"The Runthrough" podcast with Adam & Ashley

[kwanette]

I just finished listening to it this morning. I was going to message you to see if you listened and if you did how you're doing.

I had to listen in portions and had too many deep sighs to count.

Aww, you are sweet..I was adding my own comments..but my mic was muted.

 

[VGThuy]

In retrospect, with over two decades to think about this, that 2001-02 season sounded like a cry for help. I can’t even prepare myself for what will happen to Kwan in the 2005-06 season. She’s the reason I don’t get as personally invested in skaters, with the Shibs being the exception, which surprised me. I mean I still care and have investment but not like I was with Kwan.

 

[alj5]

hat 2001-02 season sounded like a cry for help. I can’t even prepare myself for what will happen to Kwan in the 2005-06 season. She’s the reason I don’t get as personally invested in skaters, with the Shibs being the exception, which surprised me. I mean I still care and hav

Same for me. I don't know if I'll ever fall in love with a skater as much as Michelle, although Jason Brown is awfully close.

 

[viennese]

Looking back at that season, that whole time, pretty much broke me.

I had not forgotten the sadness of that year in the world. What I had forgotten, though, was how insanely long the season was for athletes. The first big event was the Goodwill Games in late August, the top skaters competed at three Grand Prix events, the Grand Prix Final required two different free skates. Insane.

 

[Matryeshka]

I really need to go back and watch these performances again, especially 1998-2008 ish, my first decade of fandom. Reason #1 is I was the epitome of nothing is more dangerous than a little bit of knowledge. Reason #2 is when I was a new skating fan I had SUCH an extreme Russian-style bias. Saying my posts/opinions from that time have not aged well would be a massive understatement.

I bet I'd have a different opinion on a lot of skaters now, not just because of COP but also I (sort of) know the rules and I'm not in the mindset that I must only go for this one type of skater.

 

[viennese]

I guess the current and recent skating seasons are also insanely long. But 2001 not only started the top three or four women facing each other in August at Goodwill Games, then the Grand Prix events had the top 3-4 facing each other multiple times even before the Grand Prix Final.How many times is an athlete supposed to peak in six or eight months?

 

[VGThuy]

One thing about Adam being the storyteller is you can tell he’s someone who had to research the past to retell what happened before 2007. As good of a job he did, there was a feeling that someone who was around at the time living through it (or someone who was a super fan of “ladies” like Michelle who did Ice Dance) would have been better. I kept thinking of small tidbits that would have made the lore even more entertaining and interesting while covering that pre-2007 period.

 

[zebobes]

Any thoughts on the behind the scenes info that Adam spilled on Miki/Yuna this runthrough? I really appreciated the personal touch that he added from training with them, and there was some juicy info that I had never heard before. His descriptions leading up to the Vancouver games was pretty amazing.

 

[VGThuy]

Any thoughts on the behind the scenes info that Adam spilled on Miki/Yuna this runthrough? I really appreciated the personal touch that he added from training with them, and there was some juicy info that I had never heard before. His descriptions leading up to the Vancouver games was pretty amazing.

I loved that part. He was in his element once he started discussing the 2007-on eras.

 

[AnnM]

I haven't finished the latest episode yet, but was nearly bawling on my way into work listening to the segment about Joannie Rochette's mom. I remember thinking how terrible it was at the time, but having lost my own parents since then, it brought a different perspective today. I cannot imagine how she managed to get through her SP just 2 days later. The grit. The muscle memory. I'm in total awe.

 

[Willin]

Any thoughts on the behind the scenes info that Adam spilled on Miki/Yuna this runthrough? I really appreciated the personal touch that he added from training with them, and there was some juicy info that I had never heard before. His descriptions leading up to the Vancouver games was pretty amazing.

The stuff about the BTS of the Brian/Yuna split was fascinating - a real "What were they thinking?" on both sides.

And while Yuna's mom came off much better than I though she would in that she seems kind to non-Yuna skaters, like how rich and/or fame-hungry was she? Like who pays to have their Korean talent agent to get a Canadian visa and sit at EVERY practice? While the therapist part is unexpected and nice, that's also crazy expensive!

 

[skatfan]

The stuff about the BTS of the Brian/Yuna split was fascinating - a real "What were they thinking?" on both sides.

And while Yuna's mom came off much better than I though she would in that she seems kind to non-Yuna skaters, like how rich and/or fame-hungry was she? Like who pays to have their Korean talent agent to get a Canadian visa and sit at EVERY practice? While the therapist part is unexpected and nice, that's also crazy expensive!

I LOVED all the (relatively innocent) tea that Adam spilled on what he saw.

Also, I forgot SO many things - Yuna going to Peter Oppegard (who is not identified as Michelle Kwan's former brother-in-law), for example.

 

[VGThuy]

I do find it entertaining but somewhat awkward to hear Sarah talk about Ashley in third person when she’s right there participating in the convo as well, especially as they’re discussing 2018 Nationals.

 

[VGThuy]

Oh gosh… going over the Avanta skating boot v. Karen Chen saga followed by Empress Tuk having the little naive girl inside her die, and segueing into the idiotic incident with Eun-Soo Lim’s agency accusing Mariah Bell of premeditated skating scraping/stabbing is opened the floodgates. I forgot about those and I forgot Med did a stint with Brian Orser.

 

[Amy L]

I forgot about those and I forgot Med did a stint with Brian Orser.

You're lucky with that. I remember being on YouTube chats during live events and the teenage Russiabots constantly spewing "Babasyan Armenian prostitute". Her leaving Russia and going to a non-Russian coach is seen as the ultimate betrayal. And of course the Russiabots immediately turn to racism if they couldn't lean on fatshaming.

 

[VGThuy]

You're lucky with that. I remember being on YouTube chats during live events and the teenage Russiabots constantly spewing "Babasyan Armenian prostitute". Her leaving Russia and going to a non-Russian coach is seen as the ultimate betrayal. And of course the Russiabots immediately turn to racism if they couldn't lean on fatshaming.

Oh man. Being a Simone Biles fan, I’m familiar.

 

[On My Own]

My favorite part is Eunsoo Lim being a teenage bitch who was bullying Marin Honda and ended up having her career ended as karma

https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/mk0ec8/the_way_raphael_handled_the_eunsoomariah/

IMO ATS constantly lies, instead we should believe the rinkside rumours of Lim being a teenage bullying bitch, from some of the same brilliant minds who tried to pretend John Coughlin was 100% not a rapist! It's good that Lim got her Karma, whereas it's disingenuous to want to see the federation that has so many predators also be banned! Would you stop to tell a lie, America haters? We know exactly what's going on now, and this is what we've DECIDED.

As Ashwagner2010 said on March 22, 2019: So I sound like I’m actively getting an education? Bless

eta: this is heavy, HEAVY sarcasm for those incapable of getting it.

 

[Willin]

I think it was pretty classy of Adam and Ashley to point out that Eunsoo was a teenager and possibly doing teenager things and leave it at that.

I'd love to know the dirty details - and you know at least Adam knows them - but they didn't blame her.

 

[On My Own]

I was pulling ISU representatives, and I was asking them "you have to explain to me, how does this happen?" I took Mao Asada by the shoulders and I shook her, and I said "this isn't fair," and I was pointing around, i was like "translate for me. somebody translate for me."

"you should have won the skating skills score. i do not get it. i am asking everybody - what happened?" I went on what I can only describe as manic episode to representatives of the ISU.

Adelina Sotnikova could at least jump, but I'm sure Wagner looked like she really wanted to be there at Boston. Probably, someone told her a medal for her was guaranteed if she turned up*.

*just a guess. and satire. again, for those who need it.