The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

[Miloune]

I know the spotlight on CAN Ice Dancers is very much on V/M right now, but I need to know too. Can somebody ask them at least ? They at least need to go to waorld, I just won't understand if not, because CAN needs 3 spots for next year anyway.

(I'm serious, if someone has twitter ask them please )

What is the condition to have 3 spots? 2 in the top 10..??

 

[kittysk8ts]

What is the condition to have 3 spots? 2 in the top 10..??

Is it the same as the singles? Magic number of 13?

Post-script: Found this on Wikipedia....

Number of entries
Each national federation is entitled to send one entry per discipline. Depending on their results at the previous year's competition, some countries are allowed to send a second or third entry. If a country has only one entry, that skater/team must place in the top ten to earn a second entry and in the top two to earn three entries to next year's championships. If a country has two or three entries, their combined placement (best two) must be 28 or less to keep two entries for their country, and 13 or fewer to qualify three entries. All skaters who qualify for the free segment but place 17th or lower receive 16 placement points. All skaters who compete in the short segment but do not qualify for the free receive 18 placement points. Entries do not carry over and so countries must continue to earn their second or third spot every year.

 

[sap5]

https://www.waterloochronicle.ca/sp...ew-poje-kaitlyn-weaver-dazzle-in-pyeongchang/

Poje, 30, says the pair will take it “year by year” in terms of deciding their future in the sport but will look forward to the world championships, which take place in Milan in March

 

[Anyasnake]

What is the condition to have 3 spots? 2 in the top 10..??

If one team goes : Top 2
If 2 team go : The sum of their placement must not go over thirteen (example : G/P 8th and WeaPo 4th. 8+4 = 12. They have 3 spots)
Same with 3 teams, only top 2 teams placement matters.

 

[kittysk8ts]

https://www.waterloochronicle.ca/sp...ew-poje-kaitlyn-weaver-dazzle-in-pyeongchang/

I feel like they may want to regain their Canadian title and go out on their own terms. People have also mentioned Worlds in Montreal in 2020 as a nice way to finish. That would be cool.

 

[judgejudy27]

I could honestly see Weaver & Poje stay until 2022. I think they badly want an Olympic medal, even if it only comes in the Team Event. The question is whether they can hold off a team like Soucisse & Firus to remain Canadian #1 or atleast be close enough with them to justify splitting programs by then (Gilles & Poirier are a non factor in that regard).

 

[Miloune]

I could honestly see Weaver & Poje stay until 2022. I think they badly want an Olympic medal, even if it only comes in the Team Event. The question is whether they can hold off a team like Soucisse & Firus to remain Canadian #1 or atleast be close enough with them to justify splitting programs by then (Gilles & Poirier are a non factor in that regard).

Even if they manage to stay canada number one, who knows if they'll still manage to get on podiums...

 

[chapis]

If W/P want to continue, they need to do something about those twizzles.

 

[KimGOAT]

Global podiums wont be easy for W&P to come by, as they havent been for awhile. They have lots ground to a lot of teams. However being top Canadian would help, and some of the top teams are retiring which will also help. Assuming Virtue & Moir, Bobrova & Soloviev, Capellini & Lanotte are all retiring which seems like a safe bet, W&P only have Papadakis & Cizeron, Hubbell & Donohue, and the Shibutanis above them, that is only 3 teams, and 1 of those 3 dont even have a world medal yet, and have a greater history of messing up in pressure situations than even W&P have.

 

[kittysk8ts]

If W/P want to continue, they need to do something about those twizzles.

Absolutely. Always a weaker element for them but somehow seems to have become even worse?

 

[Miloune]

Absolutely. Always a weaker element for them but somehow seems to have become even worse?

Yes their twizzles have become the mirror of the state of their carreer...

 

[kittysk8ts]

Yes their twizzles have become the mirror of the state of their carreer...

Sadly, I agree I know the chances are almost zero - but I would love to see what Gadbois could do for them. Being on the ice with the amazing teams there now......Oh well, I can dream, Miloune I have seen W/P live several times and they really are excellent performers if not excellent technicians.

 

[chapis]

Yes their twizzles have become the mirror of the state of their carreer...

They should go to a seminar with Zhulin, he fixed Nikita and Sara´s twizzles, they were truly a CASE.

 

[Dobre]

W&P only have Papadakis & Cizeron, Hubbell & Donohue, and the Shibutanis above them.

Depends on the competition & performance this season. Weaver & Poje finished above Hubbell & Donohue at Skate Canada. W&P lost to Chock & Bates and Stepanova & Bukin at Internationaux de France. (There is a good chance that a number of teams could go down to S&B in the SD at Worlds, though there is an equally good chance that S&B may not be ready for that and will blow it). W&P also lost to Gilles & Poirier at Canadian Nationals. (It has not been a happy twizzle season).

