Royalty Thread#12 Tiaras, Palaces & Gilded Cages

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Harry and Meghan's Archewell trademark suggests plan for non-profit empire

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex appear to be planning a wide-ranging non-profit empire, including websites, films and their own awards, according to trademark applications lodged in the US under the name of Archewell....

Archewell, derived from the Greek word arche, meaning “sources of action”, was the inspiration for the name of their son, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor, the couple have revealed. It replaces the Sussex Royal brand they had originally trademarked in the UK, but were banned from using by Buckingham Palace.
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There's a color photo of little Archie with his parents. Those of you wanting to see red hair should take a look.

I didn't say that the red hair was on Archie, now did I? :P
 
The world's interest in other things these weeks seem to me to have been beneficial to lessen the overexposure of the Sussex family. I am only speaking for myself but I hope they hold off on websites, films - whatever - and stay lower key until covid 19 is more managed and the world is ready for something new.
 
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puglover said:
The world's interest in other things these weeks seem to me to have been beneficial to lessen the overexposure of the Sussex family. I am only speaking for myself but I hope they hold off on websites, films - whatever - and stay lower key until ********* 19 is more managed and the world is ready for something new.
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But that's their plan if you read what they've said. If you are referencing the Disney film, Meghan did the voiceover narration for Elephant last fall, and she has no control over when or how Disney released the documentary.

In fact, the continued unrequited thirst and non-stop over-interest in the Sussexes by British tabloids, royal reporters, and some members of the public is why M&H made the announcement/ confirmation of the charitable organization name they filed applications for in March. The Daily Telegraph had nosed around and discovered the Sussex trademarks applications, so M&H were forced (once again) to make a statement in order to stay ahead of tabloid leaks and misrepresentation. The same happened to M&H when Trump recently tweeted idiotically about their security arrangements. The same happened in January when Harry was told to give Charles something in writing about their desired plans, and details of what Harry wrote were immediately leaked to The Sun.

Of course, the Sussexes continue to be blamed for everything, including for existing and breathing.

Meanwhile, I have to laugh about the fact that the Sussexes clearly have done a lot right that in general they both, and especially Meghan, are always criticized for. But yet, M&H's ideas and approaches to doing work are often copied and/or found to be inspirational. Now, since their departure from senior royal public duties, the Queen has snapped up M&H's former communications officer, Sarah Latham. And it's being reported that the Cambridges have quickly hired/ co-opted M&H's young, former digital communications lead, David Watkins, who worked closely with Meghan on crafting the Sussexes' former record-breaking Instagram account:

www.hellomagazine.com

The Queen hires one of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's former top aides

The Sussexes will no longer have a team at Buckingham Palace
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When Sara Latham was hired by M&H, and throughout Latham's tenure with them, the British media and royal reporters overly criticized and belittled Latham. As soon as the Queen hired Latham, the British media and RRs began singing Latham's praises to the high heavens. :p All along Latham has been a superb, experienced communications professional having previously worked in top positions for President Obama, and for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. In addition, Latham is a dual U.S./U.K. citizen who has served legislators in the British government with her highly regarded expertise. And obviously, David Watkins was a smart hire by the Sussexes, who became available to be grabbed by the Cambridges after the Sussexes closed their Instagram circa March 31, having been told they can no longer use the word 'royal.' :lol:
 
So I have started a new thread for Harry & Meghan. They have moved on from royalty and there is bound to be a ton of discussion once they get going with their new foundation so a dedicated thread seems appropriate.
 
aftershocks said:
But that's their plan if you read what they've said. If you are referencing the Disney film, Meghan did the voiceover narration for Elephant last fall, and she has no control over when or how Disney released the documentary.

In fact, the continued unrequited thirst and non-stop over-interest in the Sussexes by British tabloids, royal reporters, and some members of the public is why M&H made the announcement/ confirmation of the charitable organization name they filed applications for in March. The Daily Telegraph had nosed around and discovered the Sussex trademarks applications, so M&H were forced (once again) to make a statement in order to stay ahead of tabloid leaks and misrepresentation. The same happened to M&H when Trump recently tweeted idiotically about their security arrangements. The same happened in January when Harry was told to give Charles something in writing about their desired plans, and details of what Harry wrote were immediately leaked to The Sun.

Of course, the Sussexes continue to be blamed for everything, including for existing and breathing.

