during those final two seasons after harnessing their power, but also terrific energy & excitement in those early years. I fell in love with the latter first. Not to compare M&C to G&P. Only to explain why, ironically, the term "frantic" always spins positive in my brain.

Also, what is speed for speed's sake? It's probably the greatest determining factor in who wins. It impacts the difficulty of every element, GOE, and PCS. The greatest teams perform with speed. Even while skating to soft, gentle, or flowing music, they fly.

To me, there is real value in encouraging teams to be sharper and purposeful with their movement. With that, I agree. There's a very special kind of unison that you see among the top teams that tends to be a real separator. But powerful, dynamic, and fast--those are great attributes.
 
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