 

[CassAgain]

They should go to a seminar with Zhulin, he fixed Nikita and Sara´s twizzles, they were truly a CASE.

Send him Evan Bates, too. They haven't missed much this year but that might be because they are glacially sloooooooow.

 

[KimGOAT]

Yeah if Weaver & Poje skate really crappy they can lose to teams like Chock & Bates, Stepanova & Bukin and Gilles & Poirier, but generally they are over teams like that, and if they avoid major mishaps they always will be. It would take much less error (if any) for Hubbell & Donohue or the Shibutanis to fall behind a well skating W&P than W&P need to make to fall below such inferior teams as the ones I mentioned.

 

[Miloune]

Yeah if Weaver & Poje skate really crappy they can lose to teams like Chock & Bates, Stepanova & Bukin and Gilles & Poirier, but generally they are over teams like that, and if they avoid major mishaps they always will be. It would take much less error (if any) for Hubbell & Donohue or the Shibutanis to fall behind a well skating W&P than W&P need to make to fall below such inferior teams as the ones I mentioned.

When was the last time W/P beat the Shibs?

 

[VGThuy]

When was the last time W/P beat the Shibs?

Overall? The 2015-2016 Grand Prix Final. Also the last time the Shibs lost to Chock/Bates and Cappellini/Lanotte. That really was the competition that ignited passion that was starting at 2015 Skate Canada for the Shibs in a way I hadn’t seen before.

 

[judgejudy27]

I think Weaver & Poje missing out on the bronze narrowly to the Shibutanis at Worlds last year was a big break for them. In a sense 4th felt like an achievement since they looked like a write off at that point and I think most had them coming 6th or 7th. On the other hand they were very close, and IIRC had they beaten B&S in the FD (seemingly a very doable task yet skating fairly well they somehow didn't) they would have had the points to win the bronze overall. I think they needed that kind of a boost, they would have gotten much easier GP assignment, not been assigned to certain losses and max 2nd place finishes with tough competition for even that (facing V&M and H&D at Skate Canada, and P&C in their 2nd GP). I think the Shibutanis could have recovered from that no problem, but W&P needed that kind of boost in their momentum to stand any chance this season.

Interestingly I think last years Worlds is the only time they have beaten Capellini & Lanotte since the 2016 GPF too, which is a really bad stat considering C&L are past their prime at this point themselves, even if arguably W&P also are.

 

[Deleted member 74551]

Does Canada have any really promising juniors? I haven't kept up with them, I tend to pay less attention in the couple of years leading to an Olympics than I do at the beginning of the quad. I'm more up to date with the Americans.

 

[Miloune]

We have come to a point where if W/P were to be on the podium in Milan it would be an "upset".. because even if they placed 4th in Helsinki, nothing really came out of it.

They have to find the program they need.

 

[Impromptu]

Overall? The 2015-2016 Grand Prix Final. Also the last time the Shibs lost to Chock/Bates and Cappellini/Lanotte. That really was the competition that ignited passion that was starting at 2015 Skate Canada for the Shibs in a way I hadn’t seen before.

I think the Shibutani's got a slow start that season... at their senior B, they finished in 3rd, behind Gilles/Poirier and Coomes/Buckland

 

[RoseRed]

Does Canada have any really promising juniors? I haven't kept up with them, I tend to pay less attention in the couple of years leading to an Olympics than I do at the beginning of the quad. I'm more up to date with the Americans.

Yeah. There are a couple of others I like, but the main team would be Marjorie Lajoie and Zachary Lagha. They're 17/18 (2 more years of jr eligibility) and train at Gadbois. They made the JGPF this year, but didn't skate very well there. I heard that Majorie had been injured though and they'd missed training time - they skated much better at Nationals. They're one of the teams in the mix for a medal at JW. Overall, they're in a great coaching situation and I think they have a good skill base. And they'll have opportunities to move up to senior next season.

 

[kittysk8ts]

deleted - same as RoseRed's post above

 

[Dobre]

Yeah if Weaver & Poje skate really crappy they can lose to teams like Chock & Bates, Stepanova & Bukin and Gilles & Poirier, but generally they are over teams like that, and if they avoid major mishaps they always will be.

I love Weaver & Poje. I prefer them to Virtue & Moir, Chock & Bates, and Gilles & Poirier. And I assume that will always be true.

That said, W&P have split 50 percent of their results with Chock & Bates over the past 12 or so competitions. Neither team has to skate poorly to be defeated by the other and skating well is no guarantee of a win for either team.

