victorskid
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Despite Ukraine's "boycott" of the opening ceremonies, the parade of nations apparently included the Ukraine name and flag (carried by volunteers)
No one is going to be banned according to IOC's newest statement
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SakuraHere
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Exactly. Japan barred methylphenidate with WADA TUE at the country boarder, basically ruined Tokyo Olympics for a star gymnast, and no consequences from WADA followed. None whatsoever. But from Russians they demand changing of national law. Not the less, knowing that they can't do it and it won't happen. They are looking for any excuse to keep status quo.
WADA is a guest in a sovereign country. It can enjoy as much jurisdiction as the state gives. Demanding changing of a national law is a direct violation of the key UN resolution on sovereignty of the state. When IOC/WADA/CAS wants to ban someone, they use UN resolutions. But when a UN resolution is not in their favor, they pretend it doesn't exist.
You both failed. You couldn't say anything meaningful to OP about the current political ban, so you dragged a doping ban that expired 4 years ago. But as the result you only showed once again what a hypocrite IOC/WADA/CAS are.
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The Goebbels rule about repeated lie becoming the truth is not working in the Internet era. It's stupid to lie when it can be easily googled. Not 14 countries + 27 of EU but 6 EU countries + Ukraine announced about political reasons not to attend the opening ceremony. But it's their problem. Not all Russian athletes in Paralympics 2026 are war veterans but none. It's quite possible that in the future war veterans will participate in Paralympics. The whole Paralympic movement started for World War II veterans to help them to integrate in the society. Both Paralympics and Special Olympics are humanitarian, regardless of the reason of disability: war, traffic accident or childbirth trauma. Ukraine should follow the Russian example of how to take care of war veterans, to the level that they can compete at Paralympics. But it's an illogical advise. Because Russian veterans were contracted, paid and chose the risk voluntarily. They were not kidnapped by the state and forced to fight.
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Ice_dance_fan
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Only hypocrite is IPC
Russia was banned for attacking Ukraine but the USA (and Israel) will get a free pass after attacking Iran.
The IOC is a disgrace. It should be banned.
We need an organization that is truly neutral and apolitical.
I didn’t watch the most recent Olympics and May not watch the next unless the IOC is cleaned up completely.
The IOC is a disgrace. It should be banned.
We need an organization that is truly neutral and apolitical.
I didn’t watch the most recent Olympics and May not watch the next unless the IOC is cleaned up completely.
Karen-W
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No, I explained quite clearly early on in this thread why the current ban exists, why there will be no ban for the US or Israel, and why, even if the IOC were to lift the current ban, there is valid reason to expect WADA to attempt to ban Russia for non-compliance with the WADA code.
Anyhoo...
Ice_dance_fan
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Russia was free pass after attacking Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine 2014. IPC is a disgrace. It should be banned.
skateboy
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Ban the US. Fair is fair.
VGThuy
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I just saw a clip of Pete Hegseth speaking with absolute glee about the prospect about killing Iranians. Ban the U.S.!
Ice_dance_fan
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I'm sorry, I never comment but really couldn't help it. I will never ever read anything just as funny here here again. I have never thought anyone could be so delusional.... or maybr a troll?
SakuraHere
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You lost me here. Why is it bad or funny that the state takes care of its war veterans. Providing medical, financial, humanitarian support to them that they can come back to the society. Even compete in sport and possibly in future Paralympics. I see nothing bad or funny in it. Absolutely.
If Russia gets banned for attacking other countries why is USA not banned for doing the same? Don’t forget USA had also attacked Iraq. Now Iran. Rules and laws need to be consistent.
Ice_dance_fan
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russia needed break Olympic peace 3 times to get banned. Rules and laws need to be consistent.
Karen-W
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Go talk to the European governments about a ban. It's not happening unless & until they feel the same level of existential threat over the US & Israel bombing Iran as they did when Russia put boots on the ground & invaded 1/3 of Ukraine.
I don't know why it is that some of you don't seem to understand the difference (and that's without even going into the political question of why you're perfectly fine with appearing to support a repressive, autocratic theocracy like the Islamic Republic of Iran just for the sake of condemning a US President you detest).
It took three times for Russia to be banned. At best, this may be like the situation in 2008 when Russia attacked Georgia and the world barely blinked (to the point that no one even called for Russia to be banned - and it only became a useful talking point in 2022). It is going to take a LOT more international condemnation, little of which seems to be on the horizon, for the IOC to be moved into banning the US & Israel.
