Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

[4rkidz]

This is FSU. Commenting on skating competitions one hasn't actually seen is a tradition lol.

Yes too true lol

 

[becca]

So @becca since you think they shouldn't have given an interview, does that mean you refused to watch it? Your responses here make it seem like you did watch it.


No, why should it? She remembered something differently or her answer made it seem different than she intended. How does that make her a lying liar who lies and nothing she says is the truth?

I just read the quotes and was hoping it wouldn’t involve trashing their family.

In principle I don’t agree with airing ones dirty laundry. It’s wrong. It’s no different than what Meghans family did to her.

It’s hypocritical to say you want privacy and then air private family situations. We needed to know none of this.

Like what benefit is this other than revenge. And what is their revenge for they have a 200 million Netflix deal.

 

[Polaris]

Harry comes off this interview looking like an ignorant buffoon who "doesn't see race", has lived in a bubble his entire life, and was ineffective at best in preparing his wife for life in the Royal Family.

I sideeyed Megan for saying that she did no research on the Royal Family and that she trusted Harry to give her all the info. Doesn't sound very #girlboss to me.

The two of them and the BRF are drama llamas. I'm eye-roling at all the Americans in uproar and calling for the abolishment of foreign monarchy (monarchies do need to go), as if Americans actually have a say in the matter.

I wonder if the two were prepared for complete estrangement from the BRF going into this. But then again, given how clueless Harry is, he might be all "shocked Pikachu" if the rest of his family doesn't pick up his calls after this interview.

 

[canbelto]

I just read the quotes and was hoping it wouldn’t involve trashing their family.

In principle I don’t agree with airing ones dirty laundry. It’s wrong. It’s no different than what Meghans family did to her.

It’s hypocritical to say you want privacy and then air private family situations. We needed to know none of this.

Ok becca I mean no disrespect but ... in another thread you are talking openly about your frustrations with your mother and people are giving you advice.

 

[Karen-W]

Why are you commenting on something you have not seen? Thats like those that comment on someones skate but have not actually watched it lol. Harry shared that the family dont deal or discuss mental health. Perfectly logical that they would not openly talk about this, or allow her to get help. Lets not forget the Queens cousins locked away in a mental hospital because of concerns of the headlines according to the Queen mother. All about keeping up appearances, which if you followed the saga of Princess Diana you would understand. Eating disorders rampant as well in that family.

I've been following several live feeds and commenting on some of the specifics that others have reported as not entirely accurate for how the BRF actually works. And, if you want to bring Diana into it, you'd also know that she received mental health/therapy when she asked for it, while still married to Charles. And Harry and William have both been very open in the past about their own experiences with mental health professionals. Don't know where you're getting the idea that the BRF doesn't deal with or discuss mental health.

 

[becca]

Ok becca I mean no disrespect but ... in another thread you are talking openly about your frustrations with your mother and people are giving you advice.

Eh none of you know my mother. Will never meet my mother.

I am not going on social media announcing our issues to people who know her.

see the difference? I don’t discuss family issues on social media. I don’t discuss break ups or even who I am dating on social media.


If I issues with someone and want advice I try to go to peope who don’t know them to discuss it.

There is a huge difference between asking advice anyomously and I am anonymous and going around trashing someone publically.

 

[canbelto]

I've been following several live feeds and commenting on some of the specifics that others have reported as not entirely accurate for how the BRF actually works. And, if you want to bring Diana into it, you'd also know that she received mental health/therapy when she asked for it, while still married to Charles. And Harry and William have both been very open in the past about their own experiences with mental health professionals. Don't know where you're getting the idea that the BRF doesn't deal with or discuss mental health.

Actually Diana got a lot of questionable "treatment" instead of real help. For instance Charles is a big believer of homeopathic medicine and Diana saw a colonics expert and an astrologist.

 

[Karen-W]

Could be that as a white person Harry saw the convo from a different lens than Meghan. Very often white people are not aware that their comments, questions, and jokes are deeply offensive.

