Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[Scott512]

Figure skating...doping like they Cycling. Sheesh

Laura Barquero is new figure skating doping controversy from 2022 Olympics

Spanish figure skater Laura Barquero has become the fourth athlete to fail a doping test at the Beijing Olympics after testing positive for the banned steroid clostebol.

nypost.com

She failed the test at the Olympics. Kamilas failed test was from December 25, 2021 but not tested and not made public for over 40 days.

What happens now to KV? Do any future suspensions or removal of the team gold medal have to go through cas? This fifteen-year-old Phenom is supposed to be protected with super protections as a minor aged athlete. But it doesn't seem like the case as USADA keeps talking about her and the IOC leaked info about Valieva.

 

[Sylvia]

What happens now to KV? Do any future suspensions or removal of the team gold medal have to go through cas?

RUSADA first: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-from-the-hearing.109428/page-17#post-6218777

 

[Alex_Fedorov]

If I were the officials from the federation, I would not send Kamila to the World Championships. Formally, she has the right to participate in this tournament, but there is no point in this. Even if we assume that subsequently all charges against Kamila will be dropped, nothing good can be expected for her now. There will be a new session of public humiliation.

 

[Scott512]

RUSADA first: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-from-the-hearing.109428/page-17#post-6218777

Thank you. I don't know what they will do but it will probably be the wrong thing. KV is supposed to be protected as a minor athlete and not penalized as if she was a senior athlete is the way I understand it from both wada and the ioc.

Whether it's to make it look like they're disciplining her or sitting this phenomenal 15 year old figure skater down to protect her Mental Health I kind of hope she has skated for the last time this season. But if rusada is trying to protect the team gold medal Russia won going away then they probably won't do anything. But all of this is small potatoes to what's going on in Ukraine right now.

I just hope Kamilas parents or grandparents or somebody can get her some counseling because she got roasted around the world for a week or so during the Olympics when that positive test should have been disclosed before Europeans. If her urine sample took six weeks to test and disclose while everyone else at Russian Nationals took three weeks or less that would look really bad for the Stockholm lab. That is something the investigation has to uncover especially considering since the testing at Europeans and the Olympics were super quick by comparison to Russian Nationals at least for Valieva.

 

[Scott512]

If I were the officials from the federation, I would not send Kamila to the World Championships. Formally, she has the right to participate in this tournament, but there is no point in this. Even if we assume that subsequently all charges against Kamila will be dropped, nothing good can be expected for her now. There will be a new session of public humiliation.

I 100% agree and I even wonder if there will be a World Championships now or even if Russian athletes will be allowed to attend with what's going on in Ukraine. There are a lot of moving Parts here but they need to get KV some kind of counseling to help her move forward with her career. Sadly a lot of damage was done to this girl at the Olympics and we don't know what the emotional toll is on her. She still has plenty of time to become an all-time great ladies figure skater but what has happened to this girl in the last couple weeks is a real setback in more ways than one.

 

[aml78]

Thank you. I don't know what they will do but it will probably be the wrong thing. KV is supposed to be protected as a minor athlete and not penalized as if she was a senior athlete is the way I understand it from both wada and the ioc.

Whether it's to make it look like they're disciplining her or sitting this phenomenal 15 year old figure skater down to protect her Mental Health I kind of hope she has skated for the last time this season. But if rusada is trying to protect the team gold medal Russia won going away then they probably won't do anything. But all of this is small potatoes to what's going on in Ukraine right now.

I just hope Kamilas parents or grandparents or somebody can get her some counseling because she got roasted around the world for a week or so during the Olympics when that positive test should have been disclosed before Europeans. If her urine sample took six weeks to test and disclose while everyone else at Russian Nationals took three weeks or less that would look really bad for the Stockholm lab. That is something the investigation has to uncover especially considering since the testing at Europeans and the Olympics were super quick by comparison to Russian Nationals at least for Valieva.

But she’s arriving home to be treated like a hero. So it’s all got to be very confusing for her.

 

[Karen-W]

I 100% agree and I even wonder if there will be a World Championships now or even if Russian athletes will be allowed to attend with what's going on in Ukraine. There are a lot of moving Parts here but they need to get KV some kind of counseling to help her move forward with her career. Sadly a lot of damage was done to this girl at the Olympics and we don't know what the emotional toll is on her. She still has plenty of time to become an all-time great ladies figure skater but what has happened to this girl in the last couple weeks is a real setback in more ways than one.

