Swimming & Diving thread

[yurokis40]

Haha! its okay to make fun of me I don`t live in Canada anymore so no need to support canadian athletes who choke the minute there is a modicum of pressure placed on them, I am gonna support americans and aussies from now on, Chock and bates are gonna defend their title next year in Montreal hopefully i didn`t jinx them.

 

[yurokis40]

Back to Mcintosh going from breaking a world record only a few ago to not even win a medal, lost to some no name new zealand swimmer named Erika fairyweather or whatever the hell her name was, than an old washed up Katie ledecky who Titmus completely blew out of the water. What is it with canadians and the sport system I had hopes for chan in 2014 but he also crumbled.

 

[Sylvia]

Summer McIntosh looked good in winning her 200 freestyle semifinal heat earlier today - final is 7 am Eastern time tomorrow (CBC video is geoblocked outside of Canada): https://twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/1683815109229944832
Finalists are:
1. Ariarne Titmus (AUS) — 1:54.64
2. Summer McIntosh (CAN) — 1:54.67
3. Mollie O’Callaghan (AUS) — 1:54.91
4. Bella Sims (USA) — 1:55.45
5. Siobhan Haughey (HKG) — 1:55.48
6. Freya Anderson (GBR) — 1:55.85
7. Liu Yaxin (CHN) — 1:56.34
8. Marrit Steenbergen (NED) — 1:56.49

Katie Ledecky won the 1500m freestyle, her 5th World title in 2 event differents - going for her 6th in the 800m later this week (NBC/Peacock video is geoblocked outside of U.S.):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683845046901129217

Four New Nations Inserted Into Medal Table Through Day Three In Fukuoka

Through day three of the 2023 World Championships, a total of 16 nations now appear within the overall swimming medal table.

swimswam.com

Lithuania’s Ruta Meilutyte cemented her comeback queen status, taking the women’s 100m breast in a dominant fashion. The 2012 Olympic champion clocked a time of 1:04.62 to win by over one second and add Lithuania to the table.

I read that she won that Olympic gold at age 15 and served a two-year ban from 2019-21 for missing scheduled drug tests.
USA's Lydia Jacoby won the bronze over Lilly King who faded in the final 50 meters to 4th.

 

[Sylvia]

"In her understated manner, [New Zealand's] Erika Fairweather at the Tokyo Olympics quietly warned not to count her out among a loaded [400m] distance field.":

Bronze Backs Credentials of Under-the-Radar Erika Fairweather

In her understated manner, Erika Fairweather at the Tokyo Olympics quietly warned not to count her out among a loaded distance field.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

Fairweather has long been an adjunct in the conversation of global distance stars: Ledecky the presiding power, Titmus the young usurper who has now taken the throne, McIntosh the standard bearer for the next wave. Fairweather has proven that she belongs in that conversation as more than an accessory. While McIntosh was setting a world record and Ledecky was looking as strong as ever, Fairweather this spring moved up to No. 6 all-time with no attendant fanfare, which was fine by her.
Historically, four minutes is a hallowed mark. For four swimmers Sunday night to get under it is testament to the massive speed on display. (It also speaks volumes that McIntosh, on an off night where she was stung by Titmus taking her world record, still managed to get under that mark.)
With the Fukuoka foursome, only 44 swims have ever ventured under four minutes. Ledecky has 27 of them, Titmus 10, McIntosh five. The only others belong to Federica Pellegrini, in her super-suited world record from 2009, and now Fairweather.

 

[ilovepaydays]

Summer McIntosh looked good in winning her 200 freestyle semifinal heat earlier today - final is 7 am Eastern time tomorrow (CBC video is geoblocked outside of Canada): https://twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/1683815109229944832
Finalists are:
1. Ariarne Titmus (AUS) — 1:54.64
2. Summer McIntosh (CAN) — 1:54.67
3. Mollie O’Callaghan (AUS) — 1:54.91
4. Bella Sims (USA) — 1:55.45
5. Siobhan Haughey (HKG) — 1:55.48
6. Freya Anderson (GBR) — 1:55.85
7. Liu Yaxin (CHN) — 1:56.34
8. Marrit Steenbergen (NED) — 1:56.49

Katie Ledecky won the 1500m freestyle, her 5th World title in 2 event differents - going for her 6th in the 800m later this week (NBC/Peacock video is geoblocked outside of U.S.):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683845046901129217

Four New Nations Inserted Into Medal Table Through Day Three In Fukuoka

Through day three of the 2023 World Championships, a total of 16 nations now appear within the overall swimming medal table.

swimswam.com

I read that she won that Olympic gold at age 15 and served a two-year ban from 2019-21 for missing scheduled drug tests.
USA's Lydia Jacoby won the bronze over Lilly King who faded in the final 50 meters to 4th.

