Josh Duggar ('19 Kids and Counting') Arrested by Feds

[Prancer]

@ErikWilliam my concern with the forgiveness is that, in their religious practice, it seems to be the responsibility of the girl/woman who was abused to fix the situation by offering forgiveness - not the responsibility of the abuser to change their ways.

Eh? The abuser has to confess, repent and try to mend his ways. That's what repentance is all about--not just being sorry but changing your sinful ways. Didn't the Duggars send Josh to some sort of camp for "treatment?" Not the way most of us would do it, maybe, but also not just victim blaming.

All Christians are supposed to repent their sins. But even if you don't think that this is the case, the Duggars are highly image conscious and well aware that Christians are supposed to serve as a light to the world (that was their whole rationale for their show, IIRC). If you as a Christian are a sinner and you aren't doing what you can to change, you are a stumbling block, which is a sin all its own.

This is not to say that such groups don't try to hide pedophiles and sexual abusers; that's part of the whole image issue. But in terms of belief, yes, the abusers are expected to change their ways in this belief system.

As bizarre as you might find the Duggars' beliefs, I don't think they quite stretch to expecting Josh to go his merry molesting way as he pleases.

 

[overedge]

@Prancer from what I've read about the Duggars, the main responsibility for absolving the sin falls on the victims to forgive. If that doesn't happen, then the sin is not resolved, and that puts a lot of pressure on the victims to express forgiveness even when the sinner has not adequately addressed their own behaviour.

And while I clearly don't agree with the Duggars' beliefs, I have never used the word "bizarre" to describe those beliefs, and I'd prefer not to have my perspective characterized with that terminology.

 

[quartz]

OMG, @quartz, your story (with the teacher/your dad the principal affair part above and now this deafness issue) is amazing. I hope you are proud of yourself for turning out so well.

Not proud, as I don’t think I’ve turned out that well, but thank you.
My childhood was effectively over by the age of nine, I was basically raising myself by twelve - there were zero caring/nurturing adults looking out for me. My ability to see through the hypocrisy and bullshit was pretty well developed by this stage (even if I wouldn’t have been able to express it, I just knew it in my gut) and I knew I’d be leaving the church as soon as I was able. Revoked my membership as soon as I turned 18 and got called in front of the Elders - they expressed no interest in my well-being or the state of my soul - all they wanted to know was if my tithes were paid in full. Good fcuking riddance to them all.


eta....I won’t post anymore of my crap here - but if anyone wants to ask or say anything about my experiences, feel free to message me.

 

[Prancer]

@Prancer from what I've read about the Duggars, the main responsibility for absolving the sin falls on the victims to forgive.

And what were your sources on this? Perhaps you could share them so I could be educated about fundamentalist Christian religious practice.

And while I clearly don't agree with the Duggars' beliefs, I have never used the word "bizarre" to describe those beliefs, and I'd prefer not to have my perspective characterized with that terminology.

I will absolutely lose sleep over this.

 

[Wyliefan]

In theory, @Prancer is absolutely right. That's the way it's supposed to be. In practice, unfortunately, there are quite a few individuals and groups who mess up their theology and blame the victim.

 

[Prancer]

In theory, @Prancer is absolutely right. That's the way it's supposed to be. In practice, unfortunately, there are quite a few individuals and groups who mess up their theology and blame the victim.

Of course people are imperfect and don't live up to their own standards. The Duggars are hardly unusual in that.

But what overedge said was "in their religious practice, it seems to be the responsibility of the girl/woman who was abused to fix the situation by offering forgiveness - not the responsibility of the abuser to change their ways."

I am not doubting the victim blaming; it's that the abuser is not expected to change his ways that I find bizarre.

 

[Artistic Skaters]

My interest in the Duggar case is what the "zealous defense" will be that his attorney has assured the press will be forthcoming. When law enforcement searched his house, articles indicate JD is quoted as asking if they came there because "someone" has been downloading child pornography. Even with the search and photographs recovered at his office, it sounds like he's planning to try and weasel out of it with a someone used him and his computer defense. Which "someone" will they claim did it if not JD? Maybe Anna and the 11 year old better watch their step.

 

[ilovepaydays]

In theory, @Prancer is absolutely right. That's the way it's supposed to be. In practice, unfortunately, there are quite a few individuals and groups who mess up their theology and blame the victim.

Or they think that forgiveness means that you must continue your relationship with the person/people who wronged you. Forgiveness doesn’t necessarily = reconciliation (especially the way they define it).

