Tonya Harding to appear at Alamo Drafthouse in Austin

Ask her if she ever apologized to Josee. Ask her why she thinks she deserves to profit off of assaulting Nancy. Ask her if she knows she is extremely fortunate she didn’t go to jail because she should have.

Why should she? Tonya wasn’t the one to tell Josee to get a move on. Presumably, the ref did.

Why? It’s her life rights. Hollywood came a-calling.

She isn’t fortunate for not having gone to jail. The DA had bupkis for a racketeering charge. Hence, no jail time.
 
"learned" how to milk this for cash which is really rather disgusting IMHO

Are you a "planned economy" type of person?

In free market economies people are supposed to do the activities that pay the most for one's time or labor. For Tonya to not do this would be not Pareto Optimal, which is bad for the economy.
 
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This one I never quite understood. As I see it, they called her name and then it took her nearly full 2 minutes to get to the ice. She started her program, skated for almost a minute, and then went over to the boards for a good minute or two.

By the time Josee’s name was called, she was probably only a minute or so earlier than she would’ve been otherwise. Didn’t Oksana have to skate around in circles for much, MUCH longer later in the night waiting to start (aside from the typical extended time it took her to get into place)?

That combined with the fact that Josee was never the model of consistency..

Kerrigan = Good. Harding = Bad.

CBS were on a ratings bonanza. They took every little detail they could scrounge up and went with it.

That is, until Nancy stuck her foot in it with her infamous make-up jab.
 
I loved Chouinard, but she had a mostly disappointing track record in international competition, either bombing the short or the free.

The one time she kind of held it together at the 1996 Champion Series Final, it was after a disaster skate at her comeback nationals, where she was left off the world team in favour of Jennifer Robinson.
 
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Amen!!!!!! Hallelujah!!!! My wife and I do not give a gosh darn about Tonia nor the reason she has two bowel's. This says it all, and; you speak for both of us.

I think something may have been lost in translation, but I'm interpreting that Tonia Kwaitkowski has two bowels? Is she the human equivalent of a cow (which has two stomachs).

At any rate, it looks like Esta has finally figured out the caps unlock button on her keyboard.
 
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I thought she did have an extra lace? The original lace broke and they re-laced her boot, it just ended up being too short.
So she brought a shoe lace that was too short for her skating boot. Most shoe laces are labeled with the length listed so you'll know what to purchase. I guess her common sense told her to buy shoe laces that would be too short for the skating boot. "Well Betcha By Golly Wow, my shoe laces will be too short when I attempt the triple axel and the triple salchow!! Wheeee!" :cheer2:
 
Seriously, the only reason we know so much about Tonya is because somebody other than Tonya in profiting way more than she is by using her as a story. Before DWTS Tonya's net worth was about $30,000, she is not rich, she is not particularly interesting in her day to day life, but the media is able to find advertisers that will sponsor stuff about Tonya. I can also understand why Tonya would take the money because I don't like mowing lawns, trimming bushes, etc.
 
Do you really think that people will come see her if she’s not going to talk about the incident? There is absolutely no other draw. So she will get up there and either whine she’s innocent or show her “you know what”.


I can’t imagine paying money to see her. She’s done her act on tv so much that this just seems bizarre. I mean what else is she going to say. How long can anyone milk this act? I’m amazed at what people will pay for.
Thank you for speaking the true words of the Lord our Holy Saver when well known "members" of this sight are paying money they have earned through long hours of punishing labor to see a woman who should of been thrown in the slammer no later than June 1987, whom has ten lives more then a cat!

Just as I spent years before I met my wonderful wife among seamen protecting our nation, so many died at the Alamo and now Tonia will show up and dessecrate this godly land-mark from roof to basement! The building will need to be exercised when she is thorough with it.

But worst of all, will she really show her you know what. Does that mean there will be naked parts involved in this "appearence"? Things are getting more and more evil, that is the last thing I will say now I will go turn off the electricity so my wife and I can pray quietly in dark-ness.
 
