Prince Andrew

The whole thing is sordid. A man of world experience like Andrew should have easily recognized that the estate of Epstein and all the young girls was shady. I cannot see how he could not have seen that. He knew he was wrong but wanted to have the fun.
 
canbelto said:
His punishment is going to be not walking with the family at Christmas?
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Eh, that's NOT punishment for Andrew's misdeeds, it's rebuff for his stupidity. And it's also self-serving p.r. for the royal family. They need Andrew not to be there with other family members, or the stories and articles on Christmas day will continue to majorly discuss the Andrew/Epstein scandal (not that those stories and fallout will exactly be slowing down any time soon). In fact, perhaps some royal family members sent the message that they wouldn't be showing up at Sandringham and the traditional church walk if Andrew was planning to be there!

And per the commentary between Vagabond and @MacMadame, you both make good points as pertains to what's going on surrounding the Epstein scandal and the legalities of Andrew's involvement.

One thing to note: according to Giuffre's account, there were three separate occasions in which she was 'trafficked' to Prince Andrew by Epstein and Ghislaine: in London, in New York, and during an 'orgy' on Epstein's private island retreat in the Caribbean. So the New York episode is subject to U.S. laws. However, it's doubtful that Prince Andrew will ever be charged with any wrongdoing in the United States.
 
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taf2002 said:
Some families close ranks & act like their loved one is innocent. The RF is not doing that.
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They may not be doing it as much post Andrew's ill-advised, horrific BBC interview. But in part as an attempt at shielding the monarchy, they DID do exactly what you mention for years, ever since Giuffre's initial accusation against Prince Andrew first surfaced years ago, along with the incriminating photograph.

Remember the Queen riding in the car to church with Andrew at Balmoral in August, in the aftermath of Epstein's suicide. In addition, sometime shortly after Giuffre's initial accusation, the Queen awarded Prince Andrew with the Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order.

Sometimes such honors are meant to signal the Queen's respect & admiration, and/or a larger acceptance and protection bestowed in the midst of public negativity. For example, a few days after the Times article blow-up on Easter Sunday, which escalated rumors on Twitter of William having cheated on his wife, the Queen awarded the Duchess of Cambridge with Dame Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (the highest ranking honor for a female member of the royal family). Conveniently, the honor also coincided with Kate & William's eighth wedding anniversary.
 
Winnipeg said:
The whole thing is sordid. A man of world experience like Andrew should have easily recognized that the estate of Epstein and all the young girls was shady. I cannot see how he could not have seen that. He knew he was wrong but wanted to have the fun.
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"Shady" maybe not. But for someone who thought he was untouchable, like Andrew, it was fun, fun, fun.
 
I was mistaken about something and need to correct it.

www.theguardian.com

Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein: what you need to know

The relationship between the Queen’s second son and the late wealthy sex offender may have been closer than previously realised
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What about the second alleged incident?

Roberts Giuffre alleges she had sex with Andrew a second time at Epstein’s New York mansion, while she was Epstein’s “sex slave”. Andrew says this cannot be true because he was busy on official duties.
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And the third alleged incident on Epstein’s Island, Little St James?

In evidence to a Florida court in 2015, Roberts Giuffre wrote: “The third time I had sex with Andy was in an orgy on Epstein’s private island in the US Virgin Islands
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And there's more, according to the article.

So, yes, Prince Andrew could potentially be prosecuted in the U.S. or the U.S. Virgin Islands, depending on whether the statute of limitations has run on the particular offense.
 
Princess Beatrice changes her engagement party date and venue:

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Princess Beatrice Cancels Her Engagement Party In The Aftermath Of The Scandal Surrounding Her Father Prince Andrew — ET Canada

At a time when she should be celebrating her engagement to Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, Princess Beatrice has had to cancel her engagement party. The event was to be held on Dec. 18 at Chiltern Firehouse but Beatrice and Mozzi have cancelled in the wake of the scandal surrounding her father Prince...
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canbelto said:
@taf2002 it is not a "culture." It is a worldwide human rights problem and it occurs before our very eyes every day. Educate yourself on sex trafficking before you make such ignorant comments like "she was 17, why wasn't she a virgin at home with her mom"?
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She was trying to educate herself and you attacked her. I get that you are (rightfully so) passionate on the topic, but attacking someone who is trying to learn is counterproductive.

