Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

[canbelto]

Also suicidal ideation is serious. I still think the world would be better off without me.

 

[Badams]

What makes people in this thread so sure Meghan is lying? Do you know them personally? I'm seriously asking, because you're very confident in your insistence that she just couldn't possibly be telling the truth. And why is Harry's version the same as hers? Is she controlling him?

 

[canbelto]

I have to turn this off. I struggle with anxiety and depression and this interview is triggering.

 

[overedge]

Meghan is not African American. She is bi-racial. I still think Meghan was disappointed to discover she was not on the top pf the pyramid and cried "RACE". Forgetting she flaunted some rather important issues of decorum. Tennis anyone? Ginormous baby shower? Meghan showed a blatant lack of sensitivity to the British people. And the royal family. And the criticisms of those actions had nothing to do with her ethnic background.

She identifies as Black.

And seriously, she was insensitive to the British people by having a baby shower? GMAFB.

 

[canbelto]

She identifies as Black.

And seriously, she was insensitive to the British people by having a baby shower? GMAFB.

It's @AxelAnnie , rape apologist and white supremacist. What do you expect?

 

[becca]

What makes people in this thread so sure Meghan is lying? Do you know them personally? I'm seriously asking, because you're very confident in your insistence that she's just couldn't possibly be telling the truth. And why is Harry's verson the same as hers? Is she controlling him?

I think the interview is unnecessary. This is Harry’s family. There are also multiple sides to every story.

The security issue for Archie is ridiculous because security had been barred down for everyone well before Archie. And they were parring down the titles.

I don’t agree with airing family issues in the press. It’s not necessary. You say you want privacy well part of privacy is not dumping on your family in the press. It’s wrong.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Interesting. I was under the impression that people could select more than one category for race on the census. I just assumed it was like filling out a URLA where you can select however many categories that apply (or none at all).

And you are correct. From the US Census Bureau.People may choose to report more than one race to indicate their racial mixture, such as “American Indian” and “White.” People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race.

 

[canbelto]

Sounds like the actual feud and rift is between Charles and Harry.

 

[ribbon]

I wasn’t going to watch until I saw this thread and I must admit I was wrong, it is an in depth interview and Oprah did ask some good questions and follow ups. It’s a huge scoop for her.

We heard very little about the future, we have maybe five minutes left...it was a downer. Of course, it is important not to brush aside Meghan when she talks about her pain, but with so much of the world suffering, I don’t know...it feels like they lost a chance to give people hope.

 

[becca]

Sounds like the actual feud and rift is between Charles and Harry.

Well I felt like Harry was acting like a spoiled bratt with the whole daddy can fund me while I do what I want

 

[Wyliefan]

Also suicidal ideation is serious. I still think the world would be better off without me.

Please know that isn't true. Your life is valuable.

 

[canbelto]

Please know that isn't true. Your life is valuable.

It's what I work on everyday. But it's work.

 

[becca]

Canbelto everyone life is valuable it’s been a hard year I find it helps focusing on the moment.

 

[Judy]

I have to turn this off. I struggle with anxiety and depression and this interview is triggering.

Hugs. There is no excuse for not getting her when she was suicidal.

I am really happy they got out.

 

[Karen-W]

Reading some other comments elsewhere - it sounds like Harry has clarified that the question about skin color/tone was asked very early on in the dating relationship, not when Meghan was pregnant. It's still highly offensive but...

To answer:

What makes people in this thread so sure Meghan is lying? Do you know them personally? I'm seriously asking, because you're very confident in your insistence that she just couldn't possibly be telling the truth. And why is Harry's verson the same as hers? Is she controlling him?

If Harry is giving us a different context for the "skin tone" conversation than the one Meghan presented earlier in the interview, shouldn't that call into question everything else she has stated, how she is framing her responses to the interviewer?

 

[AxelAnnie]

Also, I said that it's believable they told her not get inpatient care considering the royal family probably thinks outpatient therapy is the way to go as it's what Harry, William, and Diana used.

If Meghan needed care I am sure she could have had whatever she needed at home. Doctors and nurses round the clock to deliver all manner of therapy.

Who thinks for longer than a minute that Meghan was suicidal Harry would not have made sure she got the care she needed...as well as ensuring for his son's life and safety.

 

[canbelto]

Ok a lot to unpack here. I can't help but feel that once again, the woman is taking the fall for the man.