I do agree that W&P handed Internationaux de France and Canadian Nationals to Stepanova & Bukin and Gilles & Poirier.

Having said that, Stepanova & Bukin are on their way up. They didn't just best W&P in the SD at Internationaux de France. S&B bested Cappellini & Lanotte and Bobrova & Soloviev in the SD at Europeans as well. S&B's FD isn't as strong, IMO. But if you can defeat C&L in the short dance, that means you could have made the final flight at the Olympic Games. (Of course, the Olympics weren't held in Russia). But regardless, Stepanova & Bukin are in a very good position to be #1 in Russia next season and in a good position internationally heading into the post-Olympic turnover.

As for Gilles & Poirier, I prefer to maintain my illusions that Weaver & Poje will always be the stronger team; but G&P are like Adam Rippon for me. I perennially underestimate how they will place.

 

[Xiaoxue]

I'm re-watching last year's World Championships on a playlist in YouTube and I find I'm really starting to like Bobrova/Soloviev. I loved their FD this season, but I didn't understand the ending. Can someone please explain it to me? Why is it that at the end, she gains her sight and he loses his, but instead of supporting him, she distanced herself from him? Are they trying to tell the story of a woman who is ungrateful and abandons the man who supported her when she was at her most vulnerable?

That's kind of an upsetting story to tell.

 

[caseyedwards]

I'm re-watching last year's World Championships on a playlist in YouTube and I find I'm really starting to like Bobrova/Soloviev. I loved their FD this season, but I didn't understand the ending. Can someone please explain it to me? Why is it that at the end, she gains her sight and he loses his, but instead of supporting him, she distanced herself from him? Are they trying to tell the story of a woman who is ungrateful and abandons the man who supported her when she was at her most vulnerable?

That's kind of an upsetting story to tell.

At the beginning of the program he did the same thing to her before he changed his mind and helped her. So obviously he was flirting when she was reaching out and he was moving so she couldn’t make contact and at the end she does the same thing but maybe she is not flirting like he was. Or maybe he was just being mean to the blind person and she actually is mean. That supports your conclusion that it’s an upsetting story but it could be her flirting?

 

[caseyedwards]

I love Weaver & Poje. I prefer them to Virtue & Moir, Chock & Bates, and Gilles & Poirier. And I assume that will always be true.

That said, W&P have split 50 percent of their results with Chock & Bates over the past 12 or so competitions. Neither team has to skate poorly to defeat the other and skating well is no guarantee of a win for either team.

I do agree that W&P handed Internationaux de France and Canadian Nationals to Stepanova & Bukin and Gilles & Poirier.

Having said that, Stepanova & Bukin are on their way up. They didn't just best W&P in the SD at Internationaux de France. S&B bested Cappellini & Lanotte and Bobrova & Soloviev in the SD at Europeans as well. S&B's FD isn't as strong, IMO. But if you can defeat C&L in the short dance, that means you could have made the final flight at the Olympic Games. (Of course, the Olympics weren't held in Russia). But regardless, Stepanova & Bukin are in a very good position to be #1 in Russia next season and in a good position internationally heading into the post-Olympic turnover.

As for Gilles & Poirier, I prefer to maintain my illusions that Weaver & Poje will always be the stronger team; but G&P are like Adam Rippon for me. I perennially underestimate how they will place.

If no one cares about “Bukins doping problems” Courtesy nbc

 

[Dobre]

I'm re-watching last year's World Championships on a playlist in YouTube and I find I'm really starting to like Bobrova/Soloviev. I loved their FD this season, but I didn't understand the ending. Can someone please explain it to me? Why is it that at the end, she gains her sight and he loses his, but instead of supporting him, she distanced herself from him?

She's a dream.

Crossposting my post from the Russian Nationals FD thread:

Per a post on GS, she is blind. He is lonely. He falls in love with her and helps her to see the world. Through his love, miraculously she can see. Together they are happy & can fly. But it turns out she was just a dream from his imagination. He tries to catch her, but she slips away.

I have always wanted him to hold on to her at the end myself. I think it's possible that could be a stronger ending; but then perhaps it is more powerful that the ending makes me wish he held onto her. I can't decide.

 

[caseyedwards]

She's a dream.

Crossposting my post from the Russian Nationals FD thread:

Per a post on GS, she is blind. He is lonely. He falls in love with her and helps her to see the world. Through his love, miraculously she can see. Together they are happy & can fly. But it turns out she was just a dream from his imagination. He tries to catch her, but she slips away.

So he’s not blind at the end he’s asleep? His face always read blind at the end but if it’s not that changes EVERYTHING!!