Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

[Husky]

I guess people made up their mind about Andrew. There is not much to discuss though AFAIK paedo is having sex with children and he didn't sink this low?

In regards to Harry, people are still undecided, feeling the need to discuss his actions. I think it even questions modern monarchy if a prince leaves his RF, even if he was never likely to take the throne. I read a lot of comments below newspaper articles: let's go republic!

 

[canbelto]

Another book review:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/finding-freedom-dissects-prince-harry-and-meghan-markles-break-with-the-royal-family/2020/08/17/f33eceb6-e085-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

 

[overedge]

I got this book out of my local library:

Royals at War: The Untold Story of Harry and Meghan's Shocking Split with the House of Windsor|Hardcover

Reveals Shocking Revelations about Prince Harry, Meghan Markle, and the British Royal Family—and the Divisive Rifts Between Them This explosive exposé, Royals at War, takes readers inside a riven Buckingham Palace to provide the definitive account of...

www.barnesandnoble.com

Don't waste your time. You won't learn anything that you didn't know already. And the authors are so thin on H&M material that they padded the book with chapters on things like: who was driving the white Fiat Uno the night Diana died?

 

[Andora]

Well, I think it's also because gossiping about tiffs about tiaras and lifts in land rovers to shopping trips and stuck up celebs is mindless entertainment and something that people can shoot the breeze about. (Particularly when there's no skating in sight).

But what do you say about Andrew? The whole topic is extremely delicate and one which I would never dare discuss on a forum. It's a completely different scenario to people just offering different opinions about a princess fighting over a diamond tiara.

But having just googled Andrew, all the articles are there to read. The Sun seems to have a steady stream of articles about it: https://www.thesun.co.uk/who/prince-andrew/ But I think definitely a topic for its own thread.

Don't worry, I assure you that I won't be wading into that at all on an internet forum.

This is precisely why I don't like to discuss heavy topics on internet forums. One sentence vaguely on the issue and it's already been immediately twisted out of context to make me sound terrible.

Anyway. There's a separate thread for all of that.

You are literally handling Andrew with more care and kid gloves than two people who absolutely went through some sort of family breakdown and acted accordingly. JFC, I feel for your family.

It's not that Andrew should be discussed here. It's this regular aghast feeling I have every time I see just ridiculous judgmental twattery, while favouring the very damn woman who is protecting Prince Andrew from more public and legal fallout.

But that's just me.

 

[canbelto]

I'm appalled that Andrew should "never be discussed" because it's "delicate." No it's not. It's clear what he did. It's easy to talk about what he did.

I actually think the H&M situation is harder because I actually read the Omid Scobie book (time on my hands) and even after reading all that I feel like I'm getting second and third hand accounts of conversations. It's unclear how much H&M told their "friends," and in the very worst interpretation of the W&H rift it was just brothers who didn't see eye to eye. So it's a family feud where we don't know squat other than little tidbits of information.

 

[becca]

I don’t know? I don’t think what Harry and Meghan were proposing compares with Andrews daughters...

Andrew's daughters are not funded at all. They have jobs, and they do charity stuff. Meghan and Harry announced plans to leave, put out a manifesto and part of their plan was tax payer security. They also wanted to keep some of the jobs like (fun trips) They also outright left the UK.

Plus it doesn't seem to me like Harry and Meghan really want a quiet private life. I think they just don't want to share the spotlight.

The thing with them I don't like is I don't feel they are team players. They have talked about their tendency to announce things, when other members of the royal family have important announcements.

Heck they announced their pregnancy at a royal wedding let that be the center rather than Andrew's daughter's wedding.

I think you can contrast wtih Kate who they say purposely rewears clothes to weddings, because she wants the spotlight on the bride.

Nothing wrong with wanting a normal life. And a lot of their grievances seem really petty. I must say this there is nothing wrong with a family member saying in love maybe you should take a marriage slow. That's not snobbery and people sometimes say that to people they love.

 

[Vagabond]

I'm appalled that Andrew should "never be discussed" because it's "delicate."

No, there is a separate thread for him. If you want to say something, say it there. Please!

 

[becca]

And one could point out Eugenie had to postpone her wedding too because of Meghan and Harry and they did that. One thing too the Princesses are working pretty normal jobs and aren't out there advertising and looking to have global brand.