As for Prince Andrew, wasn’t his nickname “Randy Andy”? Maybe the shoe fit.
 
Peaches LaTour said:
According to one magazine in the States, Fergie is standing by her man, Andrew. ?
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$$$$$$

Seriously, she doesn't have any substantial income or career AFAIK other than whatever support she gets from him. She doesn't want to annoy the goose that lays the golden eggs.
 
So now what though? Really. Will anything ever happen to him? No. Will the press ever go away? No. SHe should just ignore the whole thing and if asked, refer all back to her dad.

Sarah Ferguson is standing by him.............oh dear, that will really help? :scream:
 
canbelto said:
Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein seem like exactly the kind of people 16 year olds want at birthday parties.
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I really don’t understand this. My dh is a successful business person and we do a lot of business socializing including having people to the house for dinner. That said, it would never, ever, ever occur to me to mix business with family and invite business associates (no matter how well we know them) to my children’s birthday parties. Nor would I invite other adult friends to my children’s parties other than perhaps the first birthday which is more of a party for the adults, but those would be friends, not business associates.

For Andrew to have included Epstein in his daughter’s birthday party it would seem to indicate that they were very close friends indeed and that Epstein also must have know the kids quite well.
 
Andrew is a snake & a coward. It is quite comfy for him to hide behind Mommy's crown, authority & position.

He will contribute nothing, voluntarily. I wish NY authorities would issue a subpoena or something that would prevent him from coming to the States unless he is willing to risk prosecution.
 
He should be treated in accordance with the law as any one else would. He should be setting an example and cooperate to the best he can. Not cooperating only makes him and his actions look worse.

Someone mentioned losing the royal title. Since Megan and Harry are losing their titles, wouldn't it follow the same for Randy Andy?
 
Winnipeg said:
Someone mentioned losing the royal title. Since Megan and Harry are losing their titles, wouldn't it follow the same for Randy Andy?
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It's not the same situation IMO. Meghan and Harry asked to not be senior royals anymore and are transitioning to making their own money. It's really the later that I think made it imperative for them to lose their titles. HRHes are not supposed to making money off the Royal Family. By not being HRH, that takes away that issue and opens up more avenues to them.

Andrew is more taking a hiatus. He's not performing royal duties right now but he hasn't asked to be removed from the senor royals. As an example, Prince Phillip stepped down from performing royal duties (as a type of retirement due to age) and there's no question that he's keeping his title. It's not the royal duties that are what give you your title. It's everything in a package of which performing the duties of a senior royal is a party.
 
I think it would be great for Andrew to be hung out to dry, but politically i'd use it as a tool - we'll give you Andrew if you give us Anne Sacoolas.
 
But, Andrew is 'the Queen's favorite son.' ;) Moreover, he's reportedly been a comfort to HM QE-II during the more aptly named 'Sussexit' crisis ('Megxit' was coined by devilish Meghan-hating trolls as wish-fulfillment; the term likely pre-dates M&H's royal wedding).


Looks like more desperate p.r. to save Andrew's hide. So no go for a swap more than likely. At least, not while the Queen lives... And her mother lived to the age of 102. The Queen will be 94 in April.
 
antmanb said:
I think it would be great for Andrew to be hung out to dry, but politically i'd use it as a tool - we'll give you Andrew if you give us Anne Sacoolas.
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These are 2 completely different things. Andrew should do the right thing on his own but you can't just ignore diplomatic immunity. Personally I would do away with it but it does protect diplomats from the host country drumming up false charges against them.
 
Anne Sacoolas wasn't a diplomat then and she definitely isn't one now that she's returned to the US.

It's not even clear if her husband was a diplomate.
 
Diplomatic immunity covers the family. However if he wasn't entitled to it his family wouldn't be either. Trump should extradite her in that case but he's already said he won't.
 
PRlady said:
who?
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A woman who drove on the wrong side of the road and killed a guy on a motorcycle. She claimed her husband was a diplomat but he actually was a government employee who worked at the United States Air Force listening station at RAF Croughton. Which means he wasn't a diplomat at all.

So not only did she kill a 19-year-old young man due to her dangerous driving but she's a liar.
 
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