Meanwhile, I have to laugh about the fact that the Sussexes clearly have done a lot right that in general they both, and especially Meghan, are always criticized for. But yet, M&H's ideas and approaches to doing work are often copied and/or found to be inspirational. Now, since their departure from senior royal public duties, the Queen has snapped up M&H's former communications officer, Sarah Latham. And it's being reported that the Cambridges have quickly hired/ co-opted M&H's young, former digital communications lead, David Watkins, who worked closely with Meghan on crafting the Sussexes' former record-breaking Instagram account:

www.hellomagazine.com

The Queen hires one of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's former top aides

The Sussexes will no longer have a team at Buckingham Palace
www.hellomagazine.com www.hellomagazine.com


When Sara Latham was hired by M&H, and throughout Latham's tenure with them, the British media and royal reporters overly criticized and belittled Latham. As soon as the Queen hired Latham, the British media and RRs began singing Latham's praises to the high heavens. :p All along Latham has been a superb, experienced communications professional having previously worked in top positions for President Obama, and for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. In addition, Latham is a dual U.S./U.K. citizen who has served legislators in the British government with her highly regarded expertise. And obviously, David Watkins was a smart hire by the Sussexes, who became available to be grabbed by the Cambridges after the Sussexes closed their Instagram circa March 31, having been told they can no longer use the word 'royal.' :lol:
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Well, just so we are straight on this - I am not blaming M&H for the tremendous exposure they receive and I was not referencing anything they have done. It just seems to me that as they now wish to go forward with their own initiatives and put some of all this ballyhoo over reducing their royal duties behind them - having the media otherwise occupied for a period of time currently seems like a positive for them to me.
 
mag said:
So I have started a new thread for Harry & Meghan. They have moved on from royalty and there is bound to be a ton of discussion once they get going with their new foundation so a dedicated thread seems appropriate.
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So any news about Princess Anne's children/grandchildren won't go in this thread either? Or Edward's kids? Just because he's not using it, Harry was born a prince & nothing will wipe that out or make people forget it. I have no interest in your petty thread.
 
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taf2002 said:
Just because he's not using it, Harry was born a prince & nothing will wipe that out or make people forget it.
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As far as I know; Meghan and Harry are simply not using their titles at the moment.
Nothing has been taken away from them.

IMO, the idea of a dedicated thread, seems better than the way they were being treated in this one.
 
skatesindreams said:
IM

As far as I know; Meghan and Harry are simply not using their titles at the moment.
Nothing has been taken away from them.

IMO, the idea of a dedicated thread, seems better than the way they were being treated in this one.
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Do you think the sniping will stop? And I still say the motive behind that thread was petty. Other family members don't use their title & no one makes a thread to talk about them.
 
taf2002 said:
So any news about Princess Anne's children/grandchildren won't go in this thread either? Or Edward's kids? Just because he's not using it, Harry was born a prince & nothing will wipe that out or make people forget it. I have no interest in your petty thread.
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I just thought that there are a ton of posts about Harry and Meghan and will be even more when they officially launch their new foundation. There will also be information about their green travel company and posts about Meghan’s career, assuming she continues to do narration or voice overs. Which seems likely given the reviews of her first effort. It simply seemed easier to have it all in one place. By the way, it was Harry who asked to be called “Harry” when he was introduced at a speech he gave when he was back in the U.K. - hence the thread title “Just call me Harry.”

If people would prefer to keep all of that in this thread then that works too.

You know we have general “Canadian Ladies” threads and then for skaters who create a lot of traffic we often give them their own threads. I don’t remember there being complaints about that.
 
I don’t know how to link to Instagram stories, but if you have Instagram it is well worth taking a look at the the Kensington Royal story. It is a bunch of kids talking about their parents who are essential workers. I believe they all go to the school William and Kate visited virtually yesterday.
 
taf2002 said:
Do you think the sniping will stop? And I still say the motive behind that thread was petty. Other family members don't use their title & no one makes a thread to talk about them.
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Princess Anne's children and grandchildren do not have titles to use. Prince Edward's children do have titles and they are used.
 
Parsley Sage said:
Anne and Edward are full time working royals. Harry and Meghan are not.
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Lots of people talked about in this thread aren't full-time working royals. ?‍♀️ Also, it is not accurate to say that Harry & Meghan aren't royals. Harry didn't abdicate so he's still royal.

If someone thinks Harry & Meghan deserve their own thread and starts one, I think that's fine. Whether or not people want to post in it is another issue. I suspect it will be like a lot of instances where there is a separate thread and a general thread -- for some things, they will be talked about in both places and it will be confusing.
 
MacMadame said:
Lots of people talked about in this thread aren't full-time working royals. ?‍♀️ Also, it is not accurate to say that Harry & Meghan aren't royals. Harry didn't abdicate so he's still royal.