Thank you for speaking the true words of the Lord our Holy Saver ...

I have read the Bible all the way through, multiple times over, often after working hard days helping the sick at home and abroad, and no where does Jesus, the Apostles, or the Prophets speak of Tonya Harding.

Just as I spent years before I met my wonderful wife among seamen protecting our nation ...

We know. You also told us what you used to do with the boys on the boat and what you used to do at the friendly ports.

But worst of all, will she really show her you know what.

Why? I thought you stopped going to those kinds of shows after you left the Navy, or would you go to this because Tonya is not exotic in the way you think some women are exotic. I am guessing you just think of her as "not the marrying type" rather than exotic :blah:
 
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I have read the Bible all the way through, multiple times over, often after working hard days helping the sick at home and abroad, and no where does Jesus, the Apostles, or the Prophets speak of Tonya Harding.



We know. You also told us what you used to do with the boys on the boat and what you used to do at the friendly ports.



Why? I thought you stopped going to those kinds of shows after you left the Navy, or would you go to this because Tonya is not exotic in the way you think some women are exotic. I am guessing you just think of her as "not the marrying type" rather than exotic :blah:



FFS - you do realize you're giving it just what it wants? :rolleyes:
 
Even as someone who wanted Tonya to do well in 94, I always kind of had a nagging feeling she might have done the lace thing on purpose because she was taking the chance that the judges would let her skate later in that group putting her closer to the final group. However, there is a video on YouTube in HD from Japan and from that camera`s vantage point you can clearly see her skates are not in good shape (like pieces of leather have broken off around the eyelets) so anyway seeing that video makes her story more believable to me now.

Oh...And edited to add I think her short program skate was strong enough she should have been higher, maybe at least fifth or sixth, and probably should have been in that final group.
 
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I do wonder why she didn’t bring two pairs of skates like she’s indicated to reporters after a previous (precious) mishap. I can only assume the scrutiny and pressure must have been immeasurable.
 
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There's a video with the referee from the ladies' event in 94 where she explains the situation with the laces.

https://vimeo.com/78253552

The part about Lillehammer starts at about the 45 minute mark. They had to give Tonya time to find a replacement lace under the rules at the time. She could have broken her foot if she had tried to jump again.

The referee also mentions that Tonya kept re-tying her right skate during the practices and she was wondering why. When she saw her boot up-close she understood that it was because the actual boot was in horrible shape. IIRC, Tonya had broken/torn her right skate in practice before nationals. Jeff's sister was a seamstress and put it back together for her. I guess with everything else going on, she didn't have time to break in new boots before the Olympics?

I remember reading somewhere that she was freaking out backstage and actually smoked a cigarette to calm her nerves before she went back out to skate the second time! LOL
 
Oh that’s good. A person with asthma smoking. LOL. She’s a riot. But I still am not paying to watch the sideshow. Actually find it kind of sad that at her age she is still milking this incident. Lots of us make mistakes and move on, this many years afterwards it just seems sad that people even want to go see her and that she still willing to be exploited this way. I think it’s a lot about her self image and that’s just sad


She needs to take a page from Nancy’s book and move on and quit discussing it. Until she can that’s all she’s going to right remembered for
 
My wife and I have six questions for Tonia.

1. What lead you to becoming addicted to cigarettes or as I reefer to them Satan's straws?

2. How could you of continued to smoke when representing USA at highest levels?

3. How dare you make people pay there money to see you any-where but in the slammer where you should be.

4. You are a sad woman who will be remember for nothing but use of addictive substances and a cold blooded crime, how can you accept this!

5. Every time you are given a mike you say oh here are my excuses no one gave me the benefit, poor me my sad story of sadness. When are you going to stop saying the same thing so many times you are like a broken record.
 
