My apologies if your comment was a little joke and you are being sarcastic and I've missed the point.I don’t recall reading similar criticism of his skating or his marks. His weaknesses were conveniently ignored. Why? Due to his gender or his country or his coach? (After all Trusova is coached by the evil Eteri- sarcasm of course)
I have to admit Nathan Chen did have very significantly developed skating skills when he was a little boy in novice a decade ago. He was doing edge pulls, spread eagles, footwork in both directions ... I mean Scott Hamilton commented on the edges in his step sequence, saying "It's too soon!"Nathan is a bit different though, because he always had the ability to be artistic, but it was shoved to the side for quads.
Yes and I think that's what heightened the criticism of the quads taking up so much time and space in the programs because everyone knew what he was more than capable of in the artistic realm.
There have been "complete skater" ladies champions. Michelle Kwan, who started out as a jumping bean and not particularly artistic, developed into an artist with great skating skills as she grew. Yuna Kim was always a good jumper, her artistry improved as she developed.I prefer more complete skaters, but this judging system doesn’t reward the complete skater.
Often it is hard to teach older skaters new jumps because they have lost their "fearlessness", and using a skater like Mirai Nagasu as a counterpoint is not correct because she had been working on the 3A off and on since she was a junior skater in elementary school.And on the flip side... is there something stopping complete skaters from upping the difficulty of their jump content?
It is not a Samurai program. Abe no Seimei was a shaman-like historical figure in Japan history. Legends say his father was a human but his mother was a fox demon. In short, he was an exorcist.I'm glad that Yuzuru's samurai program was the gold medal face of the Olympics.
I know exactly what you mean. If ...and this is a big if..she has a growth spurt and loses her quads, there is nothing there. The public tunes in to see the great Trusova /quad artist and it is much ado about nothing. She's been replaced with someone younger who in 18 months will be replaced within 18 months. No continuity for fans. No face to market to casual fans. Inevitably, there will be interviews with limping 19 year olds mourning their flowers for Algernon moment of brilliance.I don’t like the idea of ladies skating being viewed as something that athletes have to get over and done with by school leaving age. Why even bother then. Just skip the sport.
So different to a sport like tennis where there are champions everyone follows for a long time and come to love. Imagine tennis without Williams, Nadal, Federer etc.
This,along with going back to 6.0,is the only answer.Bring back figures
If that happens long-term, my fear is that many (more) skaters will try to starve themselves to have a pre-pubescent girl's body. Obviously eating disorders are already a big problem in the sport but we've seen women win worlds in recent years while not being stick figures. What if the need for multiple quads means this is no longer possible?Since we don't know the future, this season she's the skater to beat. If ladies skating competition medalists are the next 15 year old with the skills, that's what it is.
yes, but even the Michelle Kwan was not rewarded when jumping bean she was. Judges sent her clear message of needing to improve the presentation mark. And she did. Trusova has no reason to improve when rewarded for quads and only quads with such high scoring. I don’t know if her future will hold a complete skater when she has no incentive for improving. Just maybe more jumps. If her body holds up. And maybe it will. But maybe a younger more complete quad jumper will come.There have been "complete skater" ladies champions. Michelle Kwan, who started out as a jumping bean and not particularly artistic, developed into an artist with great skating skills as she grew. Yuna Kim was always a good jumper, her artistry improved as she developed.
Trusova, along with the other young jumping phenoms, may very well do the same.
And on the flip side... is there something stopping complete skaters from upping the difficulty of their jump content?
I don't believe Trusova is starving. She has a small body because she is young, but she has the muscles to do powerful jumps.If that happens long-term, my fear is that many (more) skaters will try to starve themselves to have a pre-pubescent girl's body. Obviously eating disorders are already a big problem in the sport but we've seen women win worlds in recent years while not being stick figures. What if the need for multiple quads means this is no longer possible?
This isn't the young skaters' fault (although I do hope their puberty isn't being artificially delayed) and I don't think they should be prevented from doing quads. But I worry.
I agree they are all athletes who set their own agendas and goals. But I also agree with others that program component scores are being inflated for more "athletic" skaters and that is an unjust way to award points, which determines which skaters go home with medals.Since we don't know the future, this season she's the skater to beat. If ladies skating competition medalists are the next 15 year old with the skills, that's what it is. And, the 2022 Olympic medalists may not be any of the current Russian seniors. Nobody knows. But, overall, the women skaters are athletes same as the men. And they're the ones who've decided they can do what the men can do. They've set a new standard in women's skating. Fans may or may not like it, but that's the fan's problem and not the skater. They have a different agenda.
Ditto!I don't love Trusova's skating per se, but I absolutely admire her. And she's totally adorable.
That's nobody's fault but the judges. No skater or coach should be blamed for that. This venom against these girls by some peeps is despicable. And I'm not even a nice person myself.Sigh. This feels like the same conversations that have been going on re: ladies skating, only now intensified and/or made worse by this quad thing which is not balancing skating (technical plus quality skating skills and artistry).
Heya, Nostradamus.The ISU has no choice. They must ban all eteri girls and eteri herself from coaching until the investigation into her starving girls is complete
She is still very much pre pubescent (therefore no hips etc) until she has enough body fat to go through it (Puberty), That is required as opposed to muscle. If she can still do quads after that will be amazing as women are typically at such a disadvantage physically with their body changes. Even if they stay very slender, hips an shoulder’s make a difference as we see with Medvedeva. So much harder to rotate. BUT ... You cant take away her amazing accomplishment she has really pushed the envelope for women‘s skating, bravo to her!It's interesting - Trusova is going through a slight growth spurt already, but it hasn't yet had any detrimental affect yet (perhaps maybe on the 4 sal, which doesn't appear to be that stable anymore).
Let's discuss these quad wonder girls AFTER they aren't starved so they don't hit puberty.
Eteri's students sure have a lot of energy for being starved. They must train a lot and they have good ice coverage for 4 minutes straight and do a lot of leaping and arm waving.The ISU has no choice. They must ban all eteri girls and eteri herself from coaching until the investigation into her starving girls is complete
Not really - just look at Hanyu, who might arguably be the sports' biggest megastar ever. Only for ladies do we have this issue.With skaters being replaced by the next big thing on a regular basis, it is very hard to build any kind of long - term appreciation or continuity for developing stars. The era of a Michelle Kwan has well and truly passed.