If someone thinks Harry & Meghan deserve their own thread and starts one, I think that's fine. Whether or not people want to post in it is another issue. I suspect it will be like a lot of instances where there is a separate thread and a general thread -- for some things, they will be talked about in both places and it will be confusing.
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Harry and Meghan are still royals, just not working royals - they don't do work on behalf of the Queen.
 
puglover said:
Well, just so we are straight on this - I am not blaming M&H for the tremendous exposure they receive and I was not referencing anything they have done. It just seems to me that as they now wish to go forward with their own initiatives and put some of all this ballyhoo over reducing their royal duties behind them - having the media otherwise occupied for a period of time currently seems like a positive for them to me.
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As I said previously, I find it very telling that as soon as the Sussexes stepped away from senior royal duties, both the Queen and the Cambridges eagerly snapped up two of M&H's top level staff. Sara Latham and her communications work for the Sussexes had been routinely dissed and criticized, just as the SussexRoyal Instagram account's unique style and approach had been mocked and dragged. Obviously, the Sussexes were, are and have all along been doing something right and something worthy of emulating.

In my view, the ballyhoo over the Sussexes stepping back and the ongoing media preoccupation with them are all part of the same thing for the same reason. The media is using the Sussexes, their marriage, their son, and anything about their lives to make money, whether or not what's written about them is true or not. And most of the blather is made-up nonsense, twisted mischaracterizations or overdone rehash. Obviously, it's no fault of M&H's own, but the reported accounts never read that way. As I said, M&H are unfairly blamed simply for existing and breathing.

How they are countering all of this with as much dignity and grace as possible is praiseworthy. No matter what they do, the media will find something to blame. They are being blamed in a number of media outlets for responding to The Telegraph seeking a response from them about the Archewell trademark filings. By now, the media's raking and trashing over the Sussexes has gone way past reaching the level of ridiculous. In order to be able to judge the Sussexes fairly or even to be reasonably critical of anything about them, it's necessary to tear away so many layers of crap. The crap includes blatant racism and dog-whistling, despite most people wanting to put that aside and dismiss it as not being that bad or that prevalent or that significant. It's all three.

The continued policing over the issue of M&H wishing to be financially independent is so egregious, it's alarming. Especially since the media's number one motive is to make money off of them, all the while bloviating over their desire to become financially independent and exempt from the largely false claims they are living off of British taxpayers. The other part of this is the fact M&H have been continually criticized for every move they make, even for doing things that other members of the British royal family routinely do or have done. The Sussexes have become positioned by the media as the scapegoats, the whipping boys, and the money-making commodities.

Thus, even when the Sussexes are under-the-radar and out of the public eye, there are still all kinds of largely trivial stories constantly being written about them (again for monetary purposes of the perpetrators and the opportunists). I would disagree with you that such overdone, mostly negative publicity and constant targeting benefits them in any way. They are the ones who are bearing that constant pressure, and they are the ones who have to find viable and dignified ways of end-running such OTT harassment, in order to maintain control of their own personal narrative and of their true identities and of their positive intentions going forward.

The Sussexes took the palace leaks and media abuse quietly for over a year-and-half throughout Meghan's pregnancy and Archie's birth (and that's not even counting the harassment Meghan endured during their courtship). Immediately before and after Archie's birth, that's probably when M&H began planning in earnest a better way forward for their lives and for their son's future.

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If you mean that the media focusing on writing stories which aren't about the Sussexes would be a positive for the Sussexes, sure. Tell the media that! It certainly hasn't happened much yet, through no fault of the Sussexes. However, what with all the increased rehashes about Diana and the uptick in efforts to find more stories to write about other British royals, that means at least some of the leaks and fresh fodder for the media to latch onto about the Sussexes, are beginning to dry up. :p So much so that The Daily Telegraph reporter resorted to another level of unnecessary, beyond the bounds snooping to prematurely uncover the Archewell trademark filings.

IMO, it's more than a bit presumptuous for anyone to police or to suggest what the Sussexes should or should not be doing (when in fact, they've already said their current plan is to focus on their private lives at this time of worldwide crisis). No matter what the Sussexes do or say, for the present time, they are being chased and dragged, relentlessly. Surely over time, the worst of this godawful over-attention on the Sussexes will pass. It will likely begin to happen more-so when the Cambridge kids grow up, and the media's hot spotlight begins to circle, scent, and unleash it's pent-up, objectifying, monetizing fury upon them. God help them! And may Archie (& any future sibling) please be nowhere in the vicinity of that heat-seeking targeting!
 
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