Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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It was reported that Charles would like to see his granddaughter and that he offered his protection which is nice IMO.

BTW I get the feeling that he is the inofficial leader of the RF, now that the Queen is so frail. There is a clip on YT where she cuts a cake with a sword - even using the wrong edge. It's cute but she seems to become a bit childish. I know people her age and even if they are still bright, they are so easily exhausted, just after sitting 2 hours and listening to a conversation. It seems to eat all their energy to concentrate. The Queen is probably happy to rely on Charles.
 
canbelto said:
I found an extremely troubled woman who seemed convinced that Harry fathered her four children and that only Meghan was standing in the way of her being "reunited" with Harry.
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I would be surprised if Meghan and Harry are the only ones who have to deal with these kind of threats.

Does the UK police normally provide police protection to private (foreign) citizens? So, if George and Amal Clooney came for a visit, would the UK police protect them? (Given that Amal Clooney is a civil rights lawyer with Lebanese roots, I would imagine that they're the target of more than the "crazed fans" threats).
Is Malala Yousafzai considered a private citizen and if so, is it known who handles her protection?
 
It is what it is Harry wants to pay for it which is at least a step up. However not sure why regular security wouldn’t work.
 
ballettmaus said:
I would be surprised if Meghan and Harry are the only ones who have to deal with these kind of threats.

Does the UK police normally provide police protection to private (foreign) citizens? So, if George and Amal Clooney came for a visit, would the UK police protect them? (Given that Amal Clooney is a civil rights lawyer with Lebanese roots, I would imagine that they're the target of more than the "crazed fans" threats).
Is Malala Yousafzai considered a private citizen and if so, is it known who handles her protection?
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My understanding is that it would depend on why they were coming. Private citizens visiting England as tourists would not normally get police protection. But famous people coming for a big event sponsored by the government or for a state visit normally would. The UK wouldn't want Malala to come for a peace conference and be assassinated on their watch, for example.
 
MacMadame said:
My understanding is that it would depend on why they were coming. Private citizens visiting England as tourists would not normally get police protection. But famous people coming for a big event sponsored by the government or for a state visit normally would. The UK wouldn't want Malala to come for a peace conference and be assassinated on their watch, for example.
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Doesn't Malala still live in Birmingham? I thought I read that when she got married recently. (That's why I wondered about who provides her protection).
 
ballettmaus said:
Does the UK police normally provide police protection to private (foreign) citizens? So, if George and Amal Clooney came for a visit, would the UK police protect them? (Given that Amal Clooney is a civil rights lawyer with Lebanese roots, I would imagine that they're the target of more than the "crazed fans" threats).
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The Metropolitan police has a specific branch that carries out protective duties for the royal family and government ministers like the Prime Minister. They are elite forces trained and are armed (unlike the majority of the police force). That elite division would look after visiting heads of state or other diplomatic visitors who are invited officially to the UK. I don't think celebrities can make use of this part of the police force, but obviously if they're invited to an official engagement with the Queen (like to get an MBE, OBE, or be knighted etc) then the whole event is under the protection of the specialist unit (but they focus for the police will be on securing the event and the Royal Family/Government ministers).

ballettmaus said:
Is Malala Yousafzai considered a private citizen and if so, is it known who handles her protection?
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I'm pretty sure she's a private citizen and not under police protection, certainly not the branch that looks after the Royal Family.
 
ballettmaus said:
Doesn't Malala still live in Birmingham? I thought I read that when she got married recently. (That's why I wondered about who provides her protection).
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Yes to both:
people.com

Malala Yousafzai's New Husband Shares Sweet Wedding Tribute: 'I Found the Most Supportive Friend'

Malala Yousafzai's new husband Asser Malik shared a loving tribute one day after the couple announced they had tied the knot.
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I don't know what kind of security she has, and I imagine that's not the kind of information that will be released to the public.
 
My take on it is that the police are there to serve the public. If someone in the public is in danger, say from credible death threats or a stalker, they should do what they can to prevent their harm and not just wait for it to happen. And often they do depending on many factors. So for a nobody being stalked, they might increase patrols in the area around their home. For someone very famous, they would do more though.

