Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

[Lana K]

In other news, Tuk posted some beach pics, looks like the fever lasted only a day or the fever was just a fake excuse to withdraw all Mishin Skaters in Austria.

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva on Instagram: "Рада, что вы есть! Люблю вас ❤️ @sinddra @86leramax #bestfriendsever #moodoftheday #goodvibesonly #moments"

15K likes, 109 comments - liza_tuktik on November 12, 2021: "Рада, что вы есть! Люблю вас ❤️ @sinddra @86leramax #bestfriendsever #moodoftheday #goodvibesonly #moments".

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The video with Liza and her friends is from a trip they took to the Maldives last May. Quite easy to fact check, tbh. Nice try on attempting to stir up controversy though!

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

Great competition again for Alina Gorbachyova who won the Russia Cup Stage 4 Junior Division. Her total score is 199.46. Congrats, Alina! Her skating stood out to me at test skates, and I was disappointed that she didn't get a JGP.

 

[Scott512]

Plushenko and Davydov mushrooming skaters home grown is good for russian ladies and the sport
monopoly is bad is anything, asks economics or even in politics.

Trusova or Kostornaya might leave again after this season
If This is Tuks last season, Mishin will have a room to accept an elite top ladies, Trusova could be a good match for a long career.

I was thinking of Aliona more for the professors group. He has never had a Russian lady with great skating skills and Liza is getting near the end of the road if she chooses to but Sofia and Nastya are also in the professor's group have been regressing the last couple years so that's a concern. But the issue is would Kosto or Sasha leave Moscow where their familes live for St. Petersburg?

 

[Scott512]

Except I was under the impression/belief that Alexei Mishin is only coaching until Liza retires?

I'm not sure who Eteri will try to poach, really. Samodelkina is perfectly set up with Davydov and being his muse. Titova, Muravyeva are developing amazingly with Plushenko.

We all knew that the Eteri's 3 girls in this 05-06 class only had Kamila. Daria never improved much, added nothing over four years. Maiia, well, Maiia is a hard worker and earned her quads. It's just that her overall skating compared to any of those younger girls just stands out as not good enough. At least she has her quads, but Maiia should definitely be scared of Samodelkina, Muravya and Petrosyan next season, if not in six weeks at RusNats. Plus Akatyeva.

Eteri will be looking to add a man and a junior boy. Maybe a junior pairs team too.

Whatever Russian man or men get left off the three-man Olympic team won't be happy and they will be looking for other options. Maybe EG and TT because at least they would have some backing there.

EG will still have her hands full with plenty of girls and women even if a couple of them leave as expected after the Olympic season. And Akatieva is on the rise. She is not seen your eligible until 2023 because she was born in the wrong half of the year and if they raise the age limit she could really get held back with not being senior for a long time. Although if they do raise the age limit as many expect it will probably be for a couple years down the road.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

I would bet money that Alyona Kostornaya will retire after this season. She kind of seems to be phoning it in this season. Who knows, maybe these new injuries from her competitors will light a fire under her to give herself a chance for the OlyTeam. But she's not looking like she's happy skating, so I don't know why she'd continue hanging on, especially with the juniors with ultra jumps coming up.

 

[Scott512]

I would bet money that Alyona Kostornaya will retire after this season. She kind of seems to be phoning it in this season. Who knows, maybe these new injuries from her competitors will light a fire under her to give herself a chance for the OlyTeam. But she's not looking like she's happy skating, so I don't know why she'd continue hanging on, especially with the juniors with ultra jumps coming up.

Aliona has better skating skills than all the girls coming up. But she has issues as you pointed out. one is stress and that's a hard one to overcome. A skater of her beauty and caliber retiring at 18 would be astounding. But I don't rule out the possibility because we know aliona is not part of going along to get along. She feels something and reacts good or bad. She is not very pragmatic.

I hope she can make a real push for the Olympic team but she will have to improve her game a lot from now until Nationals. I wish AKA could be more like Anna and just handle everything in stride.

 

[love_skate2011]

Rumor is that Usacheva was already uncomfortable with her hip during practice hence that first report that was a hip fracture.

Their jump specailist is also blaming Usacheva for overtraining: It doesnt make sense coz if her hip was bothering her already who told her to skate in NHK, definitely her team.

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NHK could be an event where Tut Team wont win any gold, Tarasova / Morozov will flop again in the FS for sure. When was lat time this has happened ? Will Eteri be facing pressure now of having 2 injured skaters.

 

[On My Own]

Their jump specailist is also blaming Usacheva for overtraining

Of course he is.

But Zheleznyakov isn't the jump specialist, he's the off-ice dance trainer.

 

[love_skate2011]

Of course he is.