Harry flat out said that the conversation about skin color occurred very early on when he was first dating Meghan. She implied the conversation occurred when she was pregnant, which was a full 2-2.5 years later. So, one of them is not being straight about when the conversation occurred.

And, in no way am I defending anyone asking that question or bringing it up as an issue for him to consider while dating her or when she was pregnant. It is offensive and wrong (and something I've never thought of myself when my cousins who are married to POC announced they or their spouses were pregnant because - who cares? It's a new baby to love and welcome to the family).

 

[ballettmaus]

Since we know that Archie wasn't eligible for an automatic title or security, I suspect that the truth is somewhere in middle between what they say and what the BRF says.

What a sad mess all around

 

[BittyBug]

Harry flat out said that the conversation about skin color occurred very early on when he was first dating Meghan. She implied the conversation occurred when she was pregnant, which was a full 2-2.5 years later. So, one of them is not being straight about when the conversation occurred.

And, in no way am I defending anyone asking that question or bringing it up as an issue for him to consider while dating her or when she was pregnant. It is offensive and wrong (and something I've never thought of myself when my cousins who are married to POC announced they or their spouses were pregnant because - who cares? It's a new baby to love and welcome to the family).

From the NY Times account, it sounds like the questions / issue was raised several times at different points in time.

Meghan and Harry recount conversations with royals about their son’s skin tone. (Published 2021)

Meghan told Oprah that there were “concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be.”

www.nytimes.com

 

[canbelto]

I feel like that convo was just really offensive and maybe a sign that the BRF lives in its own bubble. For instance, I'd be willing to bet anything that their POC staff would be used to their "jokes" and "comments" and never say anything because they're the paid staff.

A royal family always builds its own Potemkin villages and always acts shocked when they're told their attitudes are offensive or backwards.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

I have a difficult time believing that the royal family or anyone in the Firm would have prevented her from seeking medical treatment.

I don't think so either, and that is why I said discouraged and not prevented. If you are already fragile though, being doubted or shamed could all it takes to keep you from seeking help.

 

[becca]

Since we know that Archie wasn't eligible for an automatic title or security, I suspect that the truth is somewhere in middle between what they say and what the BRF says.

What a sad mess all around

The only reason why I am inclined to give the BRF a break on that is the fact that Edwards children are not using the title and they are entitled. Their mother said they wanted their children to understand they would work for a living. So a slimmer monarchy discussion had been had.

Archie absolutely is not in the same place as his cousins. And Frankly being the spares may not be a bed of roses as we see.

It’s outdated that Harry Andrew and Edwards children have HRH and Anne’s don’t.

I didn’t understand why Harry and Meghan didn’t want him called Lord Archie.

The King of Sweden revoked most of his grandchildren’s HRH as did several other European monarchies so this I don’t think has any thing to do with.

 

[Polaris]

I feel like that convo was just really offensive and maybe a sign that the BRF lives in its own bubble. For instance, I'd be willing to bet anything that their POC staff would be used to their "jokes" and "comments" and never say anything because they're the paid staff.

A royal family always builds its own Potemkin villages and always acts shocked when they're told their attitudes are offensive or backwards.

Rich people (literal royals) live in their own bubble. Wow. Color me shocked. What's next? That royals are racist and elitist as well?

 

[MacMadame]

I didn't say that it makes her a lying liar who lies. I said that it calls what she is saying into question and how she is framing the narrative she is presenting for us to digest. If Harry says "this is when that conversation happened" and Meghan is saying "oh, this was happening at this time" and those times are not the same... Well, who is telling the truth? Can't be both of them. And, if she is caught in a questionable narrative in this one example, doesn't it stand to reason that there are other questionable narratives she has presented?

Um, you haven't seen the interview yet. So you don't know what was actually said.

 

[starrynight]

Harry did let the side down a bit. It was a bit mucky listening to him be upset and shocked that he was ‘cut off’ financially when all that money was either coming from the British taxpayer or the rent payers of the Duchy of Cornwall.

It would have been a bit more glamorous for him to pretend that he wanted to be financially independent.