 

[Andora]

I don’t know? I don’t think what Harry and Meghan were proposing compares with Andrews daughters...

Andrew's daughters are not funded at all. They have jobs, and they do charity stuff. Meghan and Harry announced plans to leave, put out a manifesto and part of their plan was tax payer security. They also wanted to keep some of the jobs like (fun trips) They also outright left the UK.

Plus it doesn't seem to me like Harry and Meghan really want a quiet private life. I think they just don't want to share the spotlight.

The thing with them I don't like is I don't feel they are team players. They have talked about their tendency to announce things, when other members of the royal family have important announcements.

Heck they announced their pregnancy at a royal wedding let that be the center rather than Andrew's daughter's wedding.

I think you can contrast wtih Kate who they say purposely rewears clothes to weddings, because she wants the spotlight on the bride.

Nothing wrong with wanting a normal life. And a lot of their grievances seem really petty. I must say this there is nothing wrong with a family member saying in love maybe you should take a marriage slow. That's not snobbery and people sometimes say that to people they love.

I'm amazed that I remain amazed at how you manage to be ignorant on every subject you post about, every single time. Even broken clocks have a better track record, bek. Unsophisticated is the nice way to put your view of the world.

Your take on Eugenie & Beatrice is hilarious, especially your hand-wringing over Eugenie's wedding. I guess you forgot about their SUPER UNDERSTATED appearance at Will & Kate's 2011 nuptials. They were rightly raked over the coals for that.

Not to mention, it's well-reported they receive funding from Prince Andrew. So while they don't directly benefit from the Sovereign Grant or UK taxes, it's hella disingenuous to say they're not on the dole. And you still haven't said boo about their perverted father, while coming down on the couple with a biracial princess. It's awfully curious, as always, bek.

 

[taf2002]

It's clear the senior members of the family knew about the pregnancy before Eugenia's wedding. I read that she encouraged Harry to leak it at her reception. Even if not IMO it takes a really egotistical person to care if someone other than her gets a little attention at her wedding, esp at a large wedding where multiple conversations are going on at all times.

 

[morqet]

Andrew's daughters are not funded at all. They have jobs, and they do charity stuff.

They are heavily subsidised in other ways. When they lived in St. James' Palace, Andrew paid rent for them of £20,000/year or £1,600/month which a) comes from the Queen and b) is massively below market rent for London - for context I pay £600/month more, which gets us mere mortals a 2 bedroom flat in zone 2 rather than the 4 bedroom apartment in central London you get if you are royal. When Eugenie moved to Ivy Cottage in Kensington, there were major repair and redecoration works done, reported to have cost millions - Andrew refused to pay that and so the speculation is that it came from the Sovereign Grant. But I don't remember Eugenie getting raked over the coals for that as Meghan was for Frogmore Cottage.

 

[Lemonade20]

Plus it doesn't seem to me like Harry and Meghan really want a quiet private life. I think they just don't want to share the spotlight.

Nothing wrong with wanting a normal life. And a lot of their grievances seem really petty.

Exactly, Meghan was trying to be Diana 2.0 and it didn’t work in her favor.

 

[becca]

I'm amazed that I remain amazed at how you manage to be ignorant on every subject you post about, every single time. Even broken clocks have a better track record, bek. Unsophisticated is the nice way to put your view of the world.

Your take on Eugenie & Beatrice is hilarious, especially your hand-wringing over Eugenie's wedding. I guess you forgot about their SUPER UNDERSTATED appearance at Will & Kate's 2011 nuptials. They were rightly raked over the coals for that.

Not to mention, it's well-reported they receive funding from Prince Andrew. So while they don't directly benefit from the Sovereign Grant or UK taxes, it's hella disingenuous to say they're not on the dole. And you still haven't said boo about their perverted father, while coming down on the couple with a biracial princess. It's awfully curious, as always, bek.

I am not okay with Andrew but his daughters aren’t responsible for his behavior.

Hey? I don’t think it’s polite for them to make the announcement so close to the wedding this has nothing to do with Meghan’s race. I could care less about someone’s race. I really could.

I don’t think what Harry and Meghan wanted was the same thing at all and the Princesses arent trying to build a global brand. They work regular day jobs where they don’t use their titles.