But Zheleznyakov isn't the jump specialist, he's the off-ice dance trainer.

still 15 year old isnt an adult, chances are she was just following her coaches orders to skate in NHK. They might had faced pressure once Trusova withdrew for Usacheva to continue even if there was something bothering her already, she was a sacrifical lamb, she had low chances of making the Olympics and was just hoping she will make an all russian GPF.

This is good news though if the rankings are the same as the SP, Kostornaia will make the GPF with just a silver in France.

Tarasova / Morozov are still flops under Tutberidze

 

[zoe111]

From sports.ru:

"
The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) explained the nature of the injury of the Russian figure skater Daria Usacheva.

Today Usacheva experienced pain while trying to perform a triple flip in the warm-up before performing in the short program at the Japanese Grand Prix . She had to withdraw from the competition.

“During the execution of the jumping element, the athlete had a ligament tear of one of the internal muscles of the right leg in the growth zone of the femur, which, unfortunately, is a fairly common case in world sports practice and is typical for athletes aged 13-17.

This injury requires not very long-term treatment and rehabilitation. In 99 percent of cases, an athlete returns to normal sports activities, ”the FFKR reported .

Earlier, Match TV reported that Usacheva's preliminary diagnosis was a trochanteric fracture of the hip."

When my daughter was still competing, she ended up with something similar. She was out about 7-8 weeks but made a full recovery. This is not career ending. Season ending, maybe but as was pointed out she wasn't going to make the Olympic team anyway. She is my favorite Eteri skater and she will be back. She's only 15 and is the most artistic of Eteri's skaters. if she can get a 3A, which it sounds like she's working on, then she will be in the game next year.

 

[Vash01]

and this confirms the long running curse:

That you can never be a successful skater named: Diana, Daria or Polina.

Im pretty sure we will not see Usacheva ever again, her potential one hit wonder season became a Flop.
Muravyeva, Samodelkina and Petrosyan all with Ultra Cs will be turning seniors for next season.

"Ever again"? Hyperbole. This is not a career ending injury. Daria is not going to stop learning more difficult jumps. In any case it is pointless to read your illogical posts.

 

[love_skate2011]

"Ever again"? Hyperbole. This is not a career ending injury. Daria is not going to stop learning more difficult jumps. In any case it is pointless to read your illogical posts.

her season is likely over, she may be back on the ice and competition next year but she will need a triple axel or a quad to be competitive, more juniors are moving seniors as I said, Muravyeva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan and Zinina all have at least a quad or a 3 axel.

 

[zoe111]

"Ever again"? Hyperbole. This is not a career ending injury. Daria is not going to stop learning more difficult jumps. In any case it is pointless to read your illogical posts.

Agreed. In looking at the video someone posted, it looks like a tear in the thigh ligament closer to the knee. She is moving her hip freely but not bending her knee or bearing weight. That would likely be a medial patellofemural ligament tear. 6-8 weeks out. yes season over, but she'll have a lot of time in the spring to work on the ultra-c type elements.

 

[pointbleu]

From sports.ru:

"
The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) explained the nature of the injury of the Russian figure skater Daria Usacheva.

Today Usacheva experienced pain while trying to perform a triple flip in the warm-up before performing in the short program at the Japanese Grand Prix . She had to withdraw from the competition.

“During the execution of the jumping element, the athlete had a ligament tear of one of the internal muscles of the right leg in the growth zone of the femur, which, unfortunately, is a fairly common case in world sports practice and is typical for athletes aged 13-17.

This injury requires not very long-term treatment and rehabilitation. In 99 percent of cases, an athlete returns to normal sports activities, ”the FFKR reported .

Earlier, Match TV reported that Usacheva's preliminary diagnosis was a trochanteric fracture of the hip."

Such a bad report. Ligaments are not in muscle and growth plates are not muscular or ligamentar but in the bone. That report says everything and nothing.

 

[rfisher]

To be fair to the federation, I doubt they have a full sense of the injury until they get a MRI scan.

 

[zoe111]

Such a bad report. Ligaments are not in muscle and growth plates are not muscular or ligamentar but in the bone. That report says everything and nothing.

But there are ligaments that attach to muscles at both the distal and proximal ends of the femur and it is at those ends that the growth plates areas are. so i think what they just mean is it's likely a ligament tear at one or the other end. Based on her fall i'm guessing the distal end, but who knows at this point.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

From sports.ru:https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...iz-ochevidno-chto-usacheva-priexala-v-to.html

American journalist Dave Lees: "It is obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with a pre-existing injury​

“It is absolutely obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with an already existing injury.
In America, if a 15-year-old girl gets a hip fracture, which is a very strong and durable bone, this in itself a reason to ask: why did the injury happen? It is clear after all that at this age it can only be associated with the density and strength of bones.
All the cases I know of with similar injuries that have happened to US skaters have been associated with an eating disorder in these girls.
As for the observance of medical secrecy, if this happens to a public person not in private, but at a public event, which is also broadcast on TV and attended by spectators, talking about medical secrecy is simply inappropriate.
Moreover, journalists in this situation have the right to any questions. They are obliged to provide information and provide maximum details on the topic, ”Liz said.