Instead he said they are only doing the Spotify and Netflix deals for money due to the taxpayer/ Duchy of Cornwall not bankrolling him anymore.

Crying poor with a $30 million inheritance is not too relatable. Neither is acting surprised that you won’t continue get paid for a job that you quit.

The royal family continues into the next generation to be incredibly dysfunctional. The lot of them just need to get real jobs in my opinion and there’d be less time for infighting and gossiping.

 

[skatfan]

I haven't watched the interview yet (currently recording and I'll watch when it's over so that I can FFW through the commercials) but it sounds, from what I've read on other forums, that Meghan was being very careful with her words in answering this question. I have a difficult time believing that the royal family or anyone in the Firm would have prevented her from seeking medical treatment. There are some theories I've read about this particular question that make more sense than just "they wouldn't let me get help!"

No prejudging here at all.

 

[canbelto]

I wonder if the little girl will be named Frances or Diana.

 

[skatfan]

Eh none of you know my mother. Will never meet my mother.

I am not going on social media announcing our issues to people who know her.

see the difference? I don’t discuss family issues on social media. I don’t discuss break ups or even who I am dating on social media.


If I issues with someone and want advice I try to go to peope who don’t know them to discuss it.

There is a huge difference between asking advice anyomously and I am anonymous and going around trashing someone publically.

This board is social media. Anyone can sign-on to create an account, including your mother.

 

[Karen-W]

Meghan's comment about the skin tone

When a clip of Harry's comments is available, I'll share it but here is the quote from him per the BBC's live feed of the interview.

Meghan explicitly states that this conversation occurred when she was pregnant. Harry said it happened during the "early stages" of their relationship.

Stop trying to detract from the real issue, which is not me "prejudging" an interview I personally haven't seen yet since there was a live feed from the BBC during the East coast airing, and focus on the fact that what Meghan and Harry have each stated about those comments/questions from the family about Archie's skin color/tone are in direct conflict with each other.

 

[once_upon]

Harry flat out said that the conversation about skin color occurred very early on when he was first dating Meghan. She implied the conversation occurred when she was pregnant, which was a full 2-2.5 years later. So, one of them is not being straight about when the conversation occurred.

Uh - no. Families say a lot to a son, or daughter, when trying to discourage/interfere with a relationship that they don't say to a potential in law. Then when that doesn't-didnt work, they will start in on the in law. Timing is different.

I suspect Harry and Charles' relationship has always been strained/difficult. Im sure Harry couldn't have grown up and not heard all the stories questioning his parentage. Im also fairly certain that Charles couldn't/didn't show a lot of affection early on and especially after Diana's death. The hurt/despair i saw when Harry couldn't answer questions if Charles takes his calls now - that was real. And it is really, really difficult not being "favorite son" - which absolutely had to be the experience because he wont be king.

We've heard stories on how Diana had eating disorders and most likely could not get adequate mental health. I assume that William nor Harry got any grief counseling post Diana's death - I think that shows in Harry's anger about the paparazzi and his belief they were the cause of his mother's death. We also know that Princess Margaret had issues too. I honestly believe that no one in the royal family could get mental health assistance. And naively they think talking about it, may help the next Royal.

As to airing the family laundry - I honestly believe Harry thinks is defending himself, Meghan, Archie and new little one. That he feels his family treated her unfairly. I respect him for just that reason. The parts I saw, flipping back and forth on my TV, Harry looks very hurt and Meghan looks very supportive. I think he has been hurting in the Royals for most of his life and finally feels he has someone who loves him and listens to him.

I do think they felt they were floundering about the Royal rules, living as a Royal, and the need to seek out information. If you recall Kate was given time to be groomed for Royal life and according to reports got plenty of lessons to avoid another Diana failure. I suspect Harry thought this grooming would happen for Meghan and was quite disturbed/angry she didn't get it. How it could be interpreted as another reminder that she was "less than".