I hate to root against swimmers from my country, but Lilly King has always came across as a brat to me. I’m really happy for Lydia - she had a rough season last year.

 

[nylynnr]

Articles are popping up online about Katie Ledecky being a trans woman. Folks have picked up on them and are posting on twitter, or X, as it is now called.

These are sketchily written, poorly organized pieces. I'm not a swimming specialist, but I've covered the sport for the USOPC, and never heard any discussion of Katie being assigned as anything but female at birth. Seems to me, these could be AI generated, and further seems they may be indicative of the pitfalls and possible inaccuracies that can occur when people instruct AI to generate articles for them, instead of doing research/interviews themselves.

Did I miss some breaking news about Katie? Thoughts on AI-generated articles? Are sports writers (some, anyway) still relevant?

 

[marbri]

I just googled and the first three articles that popped up give me the same impression AI generated and I would bet my house inaccurate.

At any rate I highly doubt Katie, as the articles I looked at suggest, would ever reveal "recently" that she was born male/transgender at this point in her career with all the hype surrounding her events and opponents and with Paris a year away.

I think it's criminal that someone started this BS within a day of her amazing achievement in tying Phelps record. Assholes will be assholes.

 

[Sylvia]

Mollie O'Callaghan Outsplit David Popovici on the Last 50 of the 200 Free in Fukuoka

Mollie O'Callaghan split 28.11 in the last 50 of her 200 free while David Popovici, the defending world champ coming into the meet, was 28.12 on his final 50

swimswam.com

In the women’s 200 free final at the 2023 World Championships, we saw history made in more ways than one. First of all, Mollie O’Callaghan broke Federica Pellegrini’s super-suited 200 free world record from 2009, becoming just the 2nd woman ever to break the 1:53 mark. Her AUS teammate, Ariarne Titmus, touched for silver at 1:53.01, the 3rd-fastest swim in the event ever. Summer McIntosh earned bronze in 1:53.65, breaking her own world junior Canadian records in the process and becoming the 5th fastest performer ever with the 8th fastest performance ever.
Perhaps most surprising, though, was that Mollie O’Callaghan came home in 28.11, an absolutely staggering last 50. She did not appear to be close to the world record until the final 15 meters, using her signature coming home speed to its fullest. This was not only a faster final 50 than any other woman in the field, but it was also faster than David Popovici‘s last 50 in the 2023 final of the 200 free.

 

[nylynnr]

I just googled and the first three articles that popped up give me the same impression AI generated and I would bet my house inaccurate.

At any rate I highly doubt Katie, as the articles I looked at suggest, would ever reveal "recently" that she was born male/transgender at this point in her career with all the hype surrounding her events and opponents and with Paris a year away.

I think it's criminal that someone started this BS within a day of her amazing achievement in tying Phelps record. Assholes will be assholes.

All true. I wonder, though, if the creators are intentional a-holes or simply generated the articles and handed them into a content mill without thinking twice. An intersection of a-holery, gender theory and AI, suitably impenetrable for discussion on FSU.

 

[allezfred]

Transphobia is inextricably linked to misogny.

 

[On My Own]

Articles are popping up online about Katie Ledecky being a trans woman. Folks have picked up on them and are posting on twitter, or X, as it is now called.

These are sketchily written, poorly organized pieces. I'm not a swimming specialist, but I've covered the sport for the USOPC, and never heard any discussion of Katie being assigned as anything but female at birth. Seems to me, these could be AI generated, and further seems they may be indicative of the pitfalls and possible inaccuracies that can occur when people instruct AI to generate articles for them, instead of doing research/interviews themselves.

Did I miss some breaking news about Katie? Thoughts on AI-generated articles? Are sports writers (some, anyway) still relevant?

It's coming from "Indian "news" sources" so lol.