So that settles it, I guess? The comments section was worth a good snark though.

 

[Scott512]

Rumor is that Usacheva was already uncomfortable with her hip during practice hence that first report that was a hip fracture.

Their jump specailist is also blaming Usacheva for overtraining: It doesnt make sense coz if her hip was bothering her already who told her to skate in NHK, definitely her team.

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NHK could be an event where Tut Team wont win any gold, Tarasova / Morozov will flop again in the FS for sure. When was lat time this has happened ? Will Eteri be facing pressure now of having 2 injured skaters.

No she won't be facing any pressure. Sasha should be back by nationals and she will have 5 top skaters go going for the Olympic team
and a world class pairs team.

Skaters are struggling all over the world at the beginning of the Olympic season. We will know more after nationals.

I only wish much success and good health to all of them.

Hopefully Dasha did not suffer a career threatening injury. But athletes are athletes and they will play hurt. It's in their blood.

 

[Scott512]

From sports.ru:https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...iz-ochevidno-chto-usacheva-priexala-v-to.html

American journalist Dave Lees: "It is obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with a pre-existing injury​

“It is absolutely obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with an already existing injury.
In America, if a 15-year-old girl gets a hip fracture, which is a very strong and durable bone, this in itself a reason to ask: why did the injury happen? It is clear after all that at this age it can only be associated with the density and strength of bones.
All the cases I know of with similar injuries that have happened to US skaters have been associated with an eating disorder in these girls.
As for the observance of medical secrecy, if this happens to a public person not in private, but at a public event, which is also broadcast on TV and attended by spectators, talking about medical secrecy is simply inappropriate.
Moreover, journalists in this situation have the right to any questions. They are obliged to provide information and provide maximum details on the topic, ”Liz said.

So that settles it, I guess? The comments section was worth a good snark though.

I wouldn't think anything that guy says is legitimate after saying that Anna was a cheater.
But Dave knows how to stir the bleep and he knows talking about the Russiams will get him attention.

Athletes are Warriors and will play hurt.That is very risky but to them it is worth it.. I am hoping the best for Dasha and that she makes a full recovery.

 

[Scott512]

Agreed. In looking at the video someone posted, it looks like a tear in the thigh ligament closer to the knee. She is moving her hip freely but not bending her knee or bearing weight. That would likely be a medial patellofemural ligament tear. 6-8 weeks out. yes season over, but she'll have a lot of time in the spring to work on the ultra-c type elements.

Isn't it better if the damage is closer to the knee than the hip for a figure skater?

Sad for Dasha and it looks like the ultra jumps are not going that well for the top ladies these days. Rika is hurt all the time Sasha is hurt now Anna has been injured on and off and lost her quad for almost a year and Aliona has struggled to get her incredible triple axle back. I think in the next few years you might not see as many girls doing these ultra jumps as we thought we would see. Especially if they raise the age limit.

 

[hanca]

Agreed. In looking at the video someone posted, it looks like a tear in the thigh ligament closer to the knee. She is moving her hip freely but not bending her knee or bearing weight. That would likely be a medial patellofemural ligament tear. 6-8 weeks out. yes season over, but she'll have a lot of time in the spring to work on the ultra-c type elements.

Wow, you are so talented! Even my specialist couldn’t diagnose my hip injury just from watching video. I had to have various scans before they knew. But you managed just from looking at a short clip!

 

[Tobbe]

From sports.ru:https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...iz-ochevidno-chto-usacheva-priexala-v-to.html

American journalist Dave Lees: "It is obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with a pre-existing injury​

“It is absolutely obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with an already existing injury.
In America, if a 15-year-old girl gets a hip fracture, which is a very strong and durable bone, this in itself a reason to ask: why did the injury happen? It is clear after all that at this age it can only be associated with the density and strength of bones.
All the cases I know of with similar injuries that have happened to US skaters have been associated with an eating disorder in these girls.
As for the observance of medical secrecy, if this happens to a public person not in private, but at a public event, which is also broadcast on TV and attended by spectators, talking about medical secrecy is simply inappropriate.
Moreover, journalists in this situation have the right to any questions. They are obliged to provide information and provide maximum details on the topic, ”Liz said.

So that settles it, I guess? The comments section was worth a good snark though.

I am sooo tired of Dave L and his sensational scandal "journalism".

