Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[chapis]

Sorry, I don’t quite understand what you’re saying?

This thread was started by someone who said he’d been told by a reliable source that the decision had been made and Adam had been told. If that’s true, it means someone has leaked confidential information, not just that someone looked at the selection criteria and guessed.

Yes, but why it would be confidential if they are following criteria written and leaked months ago?

 

[kittyjake5]

I think the decision has been made and will be announced at the same time that they announce the Ice Dance Team. Because of possible backlash and of course the media spin which could be determental to the rest of the competition.

 

[thvu]

Thank you. I had no idea.

The next thing you will tell me is that the sun rises in the east.

And after that, you'll tell me that the USFSA should have left Paul Wylie off the Olympic Team in 1992.

No, what I'm telling you is that the notion of taking a Nationals score and saying it has legitimacy in any way internationally is rubbish. Absolute and complete rubbish.

 

[thvu]

I think the decision has been made and will be announced at the same time that they announce the Ice Dance Team. Because of possible backlash and of course the media spin which could be determental to the rest it the competition.

The announcement is happening 8:15 am PT.

 

[Tavi]

ISU Mens' Season's Best Scores Plus One:

1 319.84 Shoma UNO JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 16.09.2017
2 293.79 Nathan CHEN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
3 290.77 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
4 283.71 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
5 282.00 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 08.12.2017
274.51 Ross MINER USA United States Championships 2018 07.01.2018
6 271.12 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
7 266.45 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017

Food for thought.

You don’t really think they’re comparable do you? Ross’s ISU PB is 248+ and that’s from 2015. His ISU SB is 233.72.

 

[skatingguy]

And after that, you'll tell me that the USFSA should have left Paul Wylie off the Olympic Team in 1992.

Absolutely.



Cause then Kurt Browning would have been 3rd after the short program and would have won the free skate.

 

[Yazmeen]

That’s disgusting. Horrible quadless journeyman

Do you actually EVER see anything on the ice besides quads? I'm honestly surprised you didn't go to San Jose just to stalk Lysacek and unload on him about his "horribleness."

 

[BittyBug]

Yes, but why it would be confidential if they are following criteria written and leaked months ago?

The criteria weren’t leaked - they were published and in particular, provided to the skaters.

 

[Tavi]

Yes, but why it would be confidential if they are following criteria written and leaked months ago?

I’m sorry if I’m not being clear. The criteria are not confidential. The decision of the selection committee is not yet public, and was supposed to remain confidential until the public announcement was made.

 

[chapis]

The criteria weren’t leaked - they were published and in particular, provided to the skaters.

yes, by bad, my english is not good, my point is they are only corroborating the criteria, which anyone can verify as well. It should not be kind of a surprise news that must keep super confidential.

 

[kittyjake5]

The announcement is happening 8:15 am PT.

Thanks. Makes sense I thought it was EST

 

[allezfred]

ISU Mens' Season's Best Scores Plus One:

1 319.84 Shoma UNO JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 16.09.2017
2 293.79 Nathan CHEN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
3 290.77 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
4 283.71 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
5 282.00 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 08.12.2017
274.51 Ross MINER USA United States Championships 2018 07.01.2018
6 271.12 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
7 266.45 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017

Food for thought.

In terms of food for thought, scores at US Nationals (or any nationals) are the equivalent of McDonalds.

 

[skatingguy]

In terms of food for thought, scores at US Nationals (or any nationals) are the equivalent of McDonalds.

I would have gone with White Castle. National's scores are so 'high' that White Castle is the only place to eat.

 

[thvu]

Thanks. Makes sense I thought it was EST

I only know because Phil Hersh tweeted it.

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/949857430111793152

 

[Gazpacho]

Yes, but why it would be confidential if they are following criteria written and leaked months ago?

yes, by bad, my point is they are only corroborating the criteria, which anyone can verify as well. It should not be kind of a surprise news.

Because the criteria are fuzzy and subjective like everything in skating. If the criteria were as clear as a clock race, no one would be having this discussion.