Oh, there will be a Worlds, for sure. Remains to be seen whether or not Russian athletes will be there.

 

[Scott512]

Oh, there will be a Worlds, for sure. Remains to be seen whether or not Russian athletes will be there.

Nothing is for sure Karen. We thought there would be junior worlds but that was cancelled we thought because of coronavirus but now they say because invading Ukraine.

If there is a senior World Russian should be there because Russian athletes have nothing to do with what their government chooses to do same for any athlete in any country including China.

But she’s arriving home to be treated like a hero. So it’s all got to be very confusing for her.

I think she's being treated like a hero because she's a fantastic figure skater and she has been emotionally damaged by her experiences at the Winter Olympics. I think it's more of a pick me up for this 15 year old girl than it is approving of a positive of doping test from last year. Everyone cheering her on at her homecoming saw her crying and devastated in Beijing.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Scott512.
You are aware that she cheated. Since when should that behavior be rewarded. There are and should be consequences to your actions....and I include in that everyone around. Listen to Scott.....very enlightening.

 

[MacMadame]

I think she's being treated like a hero because she's a fantastic figure skater and she has been emotionally damaged by her experiences at the Winter Olympics.

She'd have been treated like a hero regardless of what happened. She'd be treated like one even if she won and showed no signs of mental distress. She's a symbol of how the "evil West" hates Russia and Russians.

 

[mtnskater]

I’m 100% in favor of the ISU not allowing Russia to compete at the World Championships based upon its criminal, unprovoked war against the sovereign nation of Ukraine. We all know Putin takes great credit for all of the Russian athletes sports success and uses it for propaganda purposes to help prop himself up and to stoke toxic nationalism. The athletes are funded by the Russian government. If the world does not unite in all ways that it possibly can to stand up against and deter Putin’s actions then he will only prevail and do it again. There must be severe consequences to Russia on all fronts.

 

[PRlady]

If Russia is banned from Worlds and Sui/Han hang up their skates, that’s gonna be one interesting pairs competition.

 

[BlueRidge]

If Russia is banned from Words and Sui/Han hang up their skates, that’s gonna be one interesting pairs competition.

or not interesting

 

[Tesla]

or not interesting

Top 4 could be Peng/Jin, Knierem/Frazier, Miura/Kihara, and Cain-Gribble/LeDuc.

 

[Scott512]

Scott512.
You are aware that she cheated. Since when should that behavior be rewarded. There are and should be consequences to your actions....and I include in that everyone around. Listen to Scott.....very enlightening.0 Let it play out so we can actually get an investigation and find out why she tested positive.

What do you think would be a fair punishment for Kamila not knowing all the facts? One year suspension? 2 years? 9 months?

Testing positive should obviously not be rewarded but because she's a minor athlete the ioc rules and the WADA rule say she is not subject to the same penalties as an adult age athlete would be.

Also she was humiliated in front of the world for over a week. I think that's a pretty significant punishment. There may be punishment to come to KV yet or her team or the team doctor or whoever they find out gave her this medicine.

We have to find out why she tested positive. I do not believe she at 15 was doping. It's more likely somebody gave something to her telling her it would make her feel better. That person needs to be dealt with. We also need to find out why it took over 40 days for the positive test result to come in right after the team event at the Olympics. It took a few days at Europeans and the Olympics.

I try to be fair all the way around. We don't have all the information yet because the IOC hasnt leaked it all yet.

Let's get to the bottom of this. I can only imagine people are working on it behind the scenes.

 

[Scott512]

She'd have been treated like a hero regardless of what happened. She'd be treated like one even if she won and showed no signs of mental distress. She's a symbol of how the "evil West" hates Russia and Russians.

Interesting. True.

 

[Scott512]

I’m 100% in favor of the ISU not allowing Russia to compete at the World Chanpionships based upon its criminal, unprovoked war against the sovereign nation of Ukraine. We all know Putin takes great credit for all of the Russian athletes sports success and uses it for propaganda purposes to help prop himself up and to stoke toxic nationalism. The athletes are funded by the Russian government. If the world does not unite in all ways that it possibly can to stand up against and deter Putin’s actions then he will only prevail and do it again. There must be severe consequences to Russia on all fronts.

