Missing ladies at the Olympics since 1984

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Has Jill Trenary ever given an interview since 1992? I know she gave a brief one in Albertville during the Olympics, but outside of that I don't think she ever has. I have to say I've always been quite surprised at what a low profile she's kept since the end of her amateur career.

Actually, you're quite right...Never thought about it.....

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I have wonderful memories of when she toured with Torvill & Dean's Face The Music Tour that played Melbourne in 1994. Jill was a class act and in great shape.

O - M - GaGaaaaaaa.

I REALLY got into Dance during the 94 Olys when T&D returned... Their "Face The Music And Dance" to me is what "DANCE" is all about...

Dont get me wrong I still like ice dance but the last 15 years ice dance seems more to me about acrobats on ice.... and Dance for only about 15 seconds, 20 tops. (usually just the step sequence)

Im a purist.

I love the spiral and layback in ladies... and I do quite love the "dance" in "ice dance."

sigh....

 

[bardtoob]

It's funny you should mention that. There is an interview with Jill after she won the world title. (I think it may have been in the lead up to Albertville, though I am not sure.) She details how she is happy with her level of recognition, and say, if she won an Olympic title, would find the degree of fame Dorothy Hamill or Peggy Fleming experienced, more difficult to handle.

Trenary also said in her interviews in 1992 and 1994 that Midori, Yamaguchi, Harding, and Kerrigan skated like men, pushing for a five triple limit, and Team Oksana used this by saying her idol was Jill Trenary and the ladies champion should skate like a lady ... I'm certain that made her popular on the pro circuit.

 

[Seerek]

TNT (the U.S secondary broadcaster) had Jill Trenary on for quite a few segments back in 1992 during the Albertville Olympics to provide insights alongside hosts Nick Charles and Fred Hickman.

Jill Trenary Profile/Interview- 1992 Albertville, Figure Skating (Secondary Broadcast Feed)

Albertville, FRANCE - 1992 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Figure Skating (Secondary Broadcast Feed) - Profile on and interview with Jill Trenary of the United...

youtu.be

 

[VGThuy]

Trenary also said in her interviews in 1992 and 1994 that Midori, Yamaguchi, Harding, and Kerrigan skated like men, pushing for a five triple limit, and Team Oksana used this by saying her idol was Jill Trenary and the ladies champion should skate like a lady ... I'm certain that made her popular on the pro circuit.

Did she really mean they skated like "men" stylistically or did she just mean their jump content was getting closer to matching the men at the time?

 

[Maximillian]

Did she really mean they skated like "men" stylistically or did she just mean their jump content was getting closer to matching the men at the time?

Judging by the interview from Albertville posted above, where she does mention the rise in technical difficulty (and fully acknowledges her inability to keep up) she meant that it was 'getting closer' to matching the men in terms of technical difficulty. I believe she actually says that the ladies content in Albertville was more difficult than the men's in Calgary, which was not exactly true, as Ito's was probably equal to Boitano and Orser's, while, Harding and Bonaly's planned content, (Surya was attempting the quad) which neither fulfilled, would have been in the ballpark. But nobody else in the field was doing anything more difficult than Yama's 3L/3t.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

TNT (the U.S secondary broadcaster) had Jill Trenary on for quite a few segments back in 1992 during the Albertville Olympics to provide insights alongside hosts Nick Charles and Fred Hickman.

Jill Trenary Profile/Interview- 1992 Albertville, Figure Skating (Secondary Broadcast Feed)

Albertville, FRANCE - 1992 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Figure Skating (Secondary Broadcast Feed) - Profile on and interview with Jill Trenary of the United...

youtu.be

Thanks for sharing that!!!!

She was always so tan!!! SO mature too, I cant tell is she's 20 or 40... and that is being said as a compliment.

I wonder what she thinks of 2017-2020 ladies skating if she appreciated the simple and lesser triple jumps (like I do).

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

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Judging by the interview from Albertville posted above, where she does mention the rise in technical difficulty (and fully acknowledges her inability to keep up) she meant that it was 'getting closer' to matching the men in terms of technical difficulty. I believe she actually says that the ladies content in Albertville was more difficult than the men's in Calgary, which was not exactly true, as Ito's was probably equal to Boitano and Orser's, while, Harding and Bonaly's planned content, (Surya was attempting the quad) which neither fulfilled, would have been in the ballpark. But nobody else in the field was doing anything more difficult than Yama's 3L/3t.

Thanks for sharing that!!!!

She was always so tan!!! SO mature too, I cant tell is she's 20 or 40... and that is being said as a compliment.

I wonder what she thinks of 2017-2020 ladies skating if she appreciated the simple and lesser triple jumps (like I do).

The irony is in 1993, Kerrigan skated so poorly at US Nationals, Jill's free skate in 1990 could have taken the title.

Beyond the top ten in Albertville, the technical level really dropped off. Most of the women were only going for triple toe and triple sal.

