News and updates à la Française, part quatre

I just think that some personal needs and issues are not always compatible with high stake competitive sports in the long run. How do you get the time to mature, deal with life and figure things out when it is indefinitely placed on the back burner. I believe that Gabriella and Guillaume got caught in a vortex once they joined IAM and skated full time. It might have been exciting and fulfilling at first but we are not one-dimensional beings.
 
This made me think of Karine Arribert's approach, and how her skaters may not reach the pinnacle of the sport but seem to be in a vastly healthier environment than most competitors.
Recently a guy she had as a student from childhood to early teens (back to Zoé and Pierre-Loup time) wrote a book where he considers her as his 2nd mum and the ever benevolent cornerstone of his life (even when he disappointed her, even after he left her center and trained elsewhere, even in his adult dreams where she hands him a triumphant sign that says "I don't wish to die anymore" after he is finally diagnosed with light bipolarity).
It' a guy whose story starts with his passion for ice dance, his ups and downs in competitions, in training, in mood, his student and young adult life (discovering he was gay - here at the Gay Games) with its ups (he had a prestigious higher education) and downs (depression) to finally discover that he is bipolar. He made stand-up comedy out of it and wrote that book about his fight for mental health.
She invited him to present his show in Villard and to talk to her current students.
On her Instagram, she wrote that the book really got her thinking.

Arribert has a completly different approach to ice dance than other top coaches. From the moment she doesn't accompany her best couples later in the season, you can see her accompanying her solo dancers in competition and encouraging them all the same, be they gold medallists or 20th in a Tournoi de France's novice rankings. She's not obsessed with elite level. She's also a keeper (Eva, Marie, Lou, Louise are Villard's babies) and she just pushes her dancers to the best of their abilities.

She also refuses that families go into debt for their children's training. She voluntarily is the cheapest option to elite ice-dance training. Everything is counted. The most visible things are the recycled costumes and the very limited coaching team.

OTOH, she's a builder. With little means, she has build up her center brick by brick around Loïcia and Théo's evolution. She's still learning international competition (she started to make her dancers travel outside of Europe only 4 years ago; Sheffield is her 6th Euros and she has only been to Worlds 4 times). And the ones that will benefit the most are the ones that come after.

And as a builder, she has done more than just build a center. She is training young coaches too. And she collaborates with her ex-students like Pierre-Loup Bouquet or Stanislas Etzol or ex Martial Jaffredo who have centers of their own and are prominent in the younger categories of french ice dance. That long collaborative story is starting to pay off in couple building. She is certainly the french coach with the most "offsprings" AFA coaching goes. And I watch Violetta Zakhlyupana's passage in Villard, Mahil Chantelauze's, Tiffany Zahorsky's but also Théo Le Mercier's (his father coached young Olivier Schoenfelder, Théo and Loïcia but also Dania Mouaden), Martin Chardin's (who was Barbara Piton's last "prototype" before Théo Bigot ; his ex-partner under Barbara Piton joined Martial Jaffredo as coach), Emese Csiszer's and several others as a young generation looking for something different that they might in time try to reproduce elsewhere.

As a coach, she has always been careful to protect her skaters, especially the girls. She unsuccessfully tried with Zoé who ended up hating her own sport, because being "different" (in style, clothes, choices) at the time meant being an outcast (I loved how Louise Walden tiptoed around the subject in an AnythingGOE's video). Zoé refused to make compromises in order to have a chance at better rankings. For her, it was Karine or nothing. Arribert had to ask Zoé and Pierre-Loup to leave her to train in Lyon or abroad and they refused (At the time, Arribert was forbidden to make choreo for singles, asked to not appear at the barrier for programs she had choreographed in favor for Muriel Zazoui ; some french judges labeled her "crazy"; when Zoé and Pierre-Loup called it quit in January 2011, nobody thought she would make a comeback). With Loïcia who is not a Villard baby but a Villard early teen, Arribert has been extremely careful that she didn't got burnt in the same way. She had her work on every detail the judges raised. BUT she still put a stop when they told Loïcia to lose weight in order to ease more acrobatic lifts.

