Prince Andrew

MacMadame said:
A woman who drove on the wrong side of the road and killed a guy on a motorcycle. She claimed her husband was a diplomat but he actually was a government employee who worked at the United States Air Force listening station at RAF Croughton. Which means he wasn't a diplomat at all.

So not only did she kill a 19-year-old young man due to her dangerous driving but she's a liar.
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and don't forget she fled to the US to escape arrest. Horrible.
 
Lizziebeth said:
and don't forget she fled to the US to escape arrest. Horrible.
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And won't come back because she thinks the possible maximum sentence for her crime is "out of proportion" for what she did. Which begs the question, Why does she assume she'd get the maximum? And also why does she get to decide these things? That's not how any justice system works.
 
Well, now she would probably get the maximum for fleeing the jurisdiction. The US should allow extradiction since she & her husband weren't diplomats. The killing was clearly an accident unless she was under the influence. I would never drive in the UK because I know I couldn't do the left hand driving.
 
The Queen has reigned for so many years, done so much good, and been such a stable influence. Now, because her second son is an ass and she can’t seem to come to grips with that and insist he do the right thing (and even if he won’t, cut him completely out of public life) this will forever be a mark on her reputation. What is she thinking?
 
mag said:
The Queen has reigned for so many years, done so much good, and been such a stable influence. Now, because her second son is an ass and she can’t seem to come to grips with that and insist he do the right thing (and even if he won’t, cut him completely out of public life) this will forever be a mark on her reputation. What is she thinking?
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I wonder if part of this weird favoritism is that sometimes being a Queen can be quite boring. So much structure, always duty duty duty. And the Queen raised three children who are earnest and well-meaning -- Charles, Anne, and Edward are all like that. Randy Andy was/is the exception.
 
Winnipeg said:
Maybe she feels sorry for Andrew and is trying to over compensate?
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What could there be to feel sorry for? He has had the most privileged life. The spare gets all the privilege and next to no responsibility.
 
mag said:
What could there be to feel sorry for? He has had the most privileged life. The spare gets all the privilege and next to no responsibility.
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This is a pattern I've seen often in women: hyper-responsible, hyper-disciplined women often are attracted to shiftless layabouts.
 
canbelto said:
This is a pattern I've seen often in women: hyper-responsible, hyper-disciplined women often are attracted to shiftless layabouts.
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Ew. I certainly hope the Queen isn't ATTRACTED to her own son!

I would say this more of a mother being over-protective and not willing to admit her kid did anything wrong. We had that dynamic quite a bit growing up in my neighborhood. If an authority showed up at your door saying you did something wrong, they would do anything to protect you including lie through their teeth. (Of course, they'd then beat you in private once the authority left, but that's another issue altogether.)
 
canbelto said:
I wonder if part of this weird favoritism is that sometimes being a Queen can be quite boring. So much structure, always duty duty duty. And the Queen raised three children who are earnest and well-meaning -- Charles, Anne, and Edward are all like that. Randy Andy was/is the exception.
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After reading the book, "Rebel Prince", about Charles, I wouldn't say he has turned out so great. He reminded me too much of Trump in many ways, i.e., no sense of loyalty to anyone except himself, surrounding himself with "yes" men, etc.

But then, I always had a low opinion of Charles, anyway.
 
Peaches LaTour said:
... no sense of loyalty to anyone except himself, surrounding himself with "yes" men, etc.
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If that's the case, then apparently William has in that respect, turned out a lot like his Dad.

But this thread is about Randy Andy and his scandal, which is currently being kept on the down-low by British tabloids in favor of creating negative narratives regarding Meghan & Harry 'stepping back' from 'royal' life.
 
Jenny said:
And yet, in your uncharacteristically concise post, you managed to both take a jab at William and further your agenda regarding Harry and Meghan.
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Actually, I was struck by what Peaches LaTour mentioned having read about Prince Charles in Rebel Prince. :) That's because one of Prince Charles' trusted royal reporters/ biographers (Robert Jobson) wrote an article about Prince William in 2017, revealing that Wm "does not listen to either the Queen or Prince Charles." Jobson further elaborated that William is 'thin-skinned' behind-the-scenes, and that he "surrounds himself with 'yes-men.'" The similarity between this description of William and how Prince Charles is depicted in Rebel Prince, I find striking. Of course, you don't have to see what I recognize.