I did like how her influence was still evident in France. Suzanne Otterson of Great Britain, had Jill's styling down to a 't'.

1992 Olympics Ladies SP Suzanne Otterson

** PLS ADD &fmt=18 TO THE URL IF YOU SEE IT ONLY PLAYING THIN ** 1992 Olympics Ladies SP Suzanne Otterson (GB no.3) in Alberville, presenting a nice bright p...

www.youtube.com

 

[meggonzo]

Sasha Cohen had a red and black dress for the SP at those USA Nationals... she was in 1st place after the SP? Or second? And then fell to 3rd/4th after the free?

Like Michelle's free skate at Nationals in 06 she looked rusty.

It was just red:

Sasha Cohen - 2010 U.S. Figure Skating Championships - Short Program

Music: España Cañí by Pascual Marquina Narro

www.youtube.com

Michelle didn't compete at 2006 Nationals.

 

[meggonzo]

Has Jill Trenary ever given an interview since 1992? I know she gave a brief one in Albertville during the Olympics, but outside of that I don't think she ever has. I have to say I've always been quite surprised at what a low profile she's kept since the end of her amateur career.

She competed in a lot of professional and pro-am competitions and toured with Stars on Ice. She had to quit skating because of a blood clot.

 

[tony]

and Team Oksana used this by saying her idol was Jill Trenary and the ladies champion should skate like a lady ... I'm certain that made her popular on the pro circuit.

Apparently you’ve never seen Trenary’s The Feeling Begins. I don’t think there’s any doubt Baiul was a huge fan.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

It was just red:

Sasha Cohen - 2010 U.S. Figure Skating Championships - Short Program

Music: España Cañí by Pascual Marquina Narro

www.youtube.com

Michelle didn't compete at 2006 Nationals.

You think I’m old, don’t you?

Well at least I remembered to put the vodka in my orange juice this morning

 

[tony]

She competed in a lot of professional and pro-am competitions and toured with Stars on Ice. She had to quit skating because of a blood clot.

Also, I don’t think she was around that long in the pro scene. I remember her comeback in 1995 or 1996, but I think it was only for two or maybe three events IIRC.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I did like how her influence was still evident in France. Suzanne Otterson of Great Britain, had Jill's styling down to a 't'.

Holy crapppppp! Jill 2.0

 

[Maximillian]

Also, I don’t think she was around that long in the pro scene. I remember her comeback in 1995 or 1996, but I think it was only for two or maybe three events IIRC.

This. I was a huuuge Jill fan and was disappointed that she had very little visibility during the 'boom' post-wack years of pro skating, unlike her former training mate Kadavy. So many fans came to the sport during that time and I think that's why her legacy is tarnished a bit(i.e. the pat response, 'oh she only won worlds because of figures'--which is partly true, but when on, she was a terrific freeskater who had the misfortune of competing directly against the once in a lifetime jumping phenomenon that was Midori Ito). Had she had more visibility as a pro during those peak post wack pro years, I suspect, especially given the pro programs that I did see, she would be remembered much more fondly...or well...remembered, period.

 

[olympic]

The irony is in 1993, Kerrigan skated so poorly at US Nationals, Jill's free skate in 1990 could have taken the title.

Beyond the top ten in Albertville, the technical level really dropped off. Most of the women were only going for triple toe and triple sal.

I did like how her influence was still evident in France. Suzanne Otterson of Great Britain, had Jill's styling down to a 't'.

1992 Olympics Ladies SP Suzanne Otterson

** PLS ADD &fmt=18 TO THE URL IF YOU SEE IT ONLY PLAYING THIN ** 1992 Olympics Ladies SP Suzanne Otterson (GB no.3) in Alberville, presenting a nice bright p...

www.youtube.com

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In 1992, I always thought the big gap was between the group of Ito / 3 Americans and everyone else. Bonaly was kind of there and I think she had a full complement of triples but lagged due to her SS

 

[alchemy void]

I watched a good amount of ladies pro skating from 95-98 and had no idea who Jill Trenary was. This was the era when Caryn Kadavy, Denise Biellmann, Yuka Sato, and Oksana were on television literally (not hyperbole!) every weekend. Hell, I was more familiar with Rory Flack, Marina Kielmann, and Lilly Lee than Trenary.

I can only speculate as to how much my 13 year old development was stunted by not having access to this program every weekend?!

Jill Trenary 1996 Ice Wars

Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'"

youtu.be

 

[tony]

I watched a good amount of ladies pro skating from 95-98 and had no idea who Jill Trenary was. This was the era when Caryn Kadavy, Denise Biellmann, Yuka Sato, and Oksana were on television literally (not hyperbole!) every weekend. Hell, I was more familiar with Rory Flack, Marina Kielmann, and Lilly Lee than Trenary.

I can only speculate as to how much my 13 year old development was stunted by not having access to this program every weekend?!