Not giving Harry and his family similar protection to what they had when they were working royals and living in the UK when they visit the UK seems short-sighted to me. If anything, they are in more danger now in the UK than before because some people are angered by them leaving. (And also because some of the more unhinged have been whipped up by Meghan daring to have kids. Which are also fake. Or something. It doesn't make have to sense for it to put them in danger)
 
MacMadame said:
Not giving Harry and his family similar protection to what they had when they were working royals and living in the UK when they visit the UK seems short-sighted to me. If anything, they are in more danger now in the UK than before because some people are angered by them leaving. (And also because some of the more unhinged have been whipped up by Meghan daring to have kids. Which are also fake. Or something. It doesn't make have to sense for it to put them in danger)
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That's why I was asking about someone like Malala. If private security is sufficient for her then it should be sufficient for Meghan and Harry as well. If she's protected by the police then it would appear that Harry is right and private security is severely lacking.

I don't get why the Queen does not seem to have asked if the police force believes police protection would be necessary for a family visit. If the police say no, they don't see any reason why private security shouldn't be enough, fine. But it does not sound like she even asked and I think she should.
 
I'm sure there are wackos out there who could cause problems for Malala or for H&M, but I don't think they're comparable in terms of what sort of security each of them needs. They probably have different kinds of threats. It may not be a reasonable comparison to say that if Malala has one form of security then that's the same kind of security that H&M should get and nothing more.
 
ballettmaus said:
I don't get why the Queen does not seem to have asked if the police force believes police protection would be necessary for a family visit. If the police say no, they don't see any reason why private security shouldn't be enough, fine. But it does not sound like she even asked and I think she should.
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overedge said:
I'm sure there are wackos out there who could cause problems for Malala or for H&M, but I don't think they're comparable in terms of what sort of security each of them needs. They probably have different kinds of threats. It may not be a reasonable comparison to say that if Malala has one form of security then that's the same kind of security that H&M should get and nothing more.
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One thing I have been wondering is if Harry could hire off-duty police as part of his security forces in the UK. That might be a good compromise but it does depend exactly on what the threat is if that would work.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of "let's work this out" going on here.
 
ballettmaus said:
I don't get why the Queen does not seem to have asked if the police force believes police protection would be necessary for a family visit. If the police say no, they don't see any reason why private security shouldn't be enough, fine. But it does not sound like she even asked and I think she should.
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But Harry already asked - that's what his lawsuit is about. He asked, the police evaluated and said no.
 
I found out today that private security cannot carry guns in the UK. In the US Harry's protection includes guns. I just read that Harry said that's why private security will not be good enough for him to put his family at risk. A risk he inherited at birth unlike other famous people.
 
taf2002 said:
I found out today that private security cannot carry guns in the UK. In the US Harry's protection includes guns. I just read that Harry said that's why private security will not be good enough for him to put his family at risk. A risk he inherited at birth unlike other famous people.
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You know this line of reasoning infuriates me. There are so many women who have credible threats from their ex-husbands or ex-boyfriends and police don't do jack shit. Harry doesn;t deserve things just because he was born into the BRF. In fact, none of the BRF deserve police protection. They can pay for their own bodyguards -- they're rich enough.
 
I thought this was mainly over the issue of carrying guns. The vast majority of law enforcement officers in the UK do not carry guns. It would be setting a new precedent to allow a private security firm to be armed and should an exception be made it would open the door for other challenges by other individuals. Princess Anne was almost successfully kidnapped in 1974 when she was a celebrity royal and protected by only one bodyguard. Her children have never gone by HRH, I wonder how their security has been provided.
 
Princess Anne’s children have never had their own security provided by the state, as far as I know. They would have of course been covered by their mother’s security when they were minors. They may pay for private security, but I doubt it. They live relatively private, “normal” (albeit privileged, aristocratic) lives.

My understanding is Anne and Edward and Sophie only have police protection on official engagements, they don’t have 24/7 police security at their homes or when they are off the clock. The only royals who have full time police coverage are the Queen, Charles and Camilla, William and Kate, and Andrew (who may lose his now he is not a working royal). Any security the others may have (and I don’t think they have any), they pay for privately.
 
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Royals are protected by a special task force who carry guns. All Harry wants is to have real protection - he doesn't want it free. I don't know how much protection he will have against someone who actively wants to kill him or his family if that person has weapons. It is no use citing what other royals have or don't have or what happened to Princess Anne in the past. This is a real & present danger. It's pretty clear than the Queen doesn't care what happens to any of them or if she ever meets her gr'children. If she did this would be a non-issue.
 
