Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

I don't understand why the men's team hasn't been announced yet. It was indicated last night that the decision would be made within a few hours. The women's team was announced by early the following morning, yet we still wait....
 
Urgh. This takes me back to the 2005/6 Australian Championships where Miriam Manzano won, but was bumped from the Torino Olympic Team for Joanne Carter. Manzano even took the decision to court, if I recall correctly.

Anyway, the outcome seemed to affect both skaters.

Carter was sent to the games where she missed two jumping passes in the short, and did not make the free. Manzano was sent to worlds where she did not get out of qualifying.
 
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Zemgirl said:
I really don't get the :argue::drama: about the apparent decision. The USFSA has finally caught up with the rest of the skating world in sending the best skaters across multiple events. Nationals is an important consideration, but no longer the only consideration. After what happened to Mirai Nagasu in 2014, they should all know this.
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Yes, I really don't get the outrage. You can be crap all season (for the past two years honestly in Ross' case) but because you suddenly have one good competition, you're worthy of the Olympics? Nope. There's really not going to be an outcry like some people think. Gymnastics has been this way since 2000 and people are used to it.
 
So, what are the criteria to go for body work? Ashley did not have better body work than Karen and even Mirai?

And body work is from how many time? 1, 2 years?
 
caseyedwards said:
Todd Eldridge wasn’t there. Mitchell didn’t beat him and they all knew the situation! This is a thorough beating of a frontrunner! Rippon isn’t even equal with the best like eldredge was potentially. Ripppon just a throwback quadless journeyman!
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That sounds like the title of a minor Dylan album from the 70s, or perhaps one by Neil Young.
 
BittyBug said:
The chart doesn’t answer your questions? The criteria are results from the listed tiers of competitions. There is no formula or specified weighting.
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yes, I get it now. I would like the same chart about women.
 
Frau Muller said:
So did Ross know, before traveling to San Jose, that he had no chance of making the Olympic team unless he won the Nationals title? Was he sent that memo ahead of time?
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I think most skaters not named Nathan Chen, Adam Rippon, Jason Brown, and Vincent Zhou -- the four who had the greatest "body of work" based on the criteria -- knew that they'd need to overwhelmingly defeat at least two of the above. A resounding, high-margin victory was the only way left to change the balance of the body of work.

If Ross's victory margin over Zhou and Rippon had been say, 20+ points, it may be a different story. If he was clearly superior to Zhou and Rippon in both the short program and free skate, it may be a different story. Perhaps if he also did a quad in the short program or if he did two in the free skate, it would be a different story.

I see two big problems for Ross, despite the silver medal:
(1) sixth place in the short program (with a generous panel who did not call an "e" on his flip); as I said on the other thread, I'm not convinced he could even qualify for the free skate with an international panel calling / judging
(2) the free skate placement is entirely dependent on the quad, which he has landed once.... in forever.

Given his lack of international results, he really needed his skating to demonstrate that his (deserved) placement was not a fluke. I don't think he did that. It's too easy to construct a storyline that this was all a fluke, dependent on a fluke landing of a jump that he has missed 90% of the time. The sample size of one quad leaves so much doubt.

If he really wanted to be on the Olympic team, IMO his strategy was too conservative. He needed quads in both programs, and preferably two in the free.

By comparison, I think Grant Hochstein "got the memo" on what he needed to do, and I give him credit for planning the type of content he would have needed for a win resounding enough to rebalance the criteria in his favor.
 
I am taking this post from IongGrey from goldenskate: Just as an example lets look at the ladies, I'm going to rationalize why Wagner wasn't picked. First from Nats, we have BT 1st, MN 2nd, KC 3rd, AW 4th. Nobody qualified for GPF. In worlds, we have KC 4th, AW 7th. In 4CC, MN 3rd, KC 12th. In GP, BT and AW each placed 3rd once, MN placed 4th once, and Karen never broke top 5. BT had the highest score with 204, MN at 194, while AW and KC both have 183-184. So, obvious clear picks are MN and BT. And we notice that in both T1 comps where AW and KC participated, KC beat AW. So there was no reason to pick AW over KC.

So, if they really are using criteria, it should be Ross out.

And, it is the first time that Ross land 4s in competition? wow
 
Sam Auxier said that all of the skaters knew the selection criteria.

The USFS wants to medal in the team event. Nathan is unlikely to skate both programs, so it matters which other guys they choose.