Jill Trenary 1996 Ice Wars

Nancy Sinatra's "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'"

youtu.be

You don’t remember this?! It was before the days of me VHS-ing everything but a lot of the choreography stuck in my mind until we actually had videos to download online- probably some 10 years later.

 

[alchemy void]

You don’t remember this?! It was before the days of me VHS-ing everything but a lot of the choreography stuck in my mind until we actually had videos to download online- probably some 10 years later.

No, somehow it completely escaped my notice until the youtube era! I don't know how I missed it.
Maybe it was for the best, as I was a devoted Caryn fanboi by this point.

 

[bardtoob]

Apparently you’ve never seen Trenary’s The Feeling Begins. I don’t think there’s any doubt Baiul was a huge fan.

I am certain there were many recordings of Trenary in that water heater closet Oksana supposedly lived in after her mother died and her father abandoned her but before she was human trafficked to the US after the Olympics.

 

[tony]

I am certain there were many recordings of Trenary in that water heater closet Oksana supposedly lived in after her mother died and her father abandoned her but before she was human trafficked to the US after the Olympics.

All it takes is one performance seen somehow and some way to become a huge fan.

Jill Trenary (Caravan) 1992

Jill skates a flawless program to "The Feeling Begins, and Caravan" at the PNIC opening

www.youtube.com

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

www.youtube.com

There is no way in hell Baiul was not influenced by this program, and if she's going to come out with something as similar, she obviously was a fan regardless of whether you think the story was fabricated by her team.

Oksana Baiul performs to "The Feeling Begins" by Peter Gabriel

Music: 'The Feeling Begins' by Peter Gabriel. Thank you @itspetergabriel! 👍 The Empress of Ice, Oksana Baiul (twitter: @OksanaBaiul) competes at the 1995 Rid...

www.youtube.com

 

[bardtoob]

There is no way in hell Baiul was not influenced by this program, and if she's going to come out with something as similar, she obviously was a fan regardless of whether you think the story was fabricated by her team.

It was not a total fabrication. I firmly believe that Oksana was a Mellon Patch Kid, no a Cabbage Patch Kid.

Back to School mellon patch kids

www.youtube.com

 

[bardtoob]

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

www.youtube.com

Oksana Baiul performs to "The Feeling Begins" by Peter Gabriel

Music: 'The Feeling Begins' by Peter Gabriel. Thank you @itspetergabriel! 👍 The Empress of Ice, Oksana Baiul (twitter: @OksanaBaiul) competes at the 1995 Rid...

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Are you sure that it wasn't that Christopher Dean happened to choreograph for both Jill and Oksana? Christopher and Jill married in 1994.

 

[tony]

Are you sure that it wasn't that Christopher Dean happened to choreograph for both Jill and Oksana? Christopher and Jill married in 1994.

Can't say for sure, but I don't think Dean was involved with Baiul's choreography- I think maybe she even did this herself. And Dean was still married to Duchesnay until early 1993, so Trenary would've already been skating this program prior.

 

[bardtoob]

@Tony Wheeler

Thanks for the links. Those programs were fun and actually relatively exotic.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

All it takes is one performance seen somehow and some way to become a huge fan.

Jill Trenary (Caravan) 1992

Jill skates a flawless program to "The Feeling Begins, and Caravan" at the PNIC opening

www.youtube.com

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

Jill Trenary - 1994 (2)

www.youtube.com

There is no way in hell Baiul was not influenced by this program, and if she's going to come out with something as similar, she obviously was a fan regardless of whether you think the story was fabricated by her team.

Oksana Baiul performs to "The Feeling Begins" by Peter Gabriel

Music: 'The Feeling Begins' by Peter Gabriel. Thank you @itspetergabriel! 👍 The Empress of Ice, Oksana Baiul (twitter: @OksanaBaiul) competes at the 1995 Rid...

www.youtube.com

If Bauil was influed by Trenary, could Trenary have been influenced by Katarina Witt.

Witt skated to Caravans in the short program for the 1985/86 season. Her costume was pretty out there at the time, too.

Katarina Witt 1986 Worlds SP

Katarina Witt 1986 Worlds SP

www.youtube.com

 

[Maximillian]

If Bauil was influed by Trenary, could Trenary have been influenced by Katarina Witt.

Witt skated to Caravans in the short program for the 1985/86 season. Her costume was pretty out there at the time, too.

Ah, Kati probably never wants to think about that SP again, she missed her combo at both Euros and Worlds, costing her the title in the latter.

 

[olympic]

Ah, Kati probably never wants to think about that SP again, she missed her combo at both Euros and Worlds, costing her the title in the latter.

I think that was the year she was dealing with an injury and weight gain?

 

[Maximillian]

I think that was the year she was dealing with an injury and weight gain?

Possibly. I remember reading her autobiography some years back and can't remember anything outside of the fact that Frau Mueller was NOT pleased with her.

 

[DreamSkates]

OK I didn’t remember her going.

It's hard to keep up with who went and what year and the results unless you keep copious notes or are the persons who can remember such details.