The criteria merely list the competitions which will be considered and groups those competitions into tiers. The criteria do not specify a mathematical formula.

This decision will be heavily influenced by nebulous factors. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, just that it makes the decision complicated and much less straightforward than a clear formula.

 

[Tavi]

yes, by bad, my point is they are only corroborating the criteria, which anyone can verify as well.

Anyone can guess, which is what you’re talking about. That’s not at all the same thing as revealing non public information. The selection decision is actually a confidential business decision.

In his press conference a few days ago, the USFS president stated that skaters would be told after the decision was made, but the information was to be kept confidential until it was publicly announced.

 

[rfisher]

I think the decision has been made and will be announced at the same time that they announce the Ice Dance Team. Because of possible backlash and of course the media spin which could be determental to the rest of the competition.

Um, this wasn't shown on NBC due to the football game and only die hard skating fans were probably watching. As long as Nathan is going, the general public (who doesn't know who the other skaters are to begin with) won't even flick an eyebrow. Ross, unlike a female skater who is whining to the media, won't. This will be a non-issue except to us. NBC couldn't care less about a big reveal. There will be no media backlash this time.

 

[chapis]

okay, so the criteria are only a facade, as usual, they make the decision. No wonder why Spain does whatever they want too.

 

[Rukia]

okay, so the criteria are only a facade, as usual, they make the decision. No wonder why Spain does whatever they want too.

No, I think they followed the criteria. If you look at the charts with body of work, it's pretty easy to justify a team of Chen Zhou Rippon. Is it fair? I don't know. But it's justifiable.

Meanwhile the selection committee must be really happy that Nathan skated good enough. If he had imploded they would have definitely been crying in a hotel bathroom.

 

[GreatLakesGal]

What I'm curious about is who will be the first alternate for the Olympics? Ross or Jason?

Given all the injuries we're seeing this season, that first alternate could very well end up going.

 

[allezfred]

I would have gone with White Castle. National's scores are so 'high' that White Castle is the only place to eat.

Not familiar with White Castle so had to go with what I know.

 

[Vash01]

That decision was not based on Mirai's Nationals performance though, nor on her body of work. It was based on the politics of dislike and/or not liking some of the skater's choices (the fact Mirai did not have a coach, and that she'd left Frank and had gotten an unfortunate, possibly false reputation for being difficult). Gracie was the favorite, and Polina was the beloved newbie who did not really have any senior-level body of work, nor any exceptionally great junior 'body of work,' aside from junior Nationals.

I agree with everything you wrote. That is why I have a problem with the 'body of work'. It is being used only when they want to, for or against certain skaters.

I am no Ashley fan, and I love Mirai, but I partially understand why they chose her over Mirai. Ashley had contributed a lot to the US getting the spots, she was just one placement behind Mirai, and they had more confidence in her ability to win a medal, no matter how distant that possibility was. Had she placed 7-9 at the nationals, it would have been a lot harder to justify her selection.

My problem was that this was such a rare decision that to me at least, it appeared inconsistent, given that in the past they had sent the podium finishers to the Olympics, so Mirai was understandably expecting to be named to the team. 'Body of work' sounded like an excuse. I also believed that they did not bump Polina because they wanted their own 15 year old who had Russian roots. So imo the judges gave her high marks to put her in second place, making it harder to bump her. I think if anyone was to be bumped for Ashley, it should have been Polina, due to her lack of senior experience. Mirai had been brilliant at the 2010 Olympics. Her Olympic experience should have received consideration.

It is different when a medal winner at the previous worlds cannot compete due to an injury, like Todd Eldredge in 1992. This criterion was well known at the time.

It was different when Michelle was selected over Emily. She was a five time world champion who could not be at the nationals due to her injury. She skated in front of the committee later and proved that she was able to compete. There shouldn't have been any argument against this decision but the media questioned it.