I’m not a huge Adam fan, but he worked his butt off this year, and outside of Nathan, he’s been the most consistent US guy this season - he’s really only skated one bad program - the FS here. Ross skated well last night, but he meets almost none of the selection criteria and since 2010, has rarely done well in senior international competitions, especially at the World level. Ross is 26. I can absolutely see why they’d choose Adam over him. I can also see why they would keep Vincent over Ross. He hasn’t had a great GP season, but he’s only 17, was impressive here despite the under rotations, and won Junior Worlds this season. So even though he’s not consistent enough to rely on for the team event, I get why they’d go with him over Ross.

On another note, if this information is true, I’m guessing USFS will be pretty pissed at whoever leaked it.
 
Louis said:
I think most skaters not named Nathan Chen, Adam Rippon, Jason Brown, and Vincent Zhou -- the four who had the greatest "body of work" based on the criteria -- knew that they'd need to overwhelmingly defeat at least two of the above. A resounding, high-margin victory was the only way left to change the balance of the body of work.
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Exactly! People are going on about Ross performing well under pressure but was he really under that much pressure? I doubt he went into Nationals thinking that he had a realistic shot at making the Olympic team. And if he had been in 2nd place after the short program, I have my doubts that he would have skated as well as he did. Probably would have popped the quad sal, like he normally does.
 
My eyebrows are immaculate; my tri-axel unstoppable,
My derriere legitimate; my shoulder highly poppable.
See Jackie's chart and watch my free from NHK and SkAm again;
I am the very model of a throwback quadless journeyman.
 
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Tavi said:
competitions, especially at the World level. Ross is 26. I can absolutely see why they’d choose Adam over him. I can also see why they would keep Vincent over Ross. He hasn’t had a great GP season, but he’s only 17, was impressive here despite the under rotations, and won Junior Worlds this season. So even though he’s not consistent enough to rely on for the team event, I get why they’d go with him over Ross.

On another note, if this information is true, I’m guessing USFS will be pretty pissed at whoever leaked it.
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well, this is not their decision, the criteria are out there.
 
Seerek said:
It's interesting, many of the other countries now utilize Season Best/World Standing/GP or ISU Challenger Total Score criteria for their qualifications.

Compare this to Russia, who went w/top 3 men for Euros, with the 4th place finisher having made Grand Prix Final and effectively out of the Olympic race.
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But Russia flat-out manipulates its nationals results to make sure the correct people medal. Sotskova had an incredibly-nervy FS, with lots of cheated jumps. But they weren't called and her PCS marks were in the 9s. They want her on the Euros team, which she deserves based on body of work, and they give her the marks to make sure that happens. They avoid controversy by fixing the results. Unfortunately for Voronov, Russia didn't want to fix the results in his favor so no body of work can save him.
 
ISU Mens' Season's Best Scores Plus One:

1 319.84 Shoma UNO JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 16.09.2017
2 293.79 Nathan CHEN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
3 290.77 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
4 283.71 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
5 282.00 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 08.12.2017
:) 274.51 Ross MINER USA United States Championships 2018 07.01.2018
6 271.12 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
7 266.45 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017

Food for thought.

:COP:
 
Vagabond said:
ISU Mens' Season's Best Scores Plus One:

1 319.84 Shoma UNO JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 16.09.2017
2 293.79 Nathan CHEN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
3 290.77 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
4 283.71 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
5 282.00 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 08.12.2017
:) 274.51 Ross MINER USA United States Championships 2018 07.01.2018
6 271.12 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
7 266.45 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017

Food for thought.

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US Championships though...
 
DBZ said:
I guess it turns out Adam's mom was on the selection committee. :rofl:

Low blow, I know, but someone would've said it eventually. Might as well get it out of the way.:lynch:
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But he is the KING OF SASS!!!
 
Vagabond said:
ISU Mens' Season's Best Scores Plus One:

1 319.84 Shoma UNO JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 16.09.2017
2 293.79 Nathan CHEN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
3 290.77 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
4 283.71 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
5 282.00 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 08.12.2017
:) 274.51 Ross MINER USA United States Championships 2018 07.01.2018
6 271.12 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
7 266.45 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017

Food for thought.

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US Championships....and it's highly doubtful Ross would be scored that with an international panel.
 
chapis said:
well, this is not their decision, the criteria are out there.
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Sorry, I don’t quite understand what you’re saying?

This thread was started by someone who said he’d been told by a reliable source that the decision had been made and Adam had been told. If that’s true, it means someone has leaked confidential information, not just that someone looked at the selection criteria and guessed.
 
thvudragon said:
@Vagabond There's really nothing to think about. Scores at US Nationals can in no way objectively be compared to international scores.
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Thank you. I had no idea. :)

The next thing you will tell me is that the sun rises in the east.

And after that, you'll tell me that the USFSA should have left Paul Wylie off the Olympic Team in 1992.
 
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