It's her dancers that have always outlined how important she was for them and how much they loved working with her.
During covid lockdown, current and old dancers from Villard gave news through videos in Villard's youtube channel or facebook, and that was the first thing they were saying.
 
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I’m willing to take the word of people I respect and who are inside the sport until proven otherwise. I don’t remember them praising IAM for the same thing. (My choice.) It’s also possible that IAM was much more supportive in the beginning, until the trade-off points of success and becoming a corporation came about. It becomes a lot easier to rationalize decisions and dismissing “trouble” — which women who don’t conform or suck it all up are often labeled — by framing it as acting for the “greater good.”

I hardly think Arribert’s perfect, based on her view that ID is “man and a woman,” even if her programs often don’t adhere to that convention.
 
Link to the news & discussion thread for Papadakis' book in GSD: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/repercussions-of-papadakis-book-cizerons-response.113571/

Interview with Cédric Tour: “I started playing guitar at eight years old” by @cholla in Briançon, December 20, 2025:
 
As Mark Hanretty has been waxing poetic on Dania Mouaden, Théo Bigot and their coach Barbara Piton, here are some hard facts about them.

Barbara-Piton-the-coach appeared on the international scene around 2013 with a lovely young pre-novice couple, Lila-Maya Seclet-Monchot /Adrien Masseron. For their age, they were GOOD. She had a lot of ambitions for them, like olympic ambitions with a metal and a year in mind. Then a couple of years later, they disappeared from competition before he was 13. They came back 2 years later, with a different coach, as Piton had them split and wouldn't take them back together. Their results fizzled out, his family didn't have the wealth to support his skating costs without additional fundings. End of the story.

Around 2015, she followed up with Mathilde Grandin and mini-Gwend... Martin Chardain. Piton, once again, had a lot of ambitions for them, same kind than with Seclet-Monchot/Masseron. She kept them until he was 14-15. Their latest international results were not completly satisfying. They left for Paris and Fabian Bouzat before covid, immediatly split and lost their mojo.

Around 2017, it was Enola Perrin and Alexis Calderon (I luurved Alexis). They were winning everything. I thought he was a little short. They disappeared from the radars when he was aroud 13. Actually Enola was Piton's (young) assistant coach for a couple of years.

And around 2018, she had Théo Bigot in international competition, with Maddie Moreira (they had skated together for at least 3 seasons). She had them split and she paired him in 209-2020 with a girl that was doing figure skating and solo ice dance in Belfort (she had a lion plushy in her early K&C). That was Dania Mouaden. Piton then said she was aiming at 2024 Jr Worlds for them and 2030 OGs.

She had a few other young dancers but she cut off everyone else around the covid period, only keeping Louise Cohas-Bogey.

Since then, she has not recruited other boys (just a partner for Louise). But she has been working on girls. Lison who is 12. Julia and Darina who are 11. Anaé who is 9. Emma Jade who is 8. That's ridiculously few competitors compared to the other major french training centers. But they all are or soon could be champions of their age category.

What are the special characteristics of Chalons' training center ?
Piton coaches alone, with her brother helping during the week-ends (he's busy at the Interior Ministry during the week). Dad has been the president of the skating club since 1982. Her mum and her brother are part of the board. Other members of the board and volunteers of the club are the parents of her skaters.
The superb (irony) website of the club is testament to the fact that there are no unnecessary spendings. Which is why I've nicknamed her the "Guy Roux of ice dance" (Guy Roux is a legendary french football coach, who built a state-of-the-art youth training center in a small city and launched many french football stars ; he is famously penny-wise and has always promoted a modest way of life ; he's often used as a meme for the zero waste concept).
Piton has choreoed ballet on ice for the last 10 years. Like Arribert (who actually studied choreography at the Centre Chorégraphique National de Grenoble and knows her stuff), she's sooo using that in ice dance. It took her a few years to move away from "the greatest ice-dance programs of the past". Nowadays, you wouldn't guess.
She works with several external people but especially with the CNAC, the Centre National des Arts du Cirque, located in Chalons en Champagne. Actually, she recruited Lila-Maya and Martin through the CNAC. Lila-Maya's parents are circus artists/teachers and Martin's parents probably too (they had baby pictures together on their Instagram). And Lila-Maya's sister, Louana, is the face of the show Echo, by the Cirque du Soleil.
 