Harry in his short time drops some huge bombs -- he and Charles are completely estranged, not even on speaking terms anymore. But Harry seems sort of willing to push the narrative that he wanted to "get out" because of Meghan. Which -- honestly, the misogyny of these narratives is annoying. The relationship with Charles didn't get so shitty overnight. I suspect it's 35+ years of Charles not really being the father he needed to be for a son who was sensitive and emotional.

The "feud" between Kate and Meghan sounds like a huge nothingburger -- they exchanged words before a wedding. A stressful time, and Kate just had a baby. But Meghan clarifies it wasn't a big thing.

Again, Meghan seems to be taking the fall for Harry's decision.

 

[AxelAnnie]

What makes people in this thread so sure Meghan is lying? Do you know them personally? I'm seriously asking, because you're very confident in your insistence that she just couldn't possibly be telling the truth. And why is Harry's verson the same as hers? Is she controlling him?

The versions are the same because they believe it. Two people saying the same thing does not make that thing true.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Hugs. There is no excuse for not getting her when she was suicidal.

I am really happy they got out.

I just wish they would stay out.

 

[AxelAnnie]

I think the interview is unnecessary. This is Harry’s family. There are also multiple sides to every story.

The security issue for Archie is ridiculous because security had been barred down for everyone well before Archie. And they were parring down the titles.

I don’t agree with airing family issues in the press. It’s not necessary. You say you want privacy well part of privacy is not dumping on your family in the press. It’s wrong.

But it does keep them in the spotlight.
At the time of Archie's birth H&M eschewed a title for Archie as they wanted him to have a normal life.

 

[Karen-W]

Ok a lot to unpack here. I can't help but feel that once again, the woman is taking the fall for the man.

Harry in his short time drops some huge bombs -- he and Charles are completely estranged, not even on speaking terms anymore. But Harry seems sort of willing to push the narrative that he wanted to "get out" because of Meghan. Which -- honestly, the misogyny of these narratives is annoying. The relationship with Charles didn't get so shitty overnight. I suspect it's 35+ years of Charles not really being the father he needed to be for a son who was sensitive and emotional.

The "feud" between Kate and Meghan sounds like a huge nothingburger -- they exchanged words before a wedding. A stressful time, and Kate just had a baby. But Meghan clarifies it wasn't a big thing.

Again, Meghan seems to be taking the fall for Harry's decision.

I want to be clear, I have always felt like Meghan was the catalyst for Harry getting out but that he was actively involved in the decision. I don't think he was manipulated as if she was some Svengali or Rasputin. I do think that she figured out how they could exit and support themselves; but I also think he very much thought that they would not be cut off completely. And, honestly, they probably wouldn't have been cut off completely if they weren't running to the media to defend themselves all the time. It's like "okay, leave, but stick to the "never complain, never explain" mantra and you'll have your financial support." They didn't play that way and they got cut off and Harry can't quite believe that his dad actually held fast to the threat to withdraw all funding.

 

[becca]

Reading some other comments elsewhere - it sounds like Harry has clarified that the question about skin color/tone was asked very early on in the dating relationship, not when Meghan was pregnant. It's still highly offensive but...

To answer:

If Harry is giving us a different context for the "skin tone" conversation than the one Meghan presented earlier in the interview, shouldn't that call into question everything else she has stated, how she is framing her responses to the interviewer?

And while it’s offensive they might also have not meant it as a don’t marry her.

Ok a lot to unpack here. I can't help but feel that once again, the woman is taking the fall for the man.

Harry in his short time drops some huge bombs -- he and Charles are completely estranged, not even on speaking terms anymore. But Harry seems sort of willing to push the narrative that he wanted to "get out" because of Meghan. Which -- honestly, the misogyny of these narratives is annoying. The relationship with Charles didn't get so shitty overnight. I suspect it's 35+ years of Charles not really being the father he needed to be for a son who was sensitive and emotional.

The "feud" between Kate and Meghan sounds like a huge nothingburger -- they exchanged words before a wedding. A stressful time, and Kate just had a baby. But Meghan clarifies it wasn't a big thing.

Again, Meghan seems to be taking the fall for Harry's decision.

They didn’t need to have this interview at all. Once again I am sure the royal family are not perfect but what is the point of airing this out in public what benefit. They left and if they wanted out why care about the title and do they know how much security would cost with them living in California.