I don't know why it is that some of you don't seem to understand the difference (and that's without even going into the political question of why you're perfectly fine with appearing to support a repressive, autocratic theocracy like the Islamic Republic of Iran just for the sake of condemning a US President you detest).
It took three times for Russia to be banned. At best, this may be like the situation in 2008 when Russia attacked Georgia and the world barely blinked (to the point that no one even called for Russia to be banned - and it only became a useful talking point in 2022). It is going to take a LOT more international condemnation, little of which seems to be on the horizon, for the IOC to be moved into banning the US & Israel.
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Ban China for protracted human rights abuses and a track record of cheating including age falsification.
Then ban woke and antisemitism. Ireland and Spain should be suspended from all international events for their state-sponsored antisemitism. If we want to talk about 1936 Olympics, I’d point to those countries as leading the charge back to those dark days.
Then ban woke and antisemitism. Ireland and Spain should be suspended from all international events for their state-sponsored antisemitism. If we want to talk about 1936 Olympics, I’d point to those countries as leading the charge back to those dark days.
cholla
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What's the heck are you talking about? In 2022, Russia was banned because of doping. Since when UN does issue resolutions about doping? Which one of its 15 members care about doping in sports and can put a resolution to vote in front of the 14 others? That's none of their business at all. Please find me which 2021 UN resolution mentions doping, preferably with its number. 2021 UN resolutions go from nr 2561 to 2617. They are all about peace and political unrest. There is nothing even remotely relevant to sports and/or doping, which, again, is not surprising. Moreover, Russia went into Crimea one day before the end of Sochi Olys and Sotchi is in Russia, hence making it impossible to ban the nation at its own O.G, despite they violated the Olympic truce. 4 years later, their Olympic committee was suspended for doping but their athletes were allowed to go under the condition they had never tested positive and would undergo specific tests.
In 2008 Russia could not be banned by the IOC as the fights in Georgia started in August, i.e., not during the Olympic truce.
Anyway when IOC bans a country, it's only a recommendation, not a legal obligation as they have no legal power. Some national federations do not follow these recommendations. It happened after 2022, some sports federations did not ban Russians and the IOC could not oppose the non-ban, especially when no Olympics were yet involved.
The only valid parallel with the US to me is the invasion of Afghanistan by Russia in 1979 and the some 50 nations that boycotted Moscow summer OG 6 months later. Russia was still USSR and invaded Afghanistan ("for its own good", just like the US do in Iran right now) in December, out of Olympic truce.
I agree that the US should be banned from next Olympics/forbidden to organise them but for the breach of Oly truce, not in the name of something that does not exist. The IOC can ban countries for only 2 reasons: doping and the breach of Oly truce that ensures safety of travel to all athletes in the world. IOC is indeed a political organisation but Olys have been political since their very beginning. Ask the Greeks and the Romans: Bread and Games for the people. Or how to divert the population as a whole from social troubles and politics.
I don't know if you are a troll or only very badly documented but what you said here has no ground nor sense.
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Ok, if you want to make the case for brave Russians and forced Ukrainians, do it in PI. No more of this here, please.
I think this is basically the only contribution you’ve repeatedly given to the thread besides IPC, also repeatedly. Anything else?
Karen-W
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Oh, @cholla, this whole section is just factually wrong.
The ban in 2022 was NOT because of doping. It was due to the invasion of Ukraine. The IOC knew it could not impose a ban due to doping because it would be promptly overturned by CAS since Russia had already served it's partial ban for the Sochi scandal.
Furthermore, in 2014, Russia was NOT banned due to doping or violating the Olympic truce period. The Sochi scandal did not even make the light of day until a couple years later. Invading Crimea was ignored even though it happened during the Olympic truce period - and that was certainly due to Russia being the Olympic/Paralympic host nation.
The Olympic Truce period typically extends from one week prior to the start of the Olympic Games to one week after the end of the Paralympic Games. In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia in the first week of August and the Beijing Olympics started on August 8, 2008 - so, yes, Russia did violate the Olympic truce period.
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No. At 2022 Olympics they were competing without the flag and without the anthem because of the doping.
The invasion of Ukraine began on 24/2/2022. That was AFTER the Olympics (before the paralympics)
Because the Crimea invasion was AFTER the Olympics in March 2014
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The truce period includes the entire period of both and the period between them.
TAHbKA
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Yes, that's why they were banned from the paralympics. In order to ban Russia for Ukraine invasion in 2022 the IOC would need a time machine or at least a cristal ball.
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