I am not talking about age difference or dating - I am talking about girls often as young as 13 and 14 years old being sought after by much older, wealthy men of power and influence, even marrying them, and nobody batting an eye. We know that young "groupies" often even travelled with much older rock stars. I am really just saying there was a lot of absolutely deplorable stuff going on which now would be labelled as "pedophile behaviour".
I am not condoning making false statements. The racism claim that has been alleged is a "he said/she said" situation. To the extent there is no "proof" it was said, there is also no "proof" that it was not. Hence we all have to draw our own opinions based on the information that is out there.
What a wonderful response. Thank you. And you are 100% correct. We all see the world through our own lens, which is shaped in part by our heritage, our experiences and on and on. We say we understand someone else's sorrow, for example.....but mostly we don't.
What about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump? They were also good buddies of JE as were probably many more rich and powerful men. R. Kelly was alleged to be involved with Aaliyah as young as 12 and he had a lot of control when it came to her career. He is accused of abusing preteens and operating a cult that controlled his girls. I personally have zero sympathy for Andrew but I am not sure he is worse then many others.
There have never been any rumors of either of them liking kids though. All their accusers have been women. I assume they hung out for the partying and the power.
Noel Casler said Trump had been provided with a thirteen year old girl by Epstein at his house. She filed some kind of lawsuit much later, but withdrew it, supposedly because she was threatened. It is not pedophilia, but she was certainly a minor under the age of consent.
At least one poster, maybe two, in this thread asserted that Harry's behavior (as influenced by Meghan) has been more despicable than Andrew.
Personally, i was responding to this post suggesting that Prince Andrew behaves better in this context than Harry or Megan. And being blunt the person who seems mentally distrubed to me is this poster:
Which I find weird because I don't think of Nazis as being colonizers in the traditional sense. (They weren't in power long enough and they conquered lands that were their peers before.) So it never would have occurred to me that this was a possibility. I would dress as a sheik, I think. (Except I probably wouldn't go because the theme is gross.)
Okay, that's the first I heard of it. Are there stories like that about Clinton?
I don't remember much coverage about his brother being there and partaking.
I think many couples/families/friends muse on who a baby will favour. I also think that couples are capable of distinguishing genuine musing compared to "musing" that is careless or seeking to inflict pain. For example someone commenting on whether a child might inherit a trait that is often the subject of teasing or insults either in society in general or that an individual has been picked on for (big nose/ears, red hair) - this can be mere musing or it can be done in a way that is hurtful to the parents. And sometimes comments made on features like that are coded slurs as well which adds another layer.
I was responding to the comments from Lemonade20. For what its worth a quick comparison of the comments on UK articles about H&M v Andrew show enough of a difference to suggest more outrage at the first than the second.
Also we know that Prince Philip made full on racist comments in his past and every generation in that family right down to Harry’s have made huge racist errors. It’s really not difficult to believe that anyone around H&M may have made openly racist remarks.
No, not about Clinton. You can imagine that Trump went to some trouble to squelch this story. Noel Casler says the most inflammatory things about Trump and his three older children and they leave him severely, severely alone. I'm guessing he has receipts.
Actually, we don't "know" that. In the absence of video or audio proof, we simply have allegations. He/she said. That is all that is.
That makes sense. I was trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt since I hadn't heard anything.
Prince Phillip's racist remarks are a matter of public record. So they aren't allegations. Though I supposed, given things he's said in public, there's a good chance he's made much worse in private.
He didn't think wearing a Nazi uniform was a big deal, so I doubt he would have considered something like Blackface to be a big deal. That doesn't make him a moron, it just means that he was raised in a different culture and that he had a few things to learn.
Indeed... and thankfully your friend was sensitive/self aware enough to recognise that 1. she might have made a comment that was racist and 2. that you were the person to turn to as to whether or not it was in that particular circumstance.
Ya think? There is a horrid disconnect somewhere.Yes, because racism is all about people being hypersensitive to comments that weren't meant to be racist
You know, sometimes people make racist comments because they genuinely believe that people not like them are stupid, uppity, inferior, dangerous, etc. etc.
If Harry grew up in an environment where no one seemed to think it was maybe not OK to throw a "colonial"-themed party, to wear a Nazi uniform for fun, to say things like "slitty eyes" at public events....maybe he did need some re-education.