"Indian "news" sources" last year claimed that there was a coup in China, just for the record. And it was being driven on twitter as well...

 

[yurokis40]

Mollie O'Callaghan Outsplit David Popovici on the Last 50 of the 200 Free in Fukuoka

Mollie O'Callaghan split 28.11 in the last 50 of her 200 free while David Popovici, the defending world champ coming into the meet, was 28.12 on his final 50

swimswam.com

Ariane Titimus and Mollie O`callahan are on performance enhancing drugs , the aussies were upset and salty about Summer Macintosh earlier in the year, Mollie was injured a few weeks ago pretty sure she got extra look at all those zits on her face a sign of ped use.

 

[skatingguy]

Ariane Titimus and Mollie O`callahan are on performance enhancing drugs , the aussies were upset and salty about Summer Macintosh earlier in the year, Mollie was injured a few weeks ago pretty sure she got extra look at all those zits on her face a sign of ped use.

It's good to see your taking McIntosh's loses well.

 

[Rukia]

Those articles are 100% ai generated but I'm not sure anyone has figured out why exactly they are popping up right now. It's not like Ledecky has had some kind of unprecedented success at this worlds. And allezfred is completely right about the link between transphobia and misogyny. I have tried to tell people I know this same thing over and over. If you think they will stop with trans women think again. They will come for anyone that doesn't fall under their ideas of ideal femininity, and since there is no one way to be a woman it's going to affect every single one of us.

 

[nylynnr]

Those articles are 100% ai generated but I'm not sure anyone has figured out why exactly they are popping up right now.

They are popping up right now because Ledecky is in the news due to the world championships. I suspect people are typing her name into AI and asking for articles and, somehow, these messes pop up, and are being provided to content mills.

 

[Rukia]

They are popping up right now because Ledecky is in the news due to the world championships. I suspect people are typing her name into AI and asking for articles and, somehow, these messes pop up, and are being provided to content mills.

Yeah my husband pointed out to me that the headlines all talk about her matching Michael Phelps's overall world championship medal count. At any rate I hate that it is happening.

 

[On My Own]

No Proof For Rumors That Katie Ledecky Had 'Come Out' as Trans

Ledecky is the first woman to earn 20 World Championships gold medals. It's not the only reason people were searching her name in July 2023.

www.snopes.com

 

[VICK B.]

Summer Mcintosh bypass World title and World record... haha

Summer McIntosh Skipping 200 IM at World Championships; Focused On Four Solo Events

Canadian teenager Summer McIntosh is not on the entry lists for the 200-meter individual medley for the World Championships in Fukuoka.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

[misskarne]

Ariane Titimus and Mollie O`callahan are on performance enhancing drugs , the aussies were upset and salty about Summer Macintosh earlier in the year, Mollie was injured a few weeks ago pretty sure she got extra look at all those zits on her face a sign of ped use.

If the Aussies are salty about anything, it's probably about the fact that the Dolphins won nearly twice as many gold medals as Team USA...and yet the Americans were the ones crowned "Best Swimming Team".

 

[ilovepaydays]

If the Aussies are salty about anything, it's probably about the fact that the Dolphins won nearly twice as many gold medals as Team USA...and yet the Americans were the ones crowned "Best Swimming Team".

Eh…..even though the USA ?? technically won 38 medals compared to Australia’s ?? 25 medals, the Americans really should go eat a piece of humble pie. Especially when it comes to the relays.

If you take out the non-Olympic events (the 50ms not freestyle), the USA loses a lot of medals.

I am, however, encouraged by Jack Alexy’s potential. I am curious about what Caeleb Dressel’s comeback is going to look like next year.

 

[marbri]

Summer Mcintosh bypass World title and World record... haha

Summer McIntosh Skipping 200 IM at World Championships; Focused On Four Solo Events

Canadian teenager Summer McIntosh is not on the entry lists for the 200-meter individual medley for the World Championships in Fukuoka.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

Did you link to the wrong article? I don't understand what you are trying to say...

 

[Cachoo]

Transphobia is inextricably linked to misogny.

It is so so misogynistic. Imagine if Katie looked more like Barbie. Would we be reading these comments? Nope.

 

[caseyedwards]

A lot of the transgenderism is misogyny. I mean how else can a man enter womens competition after being in men’s competitions?