I think there has been more communication about the criteria by the Usfsa, since 2014, so the skaters are somewhat prepared for it, and fans are already arguing about who should or should not be bumped.

My opinion is that they should go with the podium at the nationals, except when a top skater (e.g. Won a world medal in the last two or three years) is injured.

 

[taf2002]

I wish Grant was on the Olympic Team.

I would be less upset if Adam did not just leave out elements (single jumps with no apparent effort to do multiple rotations) because he was caught up in his own mind and forgot he was in the middle of a competition program.

Oh, is that why he did single jumps? I didn't know because I wasn't in his head.

 

[smarts1]

If they pull a Wagner (which it sounds like they might be), USFSA is going to get a lot of flack from the press (especially if they pull off the silver medalist from the team)... Hopefully they do a better job of explaining the issue than they did 4 years ago...

 

[Gazpacho]

If they pull a Wagner (which it sounds like they might be), USFSA is going to get a lot of flack from the press... Hopefully they do a better job of explaining the issue than they did 4 years ago...

I'm anticipating the "gay agenda" angle from the right wing media already

 

[Skittl1321]

If they pull a Wagner (which it sounds like they might be), USFSA is going to get a lot of flack from the press... Hopefully they do a better job of explaining the issue than they did 4 years ago...

It's easier now though because they did it 4 years ago. Recent precedent

 

[becca]

I agree with everything you wrote. That is why I have a problem with the 'body of work'. It is being used only when they want to, for or against certain skaters.

I am no Ashley fan, and I love Mirai, but I partially understand why they chose her over Mirai. Ashley had contributed a lot to the US getting the spots, she was just one placement behind Mirai, and they had more confidence in her ability to win a medal, no matter how distant that possibility was. Had she placed 7-9 at the nationals, it would have been a lot harder to justify her selection.

My problem was that this was such a rare decision that to me at least, it appeared inconsistent, given that in the past they had sent the podium finishers to the Olympucs, so Mirai was understandably expecting to be named to the team. 'Body of work' sounded like an excuse. I also believed that they did not bump Polina because they wanted their own 15 year old who had Russian roots. So imo the judges gave her high marks to put her in second place, making it harder to bump her. I think if anyone was to be bumped for Ashley, it should have been Polina, due to her lack of senior experience. Mirai had been brilliant at the 2010 Olympics. Her Olympic experience should have received consideration.

It is different when a medal winner at the previous worlds cannot compete due to an injury, like Todd Eldredge in 1992. This criterion was well known at the time.

It was different when Michelle was selected over Emily. She was a five time world champion who could not be at the nationals due to her injury. She skated in front of the committee later and proved that she was able to compete. There shouldn't have been any argument against this decision but the media questioned it.

I think there has been more communication about the criteria by the Usfsa, so the skaters are somewhat prepared for it, and fans are already arguing about who should or should not be bumped.

My opinion is that they should go with the podium at the nationals, except when a top skater (e.g. Won a world medal in the last two years) is injured.

Polina places fourth with at JGPF with total TES that was higher than most of the senior US ladies. I think her scores over the next two years which were higher than Nagasus backed up sending her.

The problem I have with body of work is it can be used to hold down younger skaters.

I think it should only be used for legit contenders.

 

[Vagabond]

No, what I'm telling you is that the notion of taking a Nationals score and saying it has legitimacy in any way internationally is rubbish. Absolute and complete rubbish.

I know that what is what you were saying. I also knew the truth of what you were saying before you posted it. And I know that you were being patronizing.

Oddly enough, most people don't like being patronized.

 

[Vash01]

No offense, but I am just going to wait until there is an official announcement of the team. Speculation could drive me crazy.

 

[levineismine]

Brennan just tweeted
https://twitter.com/cbrennansports/status/950023455231025152
Breaking Olympic selection news: I have confirmed with three sources that the US men’s Olympic figure skating team will be Nathan Chen, Vincent Zhou and Adam Rippon. Ross Miner, 2nd place finisher at US Nationals, has been dropped.