For the record I have no problem with Harry and Meghan leaving but the way they have gone about it not so much.
I frankly don’t get the hostility you have for me. You have never met me in my life. A lot of hostility for a person you frankly don’t know from Adam. I mean royal figures they are public so I get taking about them.
But me uh I am just someone who posts on a message board if you saw me on the street you would have no idea who I was. And I have never said anything mean to you or anyone. Disagreeing with me cool but I don’t get it Andora?

i have never commented on Meghans race. Makes no difference to me and I think assuming that’s someone’s issue is really unfair especially since for all you know I could be a minority.

I have commented on Meghans public behavior but I have never said she was all bad too.

 

[MacMadame]

I don’t think it’s polite for them to make the announcement so close to the wedding

Even if Eugenia thought it was okay and wanted them to? (which some people are saying is true)

 

[becca]

Even if Eugenia thought it was okay and wanted them to? (which some people are saying is true)

People are saying that she wasn’t and it’s not just that. One of the biggest criticisms is they do stuff like this all the time. Camilla was giving a speech on Domestic violence that was important to her. Meghan and Harry did something.

Even when they announced their relationship Charles was on a trip to the Middle East he wanted the attention on that the book even reportedly talks about it.

Meghan Markle Violated an Agreement When She Upstaged Camilla Parker Bowles Claims Royal Source

Meghan Markle reportedly violated an agreement within the royal family by upstaging Camilla Parker Bowles' speech on domestic violence.

www.cheatsheet.com

 

[Lorac]

Even if Eugenia thought it was okay and wanted them to? (which some people are saying is true)

Every report I've seen states Eugenia wasn't happy with the announcement being made at her wedding and apparently the FF book states the same.

 

[MacMadame]

Every report I've seen states Eugenia wasn't happy with the announcement being made at her wedding and apparently the FF book states the same.

Well I don't think that speaks very highly to her. I would have no issue if someone announced they were pregnant at my wedding. Why should someone else's happiness make mine less?

 

[Lorac]

Well I don't think that speaks very highly to her. I would have no issue if someone announced they were pregnant at my wedding. Why should someone else's happiness make mine less?

Personally I think making that sort of announcement on somebodies wedding day is exceedingly selfish - waiting a couple of days wouldn't have hurt them. And as @becca has noted - and many others have also noted - Meghan and Harry had -and have - a very annoying habit of making announcements that seem to be aimed at causing aggravation within the family due to the timing of the announcements coinciding with other royal announcements or engagements.

 

[becca]

Well I don't think that speaks very highly to her. I would have no issue if someone announced they were pregnant at my wedding. Why should someone else's happiness make mine less?

Sure but look at the dynamics of the relationship. All of her life she has taken a back seat to William and Harry. All her life. My understanding is she would actually like to take on civil duties.

And she even had to postpone her own wedding for Meghan and Harry this is documented.

You have one day One week that the Public attention is on her and Meghan and Harry take it over. It may not be about someone’s happiness.

I mean I would already be annoyed about the postponing of my wedding.

And one can point out to in the whole your the first person to ask me if I am okay. Africa documentary. That documentary was suppose to be about people whose plight is way worse than hers.And Meghan made it about her.

no one is perfect but I do think Meghan really does have a Public history of doing stuff like that it’s not a good look.

 

[MacMadame]

Okay but I have a relative that likes to one-up me. And if she announced a pregnancy at my wedding, I would be momentarily annoyed. But a year later, I probably would have forgotten about it. Eugenie has been married for a while now.

 

[Lorac]

Okay but I have a relative that likes to one-up me. And if she announced a pregnancy at my wedding, I would be momentarily annoyed. But a year later, I probably would have forgotten about it. Eugenie has been married for a while now.

Yes - and the FF book states she was unhappy 'at the time'. She's probably like you - she has forgotten about it now but friends have commented that the book is correct in it's report on how Eugenie felt on her wedding day in regards to H&M choosing to announce their pregnancy then.

 

[Lemonade20]

A wedding is a special event, and it’s wrong to take away from the happy couple’s day. I don’t give a #%*! if someone is excited about sharing their news. It’s still THEIR day, not yours. Typical Me-ghan behaviour.

 

[becca]

Okay but I have a relative that likes to one-up me. And if she announced a pregnancy at my wedding, I would be momentarily annoyed. But a year later, I probably would have forgotten about it. Eugenie has been married for a while now.