The Queen has no real power. She can’t just order the police to protect Harry, she can’t even order the government to order the police to do it. It’s all laid out in the constitution and laws and changing it isn’t easy. She can ask, she can offer to pay, and we don’t know if she has done that. But she can’t demand.
 
My bf is a retired royal protection officer. Most of the comments above are accurate. Indeed, it falls under the Metropolitan Police. There is a highly trained branch that oversees royalty and diplomats, and within that, some police are uniformed and some are not. On occasion, if there is a direct threat, a regular private citizen may get protection for a time. For example, my bf had to guard Salmon Rushdie (who was a horrible, nasty person, according to him. The British taxpayer pays for this, and despite him making millions from his books, he never repaid a penny for his security). If Harry and Meghan come to see the Queen or Charles, they will automatically be in the Met protection bubble, and that goes if they're on the Windsor Royal Estate, which also covers Andrew and Sarah since they live on the estate. Now if Harry and Meghan want to take a stroll around the town of Windsor, they're on their own, as that jurisdiction falls under Thames Valley Police. Official occasions, like the Queen's Jubilee, they would be protected. However, on casual visits, they simply cannot expect to be provided with or rent their own Metropolitan royalty protection officers. And from what I've heard, I don't think any protection officers would be lining up for the extra money--even if they could.
 
Oreo said:
My bf is a retired royal protection officer. Most of the comments above are accurate. Indeed, it falls under the Metropolitan Police. There is a highly trained branch that oversees royalty and diplomats, and within that, some police are uniformed and some are not. On occasion, if there is a direct threat, a regular private citizen may get protection for a time. For example, my bf had to guard Salmon Rushdie (who was a horrible, nasty person, according to him. The British taxpayer pays for this, and despite him making millions from his books, he never repaid a penny for his security). If Harry and Meghan come to see the Queen or Charles, they will automatically be in the Met protection bubble, and that goes if they're on the Windsor Royal Estate, which also covers Andrew and Sarah since they live on the estate. Now if Harry and Meghan want to take a stroll around the town of Windsor, they're on their own, as that jurisdiction falls under Thames Valley Police. Official occasions, like the Queen's Jubilee, they would be protected. However, on casual visits, they simply cannot expect to be provided with or rent their own Metropolitan royalty protection officers. And from what I've heard, I don't think any protection officers would be lining up for the extra money--even if they could.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing, that's so interesting.
 
So there would be no protection from the airport to Windsor? The Sussexes would be on their own from the time they got off the plane, including walking thru the airport, until they got to Windsor? No risk there.
 
taf2002 said:
Royals are protected by a special task force who carry guns. All Harry wants is to have real protection - he doesn't want it free. I don't know how much protection he will have against someone who actively wants to kill him or his family if that person has weapons. It is no use citing what other royals have or don't have or what happened to Princess Anne in the past. This is a real & present danger. It's pretty clear than the Queen doesn't care what happens to any of them or if she ever meets her gr'children. If she did this would be a non-issue.
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A law would have to be changed in Parliament. The Queen has no control over Parliament. You forget that she doesn't actually have any power to change laws.
 
taf2002 said:
So there would be no protection from the airport to Windsor? The Sussexes would be on their own from the time they got off the plane, including walking thru the airport, until they got to Windsor? No risk there.
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Harry's a VIP, he doesn't have to trudge through the airport and wait at the baggage carousel. They'll get off the plane first and go out through a private exit and right into a car and he'll have his hired security with him the entire time. I saw a story that even if he doesn't have a Royal PPO, they'd be met by police to help coordinate their travel. If they take a private plane, they'll be even further removed from the public.
 
Barbara Manatee said:
Harry's a VIP, he doesn't have to trudge through the airport and wait at the baggage carousel. They'll get off the plane first and go out through a private exit and right into a car and he'll have his hired security with him the entire time. I saw a story that even if he doesn't have a Royal PPO, they'd be met by police to help coordinate their travel. If they take a private plane, they'll be even further removed from the public.
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This is a bit off topic but it sounds like you might know - how do VIPs get their luggage back after a flight?!
 
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