Why hold Anna and company responsible for Putin? That would be like holding me responsible for the inhuman treatment for 10 years of putting hundreds of thousands of kids in cages or in the last 20 years all those errant Anerican bombs to Muslim countries that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims. I am no more responsible for that than any Russian athlete is for Putin's actions. In fact I'm sure Anna and every Russian athlete is against this invasion of Ukraine. I have only heard Russian athletes speak out against this invasion.

It's also the same with Ukraine if you know it's recent history you know they and their growing neo nazi base have been brutal to ethnic Russians and killed many of them in the most inhumane ways possible. But I think everyone here would agree that Ukrainian athletes should not be held responsible for that.

 

[Trillian]

We have to find out why she tested positive. I do not believe she at 15 was doping. It's more likely somebody gave something to her telling her it would make her feel better. That person needs to be dealt with.

Of course she wasn’t doping on her own, she’s a literal child. But if she’s not suspended and her results are allowed to stand, the message is that it’s okay to drug kids as long as they’re so young that no policies are in place to protect them. This is not about punishing her - unfortunately she’s collateral damage. It’s about not incentivizing child abuse.

We also need to find out why it took over 40 days for the positive test result to come in right after the team event at the Olympics. It took a few days at Europeans and the Olympics.

It’s well-established that RUSADA didn’t flag the test properly and that international events (particularly the Olympics) have very different domestic ones. This has nothing to do with anything.

Why hold Anna and company responsible for Putin?

Nobody is blaming the athletes for anything. If the rest of the world decides not to allow Russian teams or groups to participate in international cultural events, that’s a response to the government’s actions. If the Russian government doesn’t want their citizens to be excluded from those types of opportunities, they’re welcome to evaluate their foreign policy decisions and decide if they want to reconsider any of them.

 

[MacMadame]

Nothing is for sure Karen.

Unless covid cases rise to the level where international travel is effected or France is at war with Russia, Worlds will be held. How's that?

If Russia is banned from Worlds and Sui/Han hang up their skates, that’s gonna be one interesting pairs competition.

I suspect if Russia is banned, Sui/Han will be there.

That would be like holding me responsible for the inhuman treatment for 10 years of putting hundreds of thousands of kids in cages or in the last 20 years all those errant Anerican bombs to Muslim countries that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims.

I would be okay with that.

 

[Scott512]

Of course she wasn’t doping on her own, she’s a literal child. But if she’s not suspended and her results are allowed to stand, the message is that it’s okay to drug kids as long as they’re so young that no policies are in place to protect them. This is not about punishing her - unfortunately she’s collateral damage. It’s about not incentivizing child abuse.



It’s well-established that RUSADA didn’t flag the test properly and that international events (particularly the Olympics) have very different domestic ones. This has nothing to do with anything.



Nobody is blaming the athletes for anything. If the rest of the world decides not to allow Russian teams or groups to participate in international cultural events, that’s a response to the government’s actions. If the Russian government doesn’t want their citizens to be excluded from those types of opportunities, they’re welcome to evaluate their foreign policy decisions and decide if they want to reconsider any of them.

But you are blaming the athletes if you don't allow them to compete for something their president does. I was in NYC on 9/11 and it changed me forever. I think about it every day.

I also cringe when I hear about the last 15 or 20 years an errant bombs from the United States killed innocents in Muslim countries. Thousands of those errant bombs have taken place. Joe Biden started his presidency by bombing Syria and killing a family of 9 that had nothing to do with anything. That nonsense has happened thousands of times. While it may not be quite as horrible as Putin invading Ukraine it's pretty close and I don't remember anybody saying because of these disastrous bombings from the United States the last 20 years that that American athletes shouldn't be allowed to compete anywhere. And that should not have happened because these athletes have nothing to do with what the leaders have done. It's pretty much the same with Russia.

Also with Iraq Madeline Albright still says it was worth it to go in there with the weapons of mass destruction BS that ended up killing 500,000 Iraqi children. The video is on YouTube where Albright says it was worth it. Unreal. That is on the level of Putin invading Ukraine. Maybe worse. How do you ever recover from 500,000 children dying unnecessarily? Where was the outrage from the world? I don't remember anyone saying American athletes should not be allowed to compete at International events. Nor should they have been prohibited from competing because they had nothing to do with it just as the Russian athletes have nothing to do with anything Putin does.