Frankly, I don't need to 'take jabs' at William. He's doing a very good job behind-the-scenes setting himself up for being taken jabs at by the media, even though it's not all-out scorched-earth 'jab-taking' by the media against William, such as we see the media and KP engaging in against the Sussexes. Why is that? Take a look at the circa-2008 documentary I previously linked in the current royalty thread which tells us quite a lot about royal family 'scandal' crises, and how palace p.r. trade-off with the media (leaking talking points about one or more members of the royal family, in order to protect major members, e.g., Harry took all the tabloid heat growing up in his teens and early 20s, while Wm was protected): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1oq8r8i_Ls

The way the above documentary opens, you'd think the narrator was talking about current happenings in the royal family. But no, the linked documentary was produced in the mid-2000s sometime after the marriage of Charles and Camilla. Go to about 17:05 in the documentary for some of the down-low on Harry's and Wm's 'wild-20s' partying days, and continue through to about 18:05 and the beginning of comments by journalist, Judy Wade, regarding how royal courtiers and palace p.r. traded-off on providing the media with other stories in order to protect William, "who has to be shielded, who has to be protected, who has to be whiter than white..." That particular 'protection' reality for the second-in-line heir to the British throne, has NOT changed, it's only gotten worse since the royal wedding of Meghan & Harry, with the subsequent, unrelenting trashing of Meghan.

Camilla previously served as a tabloid punching bag to distract from what's really going on behind palace walls. And then, Meghan marrying into the royal family deliciously provided the most enticing and juicy fodder for the Brit tabs to latch upon and milk, from here to eternity.

The fact that I consistently push-back on 'kool-aid think' with the reality of how the Sussexes, and especially Meghan, are being used and abused by palace sources who are in bed with the media, is what it is. Nothing we think or say here is going to change what is happening nor what is going to happen in this soap opera of all soap operas! The entire back-biting and infighting royal scenario is quite obvious, as well as confirmed, even pre-Meghan. Therefore, I suggest sucking it up and taking a bite out of the reality that actually exists, or else continue drinking the palace courtier, p.r., leak-driven, tabloid-created fantasy nonsense b.s. to your heart's content. This, while Randy Andy continues to slither under-the-radar.

My only agenda is ferreting out the truth and looking it squarely in-the-face, no matter whom the truth implicates.
 
Honestly I don’t really trust all the media coverage. Your link doesn’t work.
 
canbelto said:
@aftershocks I think everyone is shades of gray. You continuously present Will as the villain and Harry/Meghan as the hero. Life doesn't work like that.
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I don't think anyone in the royal family is either hero or villain, though the U.K. media and palace sources are trying to characterize the Sussexes as villains. IMO, the blood royals are all simply human beings born into something larger-than-life that can swallow each of them whole or that they can succumb to, rise above, or allow to keep them feeling entitled and superior to 'lesser' humans. William is a victim of his circumstances, but a number of choices he is making behind-the-scenes are suspect and harmful in the long term.

Those who marry into royalty also can either sink or swim. From what we have witnessed, life behind palace walls is not a fairy tale. It can be a sterile, isolating nightmare. And even if you are in a fairly happy royal marriage, there are huge compromises involved that can impact who you become and how you live your life, which in most cases, is no longer your own. IMO, the Sussexes are lucky to have been able to escape as much as they have so far, some of the suffocating terrors and limitations of life inside the gilded cage. There is a huge price to pay for the perks of being royal.

Judy said:
Honestly I don’t really trust all the media coverage.
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Neither do I 'really trust all the media coverage.' I especially do not trust or believe the majority of tabloid media coverage, which should either be heavily filtered or taken with huge grains of salt. Better yet, the tabloid newspapers should be largely ignored and used as bird cage liner, or shredded.

Personally, I widely read and research a variety of more reliable sources, and I bring a perspective from four decades of following the British royal family and reading about British history and culture, and the history of the British monarchy.

Judy said:
... Your link doesn’t work.
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If you are speaking of the Timeline documentary I previously linked, the link works for me. Here it is again:
www.youtube.com

After Elizabeth II: Monarchy In Peril? (British Royal Family Documentary) | Timeline

A new sovereign can revive a royal family or be its kiss of death. So will the controversial successor to Queen Elizabeth II spell the end of Britain’s thous...
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Or, you can go to Youtube and look it up under this title:
"After Elizabeth II: Monarchy in Peril (British Royal Family Documentary) Timeline"

I'm not using this documentary for my information in isolation. I filter what is being said, based on my past reading and perspectives gleaned from interviews, other documentaries, and historical sources. I've also read biographies of the current royals and more mainstream coverage that confirms the main gist of what this documentary reveals.

FYI @canbelto, neither Harry nor William are presented as angels or heroes in this documentary. And neither of them are villains either. They are victims of their life circumstances. But frankly all of us have challenges to deal with in life. It's not what we are born into or what life hands us that matters. In the long run, it's the choices we make and how we deal with what happens to us that counts.
 
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I think Queen Elizabeth is an excellent Monarch and will be remembered quite favorably in history.

However, if/when Charles takes the throne, I think the monarchy will lose respect. Just IMHO.
 
So Andrew didn't go to the Commonwealth Service. Guess they're locking him in the basement for awhile.
 
Please add Canada to the banned list for his entry. Unless of course he decides to cooperate and apologizes and recognizes what he did was wrong? I still don't seem to see that show of regret yet but maybe I missed it.
 
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