Well yes I am sure at the end of the day Eugenie is like whatever but I have to say it’s also for the hypocrisy of the situation.

Harry and Meghan are apparently upset that they take a back seat to royals higher on the pecking order than them. Apparently they were made that at the Christmas speech the Queen didn’t include a photo of them even though their wasn’t a photo of a lot of her grand children.

So Given the dynamic Meghan chooses to announce her pregnancy at the wedding of someone who is even lower in the totem than her.
How would she feel if one of the Cambridge kids did it at Archies wedding? That’s kind of the point. Apparently to his credit Harry was upset she did this.

it may be that under normal circumstances Eugenia would not have cared but if Meghan is behind the scenes always demanding attention I would be annoyed that she couldn’t even take a back seat to someone else’s wedding.

 

[canbelto]

Ok so I read the Scobie book. (Time on my hands.) It's a really quick read. All the articles about the book basically covered everything.

I don't know how heavily H&M were involved but the book reads a bit like fanfic about them. A lot of "they have the most perfect love story ever" stuff.

But this whole book makes me think the royals need more stuff to do. Because ALL of them sound so out of touch. That includes Harry and Meghan, Eugenie, William and Kate, everyone. Stuff like the pregnancy announcement is so petty and I'm shocked that Eugenie is still stewing about it. That's stuff you maybe are annoyed for five minutes. Maybe ten. But normal people with normal problems would then build a bridge and get over it.

Another example is the tiara fight. Who cares?

 

[ballettmaus]

I wonder if all of the announcements were made while other stuff was going on because Harry (and Meghan) thought that it will split the attention.

 

[Lorac]

Ok so I read the Scobie book. (Time on my hands.) It's a really quick read. All the articles about the book basically covered everything.

I don't know how heavily H&M were involved but the book reads a bit like fanfic about them. A lot of "they have the most perfect love story ever" stuff.

But this whole book makes me think the royals need more stuff to do. Because ALL of them sound so out of touch. That includes Harry and Meghan, Eugenie, William and Kate, everyone. Stuff like the pregnancy announcement is so petty and I'm shocked that Eugenie is still stewing about it. That's stuff you maybe are annoyed for five minutes. Maybe ten. But normal people with normal problems would then build a bridge and get over it.

Another example is the tiara fight. Who cares?

The impression I get is that she isn't still stewing over it - but was upset on the day - which IMO she had a right to as it was her wedding day!!!

 

[overedge]

And one could point out Eugenie had to postpone her wedding too because of Meghan and Harry and they did that.

The Daily Mail claimed that she and her fiancee were "asked" to postpone the wedding because H&M "might" have been on a foreign tour during the original date - no firm plans at the time. I don't see anything saying that they were forced to postpone the wedding.

 

[canbelto]

The impression I get is that she isn't still stewing over it - but was upset on the day - which IMO she had a right to as it was her wedding day!!!

I'm about to go on a rant. I'm tired of the bridezilla culture. A wedding is now HER day and bridezilla behavior is tolerated or encouraged.

No. The wedding is a celebration of you, your husband, family, friends. It's not a day where you get to be a dictator.

Rpyal weddings even more so -- they're usually extravagant and for public consumption. If I had a wedding and someone announced she was pregnant I'd be like "Cool. Congratulations." That's as much thought as I'd put into it.

 

[becca]

The Daily Mail claimed that she and her fiancee were "asked" to postpone the wedding because H&M "might" have been on a foreign tour during the original date - no firm plans at the time. I don't see anything saying that they were forced to postpone the wedding.

The talk is they were. However let me say what I like about Kate is that she clearly does not always feel the need to have the spotlight ? of the time. Look at how she allowed her sister to wear that sexy dress at her own wedding.

there is something really cool about a female that does allow other people to shine. I was impressed when my cousins wife at her wedding asked the reception hall to sing happy Birthday to some of her friends. I felt my cousin clearly did well marrying someone with that kind of ❤

While I agree bridEzilla culture is not good I do feel the dynamics of a family where one family is more important (one is going to be king) it’s a really churlish to steal the spotlight

 

[overedge]

The talk is they were.

According to who? The UK tabloid press and random Internet posters are not reliable sources.