I still love my country but not as much as I used to after paying attention to what's really gone on the last 20 years and we've been involved with conflicts in many countries around the world and intererfering in others elections. Its sad it's tragic and its reality.

I'm OK with talking politics but I'm always realistic and I'm the same way with Figure skating which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

 

[VGThuy]

I wouldn’t have minded if the rest of the world called the US out and banned us from competition for a few years for some of the crap our government did, especially for the treatment of migrant children and the family separations on our own soil. That was incredibly unforgivable and unjustifiable no matter how others try to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to defend it. It was just utter malice and animus against a group of people.

 

[mtnskater]

^^^@Scott512 Your contortions of moral equivalency are nothing short of astounding.

 

[Vash01]

That's disappointing! Hopefully it means she plans to skate at Worlds. For Scherbakova, it could make more sense to skip Worlds and end the season at the Channel 1 Cup.

They should have done the event after Worlds. It only fit in last season because a lot of competitions were cancelled. Otherwise maybe they should make it something like the old pro-am shows in the US, where you are basically doing an exhibition with some easier jumps and getting a score. It would be cool if they mixed in professional skaters too. I would love to see something like a team of professional skaters against the current skaters, with day 1 being more technical and day 2 artistic.

I love this idea. Mixing pros and eligible skaters. They used to have this years ago.

Channel one cup Should be after Worlds. The skaters have barely enough time to rest after the Olympics and prepare for worlds. I can't imagine them skating in both.

 

[Sylvia]

Anna Shcherbakova's post & photos about the Olympic Games (in English too): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cab9JmFoynr/

 

[Scott512]

I wouldn’t have minded if the rest of the world called the US out and banned us from competition for a few years for some of the crap our government did, especially for the treatment of migrant children and the family separations on our own soil. That was incredibly unforgivable and unjustifiable no matter how others try to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to defend it. It was just utter malice and animus against a group of people.

A strong take and a fair take. But it still would have done nothing but hurt the athletes that had nothing to do with it.

 

[Scott512]

I love this idea. Mixing pros and eligible skaters. They used to have this years ago.

Channel one cup Should be after Worlds. The skaters have barely enough time to rest after the Olympics and prepare for worlds. I can't imagine them skating in both.

Great idea.

I do hope a lot of the skaters rest now because they've been through a lot the last two years dealing with the worldwide pandemic missing competitions and practice times being in bubbles and wearing masks the toll on that must be great. The pandemic no doubt has been hard on all of us but we don't have to have everything just right to win or do our job. These athletes do.

 

[Scott512]

^^^@Scott512 Your contortions of moral equivalency are nothing short of astounding.

I call my countrres crimes against humanity out when needed. I do it with every country.

But I would just as soon talk about the channel one cup in this thread. I wonder if it could be anywhere close to as great as last year's channel one cup was.

 

[Scott512]

Anna Shcherbakova's post & photos about the Olympic Games (in English too): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cab9JmFoynr/

Thanks Sylvia.

Anna is a super classy girl who deserves all of her successes. Her being the reigning world champion and Olympic champion is an amazing feat in itself especially considering the incredible competition she deals with.

Wouldn't that be amazing if Anna was the TT girl who skated competitively into her 20s? I just hope she doesn't overdo it with competitions and shows and that incredible training she goes through. Anna has been with EG the longest by far and she has survived and thrived.

 

[Xela M]

Of course Russia should be banned from all international competitions. Sport is a HUGE source of pride and propaganda and as much as it sucks for the poor athletes, Russia should definitely be banned!

Why was it ok to boycott South Africa during the apartheid but somehow not ok to boycott Russia?

[Sport is so important to Putin that honestly I think he wouldn't have invaded Ukraine so soon after the Games had Russia won the mens hockey ]

 

[IAA2004]

Even if Russia is allowed to skate at Worlds, they may not be able to get there. Airline travel has largely been cut off between Russia and the rest of the world.

The Russian speek skating team just withdrew from next week's World Championships and Junior World Championships in Norway and Poland.