Is she the coach who has spoken extensively about never weighing her girls or mentioning their weight?
 
As Mark Hanretty has been waxing poetic on Dania Mouaden, Théo Bigot and their coach Barbara Piton, here are some hard facts about them.

Barbara-Piton-the-coach appeared on the international scene around 2013 with a lovely young pre-novice couple, Lila-Maya Seclet-Monchot /Adrien Masseron. For their age, they were GOOD. She had a lot of ambitions for them, like olympic ambitions with a metal and a year in mind. Then a couple of years later, they disappeared from competition before he was 13. They came back 2 years later, with a different coach, as Piton had them split and wouldn't take them back together. Their results fizzled out, his family didn't have the wealth to support his skating costs without additional fundings. End of the story.

Around 2015, she followed up with Mathilde Grandin and mini-Gwend... Martin Chardain. Piton, once again, had a lot of ambitions for them, same kind than with Seclet-Monchot/Masseron. She kept them until he was 14-15. Their latest international results were not completly satisfying. They left for Paris and Fabian Bouzat before covid, immediatly split and lost their mojo.

Around 2017, it was Enola Perrin and Alexis Calderon (I luurved Alexis). They were winning everything. I thought he was a little short. They disappeared from the radars when he was aroud 13. Actually Enola was Piton's (young) assistant coach for a couple of years.

And around 2018, she had Théo Bigot in international competition, with Maddie Moreira (they had skated together for at least 3 seasons). She had them split and she paired him in 209-2020 with a girl that was doing figure skating and solo ice dance in Belfort (she had a lion plushy in her early K&C). That was Dania Mouaden. Piton then said she was aiming at 2024 Jr Worlds for them and 2030 OGs.

She had a few other young dancers but she cut off everyone else around the covid period, only keeping Louise Cohas-Bogey.

Since then, she has not recruited other boys (just a partner for Louise). But she has been working on girls. Lison who is 12. Julia and Darina who are 11. Anaé who is 9. Emma Jade who is 8. That's ridiculously few competitors compared to the other major french training centers. But they all are or soon could be champions of their age category.

What are the special characteristics of Chalons' training center ?
Piton coaches alone, with her brother helping during the week-ends (he's busy at the Interior Ministry during the week). Dad has been the president of the skating club since 1982. Her mum and her brother are part of the board. Other members of the board and volunteers of the club are the parents of her skaters.
The superb (irony) website of the club is testament to the fact that there are no unnecessary spendings. Which is why I've nicknamed her the "Guy Roux of ice dance" (Guy Roux is a legendary french football coach, who built a state-of-the-art youth training center in a small city and launched many french football stars ; he is famously penny-wise and has always promoted a modest way of life ; he's often used as a meme for the zero waste concept).
Piton has choreoed ballet on ice for the last 10 years. Like Arribert (who actually studied choreography at the Centre Chorégraphique National de Grenoble and knows her stuff), she's sooo using that in ice dance. It took her a few years to move away from "the greatest ice-dance programs of the past". Nowadays, you wouldn't guess.
She works with several external people but especially with the CNAC, the Centre National des Arts du Cirque, located in Chalons en Champagne. Actually, she recruited Lila-Maya and Martin through the CNAC. Lila-Maya's parents are circus artists/teachers and Martin's parents probably too (they had baby pictures together on their Instagram). And Lila-Maya's sister, Louana, is the face of the show Echo, by the Cirque du Soleil.
Is the subtext as negative as it sounds to me?
 
Is the subtext as negative as it sounds to me?
There is not an ounce of negativity in the subtext.