:lol: Seriously this thread. :duh: But I suppose it's not much different from the mash-up in the original I Tonya thread, which I stopped following a third of the way through. Not because it wasn't interesting, but because I wanted to see the movie before partaking in any more conversation. But by that time, the thread had ballooned out of all proportion to my ability to keep up. :p

I don't blame you for being angry at her. I'm one of the few people in the middle of the love/hate for Tonya.

Tonya was raised to do one thing and one thing only, skate, and the USFSA encouraged that; and they were aware of her situation and did nothing. The USFSA never answered for their complicity in shaping her to be what she was. And they topped this off by making millions of extra dollars over the next decade riding on the prurient interests of the crowd (and failed miserably on converting it to long-term fandom) and they cut her a raw deal by stealing the one thing that she could do from her.

I just think that sports organizations have a limited guardian responsibility to ensure that children involved in their sport at a high level have a safe, sane and well-rounded situation. It could have made a great difference for Tonya. I don't excuse her behavior, and yeah, it's crossed my mind that calling her on her shit could be interesting. I'm an American and we're supposed to be about second chances. I'll go and hope to see that maybe she's learned something.

Yeah, I mostly agree with you. Still, few things are exactly black or white in this world. It's much more complicated. There were people in the skating community who reached out to Tonya back-in-the-day, but apparently her difficult upbringing led to her being very rebellious and lacking in ability to easily trust those who might actually have been able to help. Instead, Tonya threw herself apparently subconsciously headlong into being with a person who abused her and took her down the wrong road.

I absolutely agree about US fed foolish complicity, particularly regarding their WTF decisionmaking surrounding crushing the pro tour in the aftermath of bull market years post Tonya/Nancy 'scandalous' ratings bonanza, which certainly did wonders for the sport's growth. NOT! :wall: Also in those days there was a tendency to expect skaters to conform to carefully set images and strictures. That was not Tonya's vibe! It should have been taken into consideration that she was never going to be an ice princess, and that her not being a typical ice princess was actually a good thing. But US fed and the ISU in general have for far too long been run by old-fashioned, elitist-minded, conservative thinkers who make choices in an overly politicized, status quo fashion.

IMO, the US fed never thoughtfully nor wisely took advantage of the 1-2-3 U.S. ladies podium sweep of 1991 either. It's the same refrain today: Fresh up-to-date vision, leadership, and outside-the-box thinking are sorely needed.

As far as 2018 Tonya, I agree that she deserves the opportunities she's been receiving to improve her lot in life. How many years is she required to be banned and vilified? OTOH, I believe that Hollywood obviously over-dramatized the story and slanted it in Tonya's favor, as Hollywood tends to do. And there are too many people who don't understand what really happened, and so Tonya is being given too much sob-story sympathy in many quarters. I also agree that Tonya doesn't fully acknowledge her actual role in the affair, but it does strike me that she's learned some hard lessons over the years, and she's come out a bit more mellow and savvy on the other side. Some younger people may not realize, but Tonya used to say the most ignorant, prejudiced things back-in-the-day, likely as a result of her limited and abusive upbringing. So at least in some respects, she seems to have learned how better to conduct herself in the public eye.

I can totally understand why no one would have wished to skate with Tonya in the years following the infamous incident. So there were valid reasons why she was banned. But it seems to me that Tonya has paid a heavy price for her mistakes. I'm personally not hung up on her being able to enjoy a second act. It was a shame that a skater with such huge talent was unable to contribute to advancing the sport through fully developing her career. Although, maybe it wouldn't have been possible anyway due to Tonya's rebellious obstinacy and wrongheadedness. But when I look back at the power, sass and precision of Tonya's skating, I shake my head sometimes and wonder what could have been.
 
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OTOH, I believe that Hollywood obviously over-dramatized the story and slanted it heavily in Tonya's favor, as Hollywood tends to do. And there are too many people who don't understand what really happened, and so Tonya is being given too much sob-story sympathy in many quarters.

