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Do we get to shout FEQ you at the officials?
Do we get to shout FEQ you at the officials?
Excellent interview with Daniel Grassl where he discusses in detail the rule changes:
Daniel Grassl: Changes in rules will not affect my content
Daniel Grassl told softening the quarantine in Italy, analyzed serious changes in the rules of figure skating.fs-gossips.com
There's no question in my mind that the nit-picky rulings on technique have greatly narrowed the numbers of viewers.
How did you figure that out? YuNa has popularized skating for Korea, and Hanyu to keep the popularity in Japan, despite whatever strange rulings on technique fans think there are. In the US, not having another Kwan-like female hurts. But even if the sport goes back to 6.0, the US viewers aren't just gonna suddenly go up.
It's more of a belief than a calculation. I believe that many viewers all over the world care much more about the performance and what the skater gives to the audience than they care about whether a jump is underrotated. (For instance, Javi Fernandez said at Worlds 2016 that what he cared most about was that the audience enjoyed his skates. Oksana Baiul said at 1993 Worlds that she cared most about entertaining the audience.) It's not just about the US. Although I'm glad for the "Q" addition; it will allow full value of the jump if it's only a little UR.How did you figure that out? YuNa has popularized skating for Korea, and Hanyu to keep the popularity in Japan, despite whatever strange rulings on technique fans think there are. In the US, not having another Kwan-like female hurts. But even if the sport goes back to 6.0, the US viewers aren't just gonna suddenly go up.
ISU Communication 2323 (Single & Pair Skating Scale of Values season 2020/21) and ISU Communication 2324 (Single & Pair Skating Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for making Grade of Execution and Program Components Season 2020/21)
Considering the worldwide COVID-19 developments and the slow re-opening of ice rinks and training activities and also based on feedback received from ISU Members, the Council decided to suspend with immediate effect the above-mentioned ISU Communications 2323 and 2324. The corresponding previous ISU Communications 2253 and 2254 remain basically in force.
The Council, in cooperation with the Single & Pair Skating Technical Committee, is currently evaluating whether and to what extent some clarifications and minor adjustments to ISU Communications 2253 and 2254 would be necessary, and if so, will issue a new ISU Communication shortly.
Many Member Federations were VERY against some of these new meticulous rules. I don’t expect them to come back with a modified version of the q or any of that- they will likely just forget the ideas even happened.
I don’t see them trying to modify the jump values to be equal ever again, either.
To be fair, we aren't privy to what they (Patrick Meier and Fedor Klimov are the ones currently on the Singles/Pairs TC: https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/about/meet-the-team/isu-office-holders/single-and-pair-skating ) may have discussed with coaches/skaters and how much of a voice they have within the Technical Committee.I just wonder why they have a Coaches and a Skaters Representative in their Technical Committee. If those presons would do their job right, they should discuss any of the TC's (I hestitate to say "stupid") ideas with the once who teach and practice every single day before putting such ideas in place to be a rule.
Found screen shots of the original ISU document in this blog: https://ameblo.jp/39figure/entry-12596488923.htmlDoes anyone have the original proposed SoV chart?
Does anyone have the original proposed SoV chart? The old link points to a new PDF with everything wiped out and it now says SUSPENDED:
https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-...1-2323-sp-sov-changes-for-season-2020-21/file
What strikes me is his attitude toward these or any rule changes: it's up to him as a skater to make the most of his ability whatever the rules decide. I think this is the attitude of most of the skaters. If they love skating and want to compete, it's up to them to do the work; it isn't in their control what the rules are or how the judges decide.
There's no question in my mind that the nit-picky rulings on technique have greatly narrowed the numbers of viewers.
And it's demonstrated all the time that there are many disagreements about URs and all the rest, so the rules don't make judging objective.
What should figure skating make one feel? At its best, it allows viewers to feel what the skater is feeling and portraying, in harmony with the music. It's a divine sport because the best figure skaters are a living conduit -- they transfer their emotions and musical sensitivity to the audiences (live and video), and because it gives the audience an experience that is so much happier than all this wrangling about what is proper technique.
It's more of a belief than a calculation. I believe that many viewers all over the world care much more about the performance and what the skater gives to the audience than they care about whether a jump is underrotated. (For instance, Javi Fernandez said at Worlds 2016 that what he cared most about was that the audience enjoyed his skates. Oksana Baiul said at 1993 Worlds that she cared most about entertaining the audience.) It's not just about the US. Although I'm glad for the "Q" addition; it will allow full value of the jump if it's only a little UR.
I think these micro-manipulations of the rules are ISU's attempt to define more of what they want to see. As @starrynights said, it promoted the beauty and the soul of figure skating when ISu started emphasizing quality in pairs.
That's a wonderful interview. What strikes me is his attitude toward these or any rule changes: it's up to him as a skater to make the most of his ability whatever the rules decide. I think this is the attitude of most of the skaters. If they love skating and want to compete, it's up to them to do the work; it isn't in their control what the rules are or how the judges decide. In his case, the changes may benefit him, but he also addresses others, such as Anna S. He turns the question to how she'll likely make an adjustment.
Someone had said this targets Eteri's group. I don't agree. Anna was jumping two quad lutzes and two triple lutzes in her FS. This skewed scores in her favor, which could be argued is in principle violating the Zayek rule. So she'll change her emphasis and make up the points somewhere else. On the other hand, couldn't one say that the changes favor Alena Kostornaia? Her favorite jump is 3flip-3toe, she said.
I've read this whole freaking thread. It's such a contrast with what the athletes say over and over and over again. They're going to skate according to what they value in skating, and it's their task to adjust and make the greatest use of it.
There's no question in my mind that the nit-picky rulings on technique have greatly narrowed the numbers of viewers. And it's demonstrated all the time that there are many disagreements about URs and all the rest, so the rules don't make judging objective. I'm not a fan of Tonya Harding, but even I, as a non-skating viewer, could see that her jumping technique was outstanding. So all this Much Ado About Nothing only makes a small population of audiences happy. And as much as some whine about proper technique, what it comes to is rewarding the skaters who were taught great technique early on. That penalizes skaters who weren't.
What should figure skating make one feel? At its best, it allows viewers to feel what the skater is feeling and portraying, in harmony with the music. It's a divine sport because the best figure skaters are a living conduit -- they transfer their emotions and musical sensitivity to the audiences (live and video), and because it gives the audience an experience that is so much happier than all this wrangling about what is proper technique.
As a comparison, I'll paraphrase a remark Jonathan Beyer made this week. On the big competition circuit for singing, there were people who relied on judgments like "you didn't double your T in the Italian words" or "you missed that eighth rest." Rather than cultivating the ability to sense if something was beautiful, or sense if the timbre was gorgeous, or if a piece was gorgeously interpreted.
And skaters can still be such a living conduit - a system can't just kill creativity, or can't do in this case. Creativity usually finds its way to combat restraints on it. ....
We've seen wonderful, moving performances under IJS, just as we did under 6.0.