Finally - no one who isn't black or BIPOC gets to talk about feeling of experiencing racism. It truly doesn't exist in the Caucasian experience. Just because we say it doesn't exist or we don't think we are racist doesn't mean that we don't-conciously or unconsciously act/say/do things that a BIPOC person feels is racist. I can name several actions I recently did - unconsciously and unintended- that I saw in a split second after doing them that were racist. I think in talking things with them later, that it hurt them more because we are friends. I think both Meghan and Harry talked about trust and how they felt when things happened. Subtle racism hurts even more that overt.

 

[canbelto]

Oh my god. Why is it out of the realm of possibility that both convos occurred? One with Harry, one with Meghan. And that they processed them and remembered them slightly differently?

Also, this convo no matter when it occurred was offensive.

 

[becca]

This board is social media. Anyone can sign-on to create an account, including your mother.

I don’t see it that way. My mom won’t she doesn’t like this stuff. I would never discuss her not taking the vacinne on let’s say Facebook where friends and family would know about it.

If Meghan went on Reddit anonymously and said my in law family discussed my child’s skin color and cut of my husband. I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Because no one would know really who she is talked about.

Everyone needs to vent. But you can vent in ways that don’t hurt others

 

[once_upon]

I don’t see it that way. My mom won’t she doesn’t like this stuff. I would never discuss her not taking the vacinne on let’s say Facebook where friends and family would know about it.

You do not know that for certain. You might be fairly certain she wouldn't, but people do things you don't expect because they are curious or they are suspicious or any number of reasons.

Plus...We've all heard or know of someone who forgets to log out and the page you left open is read by someone else.

 

[canbelto]

Nothing on the internet is anonymous. I thought everyone knew that already?

 

[skatfan]

I don’t see it that way. My mom won’t she doesn’t like this stuff. I would never discuss her not taking the vacinne on let’s say Facebook where friends and family would know about it.

If Meghan went on Reddit anonymously and said my in law family discussed my child’s skin color and cut of my husband. I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Because no one would know really who she is talked about.

Everyone needs to vent. But you can vent in ways that don’t hurt others

There are TONS of lurkers on these boards. People have been “outed” to their employers from those lurkers. Do not assume you are anonymous here.

 

[Oreo]

Frogmore Cottage is on the Windsor Estate, meaning it’s under royal protection anyway. Now if Archie wanted to move in with some mates or go off somewhere once he was older, then no, he wouldn’t have a royal protection officer with him. Royalty protection comes out of the Met, which is funded by the taxpayers. Why should they pay for H & M’s security after they moved to Canada or the US? Charles, I suppose, could fund security from revenues out of the Duchy of Cornwall, but where do you draw the line?

 

[canbelto]

Also: every year at work we're now required to take an implicit bias training workshop. People complained but generally we've seen a lot of improvements in work culture.

There's no one giving the BRF these workshops. It's likely that they haven't ever taken any racial sensitivity training.

 

[Karen-W]

Also: every year at work we're now required to take an implicit bias training workshop. People complained but generally we've seen a lot of improvements in work culture.

There's no one giving the BRF these workshops. It's likely that they haven't ever taken any racial sensitivity training.

Source?

Just want to clarify, in asking for the source, that I would suspect your assertion is probably correct and the BRF doesn't do anything like this, but it's not an actual fact that they don't unless you have a source for your assertion.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Meghan's comment about the skin tone

When a clip of Harry's comments is available, I'll share it but here is the quote from him per the BBC's live feed of the interview.

Meghan explicitly states that this conversation occurred when she was pregnant. Harry said it happened during the "early stages" of their relationship.

Stop trying to detract from the real issue, which is not me "prejudging" an interview I personally haven't seen yet since there was a live feed from the BBC during the East coast airing, and focus on the fact that what Meghan and Harry have each stated about those comments/questions from the family about Archie's skin color/tone are in direct conflict with each other.

Such a crock. If Meghan needed help she would have asked for and received it. Her husband is a champion for mental health. He must come well connected enough to get Meghan the help she said she needed as discretely as she needed or wanted. I hope they both grow up.