 

[Tobbe]

still 15 year old isnt an adult, chances are she was just following her coaches orders to skate in NHK. They might had faced pressure once Trusova withdrew for Usacheva to continue even if there was something bothering her already, she was a sacrifical lamb, she had low chances of making the Olympics and was just hoping she will make an all russian GPF.

This is good news though if the rankings are the same as the SP, Kostornaia will make the GPF with just a silver in France.

Tarasova / Morozov are still flops under Tutberidze

Chances are more likely that a 15 year old do what she wants and don't tell her coaches that she was in pain.

My nephew used to play football at quite a high level. Once, when he was 15, he had an important game. He had the flu, lied about it, took some Paracetamol, and went to play the match anyway. Because he knew that if he wasn't there he was out of the team...

This is the reality in all elite sports.

 

[Vash01]

not unless she at least gets a 3 axel. She will get pushed over by Samodelkina, Murayveya and Petrosyan next season.

She could have had a Sofia Samodurova one hit wonder season that too is gone, she wont get those scores again after this season
Stepsister1 can continue skating like Samodurova but her scores will continue to plummet, will Eteri tolerate that ?

You belong on my ignore list. I have no patience or tolerance for silly posts.

 

[zoe111]

Wow, you are so talented! Even my specialist couldn’t diagnose my hip injury just from watching video. I had to have various scans before they knew. But you managed just from looking at a short clip!

not at all. i've seen people including skaters with hip injuries. i've no idea what her injury is i simply said that most people with hip injuries are not able to move their leg back and forth at the hip the way she was. it's nothing more than my observation for the moment.

 

[overedge]

Athletes are Warriors and will play hurt.

No. This is the sort of unrealistic and hurtful expectations that Simone Biles is speaking out against.

 

[zoe111]

You belong on my ignore list. I have no patience or tolerance for silly posts.

hearitly agree.

 

[hanca]

not at all. i've seen people including skaters with hip injuries. i've no idea what her injury is i simply said that most people with hip injuries are not able to move their leg back and forth at the hip the way she was. it's nothing more than my observation for the moment.

Not necessarily. I had a hip injury, went to doctors, they couldn’t diagnose it (even with the various scans) so I continued skating. I went to four different specialists before they finally diagnosed it, skated with it for a year and by the time the last specialist finally figured out what was wrong, there were several injuries together. Then it was so urgent that the surgery was done very fast, the following day or the day after!

But when I got first injured, I was able to move leg forward and backwards. I could even skate with it! I just knew there was something wrong. When it was finally diagnosed, I couldn’t lift my leg high enough to go up the stairs, I had to grab my trousers and lift my leg manually!

 

[DreamSkates]

No. This is the sort of unrealistic and hurtful expectations that Simone Biles is speaking out against.

Yes Simone speaks out against this because this is what athletes do. Compete with injuries.

 

[skatingguy]

From sports.ru:https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...iz-ochevidno-chto-usacheva-priexala-v-to.html

American journalist Dave Lees: "It is obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with a pre-existing injury​

“It is absolutely obvious that Usacheva arrived in Tokyo with an already existing injury.
In America, if a 15-year-old girl gets a hip fracture, which is a very strong and durable bone, this in itself a reason to ask: why did the injury happen? It is clear after all that at this age it can only be associated with the density and strength of bones.
All the cases I know of with similar injuries that have happened to US skaters have been associated with an eating disorder in these girls.
As for the observance of medical secrecy, if this happens to a public person not in private, but at a public event, which is also broadcast on TV and attended by spectators, talking about medical secrecy is simply inappropriate.
Moreover, journalists in this situation have the right to any questions. They are obliged to provide information and provide maximum details on the topic, ”Liz said.

So that settles it, I guess? The comments section was worth a good snark though.

I wouldn't think anything that guy says is legitimate after saying that Anna was a cheater.
But Dave knows how to stir the bleep and he knows talking about the Russiams will get him attention.

Athletes are Warriors and will play hurt.That is very risky but to them it is worth it.. I am hoping the best for Dasha and that she makes a full recovery.

I am sooo tired of Dave L and his sensational scandal "journalism".

So I listened to the video that Dave posted, and I have to say that it is almost unlistenable because he does this faux Russian accent through out the video. That being said, in this case Dave is reading news articles from sports.ru which includes this article with quotes from Averbukh that Ushaeva was injured before arriving in Japan. This isn't the first time that we've seen this & it seems to be a thing that sports.ru likes to do. They quote Dave quoting their articles - it's a toxic cycle between sports.ru & The Skating Lesson.

Ilya Averbukh: "It was clear that Usacheva was going to the Japanese Grand Prix injured"​

Илья Авербух: «Было понятно, что Усачева едет на Гран-при Японии травмированной»

Хореограф Илья Авербух прокомментировал травму российской фигуристки Дарьи Усачевой на Гран-при Японии .

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