This is where you begin to lose me. In 1994, the story was told mainly through the “vicarious Nancy’s” in the media to satisfy the public’s thirst for a female villain. Thusly, turning the Ladies Figure Skating event into a virtual catfight and ratings bonanza.

I, Tonya is Tonya’s (and to a lesser extent, Jeff’s) version of events. Frankly, after 24 years I think she finally deserves to be heard. Of course, she has done documentary interviews, but they tend not to be as viscerally effective nor have the immense viewership of a Hollywood film. The fortunate thing is we still have many of the old articles on the Internet, as well as YouTube to cross-reference with the film. Especially for the younger folks without a living memory of the scandal.
 
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This is where you begin to lose me. In 1994, the story was told mainly through the “vicarious Nancy’s” in the media to satisfy the public’s thirst for a female villain. Thusly, turning the Ladies Figure Skating event into a virtual catfight and ratings bonanza.

I, Tonya is Tonya’s (and to a lesser extent, Jeff’s) version of events. Frankly, after 24 years I think she finally deserves to be heard. Of course, she has done documentary interviews, but they tend not to be as viscerally effective nor have the immense viewership of a Hollywood film. The fortunate thing is we still have many of the old articles on the Internet, as well as YouTube to cross-reference with the film. Especially for the younger folks without a living memory of the scandal.

Tonya found herself caught betwixt and between at the time. It's still unclear how much she actually knew about the plot. But she did know something was being planned and she did participate, even if unwittingly or even somewhat unwillingly. She doesn't appear to have truly acknowledged or admitted her role. She had plentiful opportunities to speak and to tell the truth at the time, but the damage was done once she tripped herself up with lies. And yes, she may not have been believed had she told the truth from the beginning. But lying did not help her.

Also, I'm not sure how many people go to the trouble of cross-referencing written reports from the time against dramatized film re-enactments. And just because the media went too far in one direction at the time, does not mean everything should flip completely in the opposite direction 24 years later. There is such a thing as balance.

Hollywood always over-dramatizes. That's the nature of the business. I do think they did a fairly good job with this production, because they decided on an approach that worked, a kind of half-serious black comedy. And the acting is very good too. Obviously, so much time has passed that there are young people who really don't know all aspects of what really happened. I'm not saying that as any kind of punishing view toward Tonya. The entire story is complicated. So once again, the filmmakers (no matter whether they understood the complexities of the back-stories) did a good job of deciding on a workable angle and format that covered as much of the main events as could be covered within a feature-length time-frame. The story is told from both Tonya's and Jeff's points of view.

By the very nature of trying to document a true-life story, large parts of it are going to be left out, so that's not a knock. As a dedicated figure skating fan, I lived through every minute of the Tonya/Nancy story and it's aftermath. I was working in the media at the time, so I know there were some journalists who made an attempt to bring Tonya's side of the story to light, but they were mostly drowned out. I was personally sympathetic toward Tonya at the time because I admired her talent, and I knew there were many complexities involved that were being ignored by major news media. It was not the black/white, ice princess vs trailer trash simplistic myth that was so easy to paint. Ultimately, it wasn't even about Tonya vs Nancy. It was about a cultural drama played out as a Greek tragedy.
 
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Tonya found herself caught betwixt and between at the time. It's still unclear how much she actually knew about the plot. But she did know something was being planned and she did participate, even if unwittingly or even somewhat unwillingly. She doesn't appear to have truly acknowledged or admitted her role. She had plentiful opportunities to speak and to tell the truth at the time, but the damage was done once she tripped herself up with lies. And yes, she may not have been believed had she told the truth from the beginning. But lying did not help her.

I think Tonya "heard" about the letter to Nancy's rink plan (not the wack at nationals plan), but did not take Shaw Eckardt seriously because he was obviously an idiot, so she assumed he was also somebody that would not follow through . . . And it turned out he was an idiot that did follow through.
 