 

[yurokis40]

Eh…..even though the USA ?? technically won 38 medals compared to Australia’s ?? 25 medals, the Americans really should go eat a piece of humble pie. Especially when it comes to the relays.

If you take out the non-Olympic events (the 50ms not freestyle), the USA loses a lot of medals.

I am, however, encouraged by Jack Alexy’s potential. I am curious about what Caeleb Dressel’s comeback is going to look like next year.

Problem for the aussies nobody really cares about worlds one year before the olympics look at all the big names that didn`t even go Caeleb Dressel, Kristoph Milak and Penny Oleksiak the olympics are 10 times bigger, plus the aussies don`t do as well in the european time zone.

 

[Sylvia]

Bumping this thread back up for the upcoming U.S. Olympic Team Trials for Swimming in Indianapolis, June 15-23, 2024 (for the first time ever, the event will be staged on a football field!):

Trials

USA Swimming

www.usaswimming.org

Event schedule by day: https://websitedevsa.blob.core.wind...ocuments/trials-2024/2024-order-of-events.pdf

From SwimSwam.com on June 7:

Psych Sheets Drop For 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials

Kate Douglass finds herself as the top seed in four of her five entries, but may have to make a decision about the 50 free/200 IM double.

swimswam.com

Ariarne Titmus breaks 200m freestyle world record at the Australian swimming trials [going on now in Brisbane]:

Ariarne Titmus smashes 200m world record in stunning head-to-head with Mollie O'Callaghan

Ariarne Titmus breaks the 200m freestyle world record by almost a second to pip world champion Mollie O'Callaghan.

www.abc.net.au

Canada's Olympic swimming trials were held last month and the team was announced on May 19:

Team Canada’s Paris 2024 swimming team unveiled – Swimming Canada

www.swimming.ca

Excerpt re. Summer McIntosh:

Seventeen-year-old Summer McIntosh is qualified in five individual events and has put herself into consideration for multiple relays. She made her Olympic debut at Tokyo 2020 as the youngest athlete on Team Canada. She has since won more gold medals – four – than any Canadian swimmer ever at the World Aquatics Championships, becoming a back-to-back world champion in the women’s 200m butterfly and 400m individual medley in 2022 and 2023. During this week’s Olympic Trials, McIntosh bettered her own world record in the 400m IM, taking 1.5 seconds off the time she set last year. That time of 4:24.38 is almost two seconds faster than any other woman in the event.
“I’m pretty happy to be able to qualify in my top five events, so going into Paris I’m super excited,” said McIntosh. “I think it’s going to be an amazing meet, and not just for me but for all of Team Canada. I was just watching Josh [Liendo who just swam a Canadian record moments before] and it gave me a lot of motivation.”

 

[Sylvia]

2024 Australian Swimming Trials playlist of daily highlights via Nine's Wide World of Sports:

2024 Australian Swimming Trials

Catch up on all the action as Australia's best swimmers try to book their way to the Olympic Games.

www.youtube.com

Just saw that there's now a thread with broadcast/streaming info on the various "big" U.S. Olympic Trials in the 2024 Olympics subforum (swimming starts tomorrow; diving trials are June 17-23 in Knoxville, TN):

US Olympic Trials - Swimming, Diving, Track and Field, Gymnastics - Broadcast Schedule

https://www.nbcsports.com/pressbox/press-releases/u-s-olympic-team-trials-for-swimming-diving-track-field-and-gymnastics-to-be-presented-june-15-30-across-nbc-peacock-and-usa-network Trials start on June 15th and go through the 30th. Like Figure Skating (Nationals), I think the trials are just...

www.fsuniverse.net

 

[Karen-W]

US Trials first semifinal is underway - Women’s 100m Fly - Torri Huske - just off her AR by .15!

And Gretchen Walsh gets a new WR in the 2nd semi! 55.18!!!! Shaved .30 off the WR!

 

[Karen-W]

Hometown boy, 19-yr old Aaron Shackell wins the Men's 400m Free and is the first Olympian!

 

[Karen-W]

Not crying at all over the emotion from Carson Foster at winning the Men's 400m IM and booking his ticket to Paris. Nope, not one little tear at all, lol.

 

[ilovepaydays]

Women’s 100m Fly final coming up. ?