I ordered the Porridge Men CD after seeing the Kerrs OD. But I still believe that artists deserve to be compensated for the use of their work.I think when the Kerrs skated to the Porridge Men it really raised their profile. I think they were quite happy to get the additional exposure. My friend brought a copy of their CD after I showed her their program.
They probably also know they're going to get paid their royaltiesKMT reposted on her stories a message from the singer/songwriter of their short program music being thrilled his song was used in the Olympics.
They actually increased their sales after the Kerrs performed to that music. That is pretty good promotion and compensation. In fact when I did a search on the band, part of the blurb was "as used by the Kerrs at the Olympics".I ordered the Porridge Men CD after seeing the Kerrs OD. But I still believe that artists deserve to be compensated for the use of their work.
How do you know that? The only person claiming that is the band. We have no idea who they even contacted (they said the agent, who it's possible sent it on to legal somewhere and thought they took care of it). There's way too much unknown about this to say that they disrespect musicians.Maybe it’s the lawyer in me, but it only makes sense to sue someone who can pay. Also, they did contact K/F first and K/F could have avoided all of that by responding but their attorney or whatever blew them off because musicians aren’t worthy of respect or something.
Patrick Watson also seems excited to have had his music used. https://twitter.com/patrickwatson/status/1496138448872382475?s=21KMT reposted on her stories a message from the singer/songwriter of their short program music being thrilled his song was used in the Olympics.
I don't think that's necessarily true. We have no clue of the timeline, how much time the band gave them to responds. It was at the most two weeks. It could have been far less. We also don't know what the band asked.Maybe it’s the lawyer in me, but it only makes sense to sue someone who can pay. Also, they did contact K/F first and K/F could have avoided all of that by responding but their attorney or whatever blew them off because musicians aren’t worthy of respect or something.
I mean we don't know anything because K/F's rep is still not saying anything?I don't think that's necessarily true. We have no clue of the timeline, how much time the band gave them to responds. It was at the most two weeks. It could have been far less. We also don't know what the band asked.
The point: we don't have nearly enough information to determine whether K/F's response showed a lack of respect for musicians.
Yup, and Itzy shared a screenshot of Alysa Liu on their IG story after her Gala exhibition to their song. Lots of artists very much appreciate and enjoy seeing skaters use their music.Chris Mann is another artist who has posted multiple times about his excitement in figure skaters performing to his music:
Nate Bartholomay & Katie McBeath: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYjkFEsF_a7/?utm_medium=copy_link
Roman Sadovsky (one of my fave SPs): https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2471679966287857&id=23169911720
Yes!So I guess all these people posting instances of artists who are happy someone skated to their music think that proves something. It does not. Neither does posting instances of artists who aren't happy.
Artists have the right to control how their work is used. It doesn't matter what other artists do or what we think they should do. It's their call.
Federations sign a declaration to the ISU that their athletes are licensed to use their music in competition.Aren’t music copyrights and usage handled through ISU at the start of each season for all competing skaters? K/F’s use didn’t fall into that?
No, I don’t think it proves something. I agree completely that artists have the right to control how their work and IP is used. I was just sharing another example of an artist who did happen to appreciate their work being used, and an artist whom I enjoy.So I guess all these people posting instances of artists who are happy someone skated to their music think that proves something. It does not. Neither does posting instances of artists who aren't happy.
Artists have the right to control how their work is used. It doesn't matter what other artists do or what we think they should do. It's their call.
I think that those standards should apply across all of skating then. If this band is going to declare that K/F should not/never use their music then they should have gone after everyone else.Artists have the right to control how their work is used. It doesn't matter what other artists do or what we think they should do. It's their call.
I've heard that in gymnastics, USAG pays the disney license where other feds do not, causing other gymnasts to be jealous of being allowed to use disney music...Too bad Disney can't sue every little juvenile skater who skates to the soundtrack from Frozen.
I swear if I hear 'Let It Go' one more time...
This isn't about some nebulous standard or ideal this is about someone who owns the copyright in their work saying someone hasn't sought permission to use their work either through the right royalties agencies or directly. Why should an artist have to pursue every single person who might be using their work without permission when it makes sense to sue the person with deepest pockets. The article first linked says the band sued NBC (deep pockets) and the skaters (presumably to ask them to cease and desist their use of it).I think that those standards should apply across all of skating then. If this band is going to declare that K/F should not/never use their music then they should have gone after everyone else.
Admittedly i don't know how this works in the US, but under English law and the handful of European jurisdictions i'm aware of copyright isn't a registered intellectual property right (like for example, trade marks or patents), copyright subsists in a work the moment it is created. In this case when it is created is irrelevant there's no question it is their song and their performance of it, the only thing that matters is whether there was permission to use it, either directly by the copyright owners or through payment of royalties to an agency that looks after this song.Did they file for copyright on their cover of the song? I only skimmed this article but gives an overview of what Indie artists need to do.
You always go after the lowest hanging fruit. I'm assuming the band are based in the US so suing someone in your home country is going to be easier and cheaper. Didn't the article say the band is represented by one of their fathers? Suing for IP infringement in a foreign country necessitating local expert lawyers and possibly translators wracks up the fees really quickly, if you're going to do it - start at home and see how it goes, until the satute of limitations is up elsewhere in the world they can file a claim against anyone else later on. Maybe they have and it just isn't newsworthy in Europe?For me it's not about the musicians having the right to get paid for their work, it's about who they choose to go after to get paid for their work.
Yes they need to get paid. I dont think I've ever said don't pay them (maybe I did or someone interpreted it that way).
To me it is about who they targeted NBC and the assumption (on my part) is that NBC would pay. That the European stakeholders would not.
It is absolutely not required to register your copyright in the US. You have it regardless of whether or not you register it. This is even said in one of the articles you posted:Did they file for copyright on their cover of the song? I only skimmed this article but gives an overview of what Indie artists need to do.
In the strictest technical terms, you own your musical copyright the moment you capture the composition or recording in a fixed medium. This could be something as simple as writing the melody or lyrics on a piece of paper or humming into a recorder.
However, registering your copyrights with the U.S. Copyright Office entitles you to enhanced benefits. Most important of all, in a groundbreaking ruling, the Supreme Court has mandated that registration with the USCO is required before you can file a lawsuit and registering early can earn you $150,000 plus attorney fees per deliberate infringement – but only if you register early on.
Why would you suspect that? One of the articles you posted shows how to get paid for your music without giving up your rights to it. In the days of vinyl records, most artists tried to get a recording contract and those contracts would give the rights to your music up to that company. But these days, artists aren't as dependent on record companies and also they have learned from the experiences of other artists who've had to buy back their own catalog or, in the case of Taylor Swift, re-recorded all her songs in order to get control of her music back.Somewhere along the way, these guys probably are licensed or marketed through someone (recording studio or label). I suspect much of their rights are actually owned by a company somewhere.