And the comparisons to Kate. She isn’t Kate. Kate’s going to be queen.

 

[Badams]

The versions are the same because they believe it. Two people saying the same thing does not make that thing true.

And just because you don't believe them, it doesn't make it untrue. I just don't understand how some here can speak so confidently like they know everything about it. This is a figure skating board. Nobody here is privy to the way the royal family really is.

 

[canbelto]

I want to be clear, I have always felt like Meghan was the catalyst for Harry getting out but that he was actively involved in the decision. I don't think he was manipulated as if she was some Svengali or Rasputin. I do think that she figured out how they could exit and support themselves; but I also think he very much thought that they would not be cut off completely. And, honestly, they probably wouldn't have been cut off completely if they weren't running to the media to defend themselves all the time. It's like "okay, leave, but stick to the "never complain, never explain" mantra and you'll have your financial support." They didn't play that way and they got cut off and Harry can't quite believe that his dad actually held fast to the threat to withdraw all funding.

I definitely feel like Meghan is more savvy on how to actually put bread and butter on the table. Harry grew up where money was never an issue. But again, I think inking the Netflix and Spotify deals are actually her work.

One thing I actually think was a good idea on the part of the Firm was for Meghan to continue acting. The depression women feel marrying into the BRF is a real thing, and maybe they felt that her taking some acting gigs on the side would give her day to day life more meaning. Honestly, it wasn't a bad idea. I've seen outtakes on Meghan at Suits and it seems like she really enjoyed acting.

 

[AxelAnnie]

This from the LA times explained the business of Dukes Duchesses an Queens and such.

No one slighted anyone. The rules is the rules. They may be convoluted but they is the rules.

 

[canbelto]

The chickens are like a good idea. I wonder why more people don;t have chickens in their backyard for eggs.

 

[becca]

And just because you don't believe them, it doesn't make it untrue. I just don't understand how some here can speak so confidently like they know everything about it. This is a figure skating board. Nobody here is privy to the way the royal family really is.

No we aren’t and I don’t know what really went down. But I also know that Harry and Meghan are choosing to air their private family business.

As for his Dad cutting him off. Harry chose to leave the family business. He is 36. And Charles knows he inherited millions from his mother.

Harry doesn’t get it both ways the life and fun of a Prince but not the obligations. I don’t blame Charles one bit.

 

[Karen-W]

I definitely feel like Meghan is more savvy on how to actually put bread and butter on the table. Harry grew up where money was never an issue. But again, I think inking the Netflix and Spotify deals are actually her work.

One thing I actually think was a good idea on the part of the Firm was for Meghan to continue acting. The depression women feel marrying into the BRF is a real thing, and maybe they felt that her taking some acting gigs on the side would give her day to day life more meaning. Honestly, it wasn't a bad idea. I've seen outtakes on Meghan at Suits and it seems like she really enjoyed acting.

Like I said last week, on the IQ scale, Meghan is, IMO, clearly the smarter of the two. Harry has never had to worry about anything in his life and, I suspect, gotten his way in most everything.

I go back to some of the conversations that I read when the joint Royal Foundation (originally William & Harry, then the Cambridges & Harry, and finally the Cambridges & Sussexes) broke up and we first really started getting hints of a rift between Harry and some members of the royal family, some folks recalled that Diana had always insisted that Harry be treated equally to William growing up, to the point where it maybe never really sank in with him that, when they were adults and married with kids, he was never ever going to be equal to William or have everything that William has. I think he really expected that he and Meghan would be on equal footing to the Cambridges and it has made him excessively bitter that, no, that's really not the case and never was going to be the case, no matter how much Diana insisted that they be treated the same as children.

I agree, maybe Meghan should have continued to act after she moved to the UK or even after the wedding instead of jumping full throttle into royal duties. I suspect it would have reinforced the truth that Harry didn't want to accept - that they were always going to be second fiddle, at best, to the Cambridges.

 

[canbelto]

One thing about Charles is that he grew up with very distant, cold parents. That was the "style" of parenting in aristocratic classes back then. It's not surprising that he wasn't able to be the father he needed to be to William and Harry.

 

[wickedwitch]

I don't think BP owes Meghan and Harry any money. But they did owe them decency and respect, which they clearly didn't get. And the latter is far more important.