If you look at this in chronological order and through the skaters' eyes, you have :
  • a couple of talented young dancers, Seclet-Monchot/Masseron, coached by a quite new coach (Piton), disagrees with her, moves to the next nearby coach and doesn't get the same results.
  • a talented young couple (Grandin/Chardain), coached by a local coach (as Arribert, Piton's skaters are mostly born in a radius of 30km around her center) that has begun to show national results for couples 8-12 yo, is invited (by the fed ?, by Bourzat ?) to leave their little center to go to Paris to a coach who is a European champion and Worlds' bronze medallist, at a time Gailhaguet gives little choice about the go-to centers from junior level on and he famously doesn't like the Piton family. They probably thought about their move as a huge honor and promotion. But in Paris, they imploded and Chardain had 2 partnerships that made non sense (to me), until he got back on his feet in Villard.
  • talented young 12 yo ice-dancers (Alexiiis !) stop competing (how many do, at that age with so many options in front of them), one of them goes on and helps Piton coaching for a few years.
  • post-covid, several novice dancers either leave to find a partner or stop competing.
Nothing extraordinary, I'd think.

I think of high level coachs as engineers, as analysts and problems' solvers. What differentiate one high level coach from another are the conditions they have to deal with, how they overcome the negative ones and if they can find options where they can make choices that will upset the apple cart. It takes a high dose of drive and focus to do that (I think of Linichuk, I think of Zazoui, I think of Shpilband, I think of Dubreuil/Lauzon/Haguenauer). High level coachs make choices, they shape their projects, what they push, what they let go, where they restrain, where they make compromise. You're either on board with their projects and follow their advices, or you're not and you simply go elsewhere.
Piton has little money, limited ice time, little help, little support from her fed. With that, she can't handle much. But enough if she can concentrate her means. She's an ant who has discreetly built a mountain. I've watched her for the last 13 years, trying to make sense of the super good coach who was never crossing the line of the spotlights. And now that she does, I'm still fascinated.
 
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Is she the coach who has spoken extensively about never weighing her girls or mentioning their weight?

I think that was Karine Arribert

I don't think Karine has ever talked about weighing her girls or not. (I think the concept is quite estranged to her).

She said that judges told Loïcia to lose weight so Théo could triple twist her around his neck in lifts. And Karine said NO and that she'd rather work on the type of lifts (and cut her arm) than let that happen.
 
There is not an ounce of negativity in the subtext.

If you look at this in chronological order and through the skaters' eyes, you have :
  • a couple of talented young dancers, Seclet-Monchot/Masseron, coached by a quite new coach (Piton), disagrees with her, moves to the next nearby coach and doesn't get the same results.
  • a talented young couple (Grandin/Chardain), coached by a local coach (as Arribert, Piton's skaters are mostly born in a radius of 30km around her center) that has begun to show national results for couples 8-12 yo, is invited (by the fed ?, by Bourzat ?) to leave their little center to go to Paris to a coach who is a European champion and Worlds' bronze medallist, at a time Gailhaguet gives little choice about the go-to centers from junior level on and he famously doesn't like the Piton family. They probably thought about their move as a huge honor and promotion. But in Paris, they imploded and Chardain had 2 partnerships that made non sense (to me), until he got back on his feet in Villard.
  • talented young 12 yo ice-dancers (Alexiiis !) stop competing (how many do, at that age with so many options in front of them), one of them goes on and helps Piton coaching for a few years.
  • post-covid, several novice dancers either leave to find a partner or stop competing.
Nothing extraordinary, I'd think.

I think of high level coachs as engineers, as analysts and problems' solvers. What differentiate one high level coach from another are the conditions they have to deal with, how they overcome the negative ones and if they can find options where they can make choices that will upset the apple cart. It takes a high dose of drive and focus to do that (I think of Linichuk, I think of Zazoui, I think of Shpilband, I think of Dubreuil/Lauzon/Haguenauer). High level coachs make choices, they shape their projects, what they push, what they let go, where they restrain, where they make compromise. You're either on board with their projects and follow their advices, or you're not and you simply go elsewhere.
Piton has little money, limited ice time, little help, little support from her fed. With that, she can't handle much. But enough if she can concentrate her means. She's an ant who has discreetly built a mountain. I've watched her for the last 13 years, trying to make sense of the super good coach who was never crossing the line of the spotlights. And now that she does, I'm still fascinated.
Thank you for taking the time to explain @Nmsis : It's incredible to see the dedication and resilience of some schools. I was always struck by the connection Barbara seems to have with her skaters. Karine Arribert as well.
 

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