Tonya found herself caught betwixt and between at the time. It's still unclear how much she actually knew about the plot. But she did know something was being planned and she did participate, even if unwittingly or even somewhat unwillingly. She doesn't appear to have truly acknowledged or admitted her role. She had plentiful opportunities to speak and to tell the truth at the time, but the damage was done once she tripped herself up with lies. And yes, she may not have been believed had she told the truth from the beginning. But lying did not help her.

Also, I'm not sure how many people go to the trouble of cross-referencing written reports from the time against dramatized film re-enactments. And just because the media went too far in one direction at the time, does not mean everything should flip completely in the opposite direction 24 years later. There is such a thing as balance.

Lots of people go down the “YouTube rabbit hole” especially where it comes to true stories. Others may just take the movie at face value, but even they have relatives that remember the 1994 Olympics that will shed their own light on the film’s version of events. Not to mention, on social media.

By the title alone, you can tell the film is going to be a one-sided viewpoint. in 1994 it was the prosecution’s side as told by the media. “I, Tonya” is the defense table’s side. There was no “balance” in the 24 intervening years if that’s what you mean.
 
Lots of people go down the “YouTube rabbit hole” especially where it comes to true stories. Others may just take the movie at face value, but even they have relatives that remember the 1994 Olympics that will shed their own light on the film’s version of events. Not to mention, on social media.

By the title alone, you can tell the film is going to be a one-sided viewpoint. in 1994 it was the prosecution’s side as told by the media. “I, Tonya” is the defense table’s side. There was no “balance” in the 24 intervening years if that’s what you mean.

Again, I'm not arguing about how the film was made, and the way they chose to tell the story. It's a complicated story to re-enact for a Hollywood movie. There were so many directions to go in. So I think they chose a good approach and a format that worked really well. Obviously a decision was made early on to focus on Tonya's and Jeff's perspectives which leaves out a great deal of background which could have shed more light on the character motivations and the complexities involved in figure skating itself. But I realize that a 2 1/2 hour movie has to focus. So we get the broad brush strokes with some specific highlights and some camp.

The final product is crafted well enough that some people may be inspired to delve deeper and to learn more about the actual events. But most people tend to believe what they see on the screen. Even the actors have mouthed simplistic tropes, because they are only familiar with the script for the most part. Another thing to recognize though is that published reports from the time often contain simplistic viewpoints and inaccuracies. To truly understand Tonya and what happened to her, one needs to understand figure skating culture, and I don't see that happening anytime soon for the general populace. :D

I certainly did not say there was ever any 'balance' to the story in intervening years. What I'm saying is that I prefer to look at it in a balanced and thoughtful way because I lived through it, and I understand a lot about figure skating and about American culture.

I can see where we may agree, and where you tend to disagree with my observations. I don't give Tonya a complete pass, but I respect her humanity and the fact that she was dealt some tough cards. And I lament the fact that she was not able to develop her skating talent to its fullest potential. But she made crucial missteps in her life that maybe she's found it difficult to fully acknowledge. Sure it's cruel to have a mother that abusive and uncaring. I don't even know how hard it would be to cope with that reality -- some part of who you are must die having to deal with such unrelenting physical and emotional abuse. It was unfortunate that Tonya was unable to grab ahold of the belief in her that the good people in her life offered, and continue holding on for dear life. Due to complicated motivations, Tonya unfortunately became caught up in an abuse cycle with Jeff Gillooly which took her down the wrong path. At some point, we all have to accept personal responsibility for our lives, our choices, our mistakes.
 
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Just to set us back on track.....

The only serious questions I have seen are
1) two bowls at USNats
2) jump combos

I was actually thinking to ask her about how she was the first US Lady to complete the 3A in competition and I've seen in interviews that Mirai said she and her coach actually studied the men jumpers to work on mechanics; Does she think that since she was always told that she skated "like a man", that she might have also had a jumping technique that had mechanics more like the guys? It need smoothing out, but I hope that thought makes sense.
 

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