I’ve had some horrible things done to me by people and while I’ve decided to forgive them (mainly for my own mental health), no way would I ever be friends or have any other type of interpersonal relationship with them again. And I would give advice of caution about them to others.

It’s like the Duggars have never comprehended what wisdom really is. Not even from the traditional reading of, you know, the Bible.

 

[cygnus]

And what were your sources on this? Perhaps you could share them so I could be educated about fundamentalist Christian religious practice.


I will absolutely lose sleep over this.

This is from a website that discussed the IBLP teaching of Bill Godhardt that the Duggars follow, which is extreme even for fundamentalists. It's fascinating, but disturbing reading. If you scroll down a bit you will see the pages on Counseling Sexual Abuse. (Note the title of #6) https://www.recoveringgrace.org/201...-iblp-literature-on-sexual-assault-and-abuse/

 

[taf2002]

This is from a website that discussed the IBLP teaching of Bill Godhardt that the Duggars follow, which is extreme even for fundamentalists. It's fascinating, but disturbing reading. If you scroll down a bit you will see the pages on Counseling Sexual Abuse. (Note the title of #6) https://www.recoveringgrace.org/201...-iblp-literature-on-sexual-assault-and-abuse/

I read part of that. The most disgusting thing (to me) was the title "There is no Victim".

 

[Wyliefan]

As you might expect from a man who taught that, Gothard ended up getting hit with multiple claims of sexual harassment and assault.

 

[Artistic Skaters]

This is from a website that discussed the IBLP teaching of Bill Godhardt that the Duggars follow, which is extreme even for fundamentalists. It's fascinating, but disturbing reading. If you scroll down a bit you will see the pages on Counseling Sexual Abuse. (Note the title of #6) https://www.recoveringgrace.org/201...-iblp-literature-on-sexual-assault-and-abuse/

"If the abused is not at fault ..."

These slimy people make me sick.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

TLC Finally Ends Relationship With Duggar Family After Josh Duggar Arrest​

TLC Finally Ends Relationship With Duggar Family After Josh Duggar Arrest

The network says it won't produce more seasons of the "19 Kids and Counting" spinoff, "Counting On," to give the family time to "address their situation privately."

www.huffpost.com

Just an update on "America's Family". It took far too long for TLC rid themselves of this disgusting brood. I used to watch TLC when I felt like I was learning about productive things. Not how to hoodwink an entire country with fake christian family values.

 

[Wyliefan]

Finally.

 

[overedge]

Good for Jinger for saying publicly that she agrees with the decision to cancel the show.

 

[skatfan]

Good for Jinger for saying publicly that she agrees with the decision to cancel the show.

According to the Sun the Duggars really thought TLC would continue with the show and are now out $850k (!) a year. Those legal bills are going to bite and I bet Jim Bob’s children flee him now that he can’t control them with money.

Duggar family 'losing $850k a year' after Counting On axed over Josh's arrest

THE Duggar family are “losing out on more than $850k a year” after Counting On was canceled over Josh’s child pornography arrest. The Sun exclusively revealed last week that their…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Artistic Skaters]

I hope his trial actually takes place in October and they don't continue to drag it out with more extensions. Who knows what else he could get into while he's awaiting trial.

 

[skatfan]

I hope his trial actually takes place in October and they don't continue to drag it out with more extensions. Who knows what else he could get into while he's awaiting trial.

Given the show cancellation, it’s not going to get dragged out because lawyer fees (apparently 3 of them) are going to bite badly.

 

[taf2002]

According to the Sun the Duggars really thought TLC would continue with the show and are now out $850k (!) a year. Those legal bills are going to bite and I bet Jim Bob’s children flee him now that he can’t control them with money.

Duggar family 'losing $850k a year' after Counting On axed over Josh's arrest

THE Duggar family are “losing out on more than $850k a year” after Counting On was canceled over Josh’s child pornography arrest. The Sun exclusively revealed last week that their…

www.thesun.co.uk

Any reality "star" who thinks the gravy train is going to roll on forever is more of an idiot than even I think the Duggars are. They should have been squirreling away for the day the shows shopped.

 

[VGThuy]

Any reality "star" who thinks the gravy train is going to roll on forever is more of an idiot than even I think the Duggars are. They should have been squirreling away for the day the shows shopped.

That reminds me of an episode of 30 Rock where Jack asks Liz Lemon what kinds of assets and savings she had. She just shrugged and replied with "I have about $8,000 in my banking account" and he was aghast. He was like "Good God, Lemon! How long do you think this show is going to last?" and she goes, "uh...twenty more years?" and he was like two years tops.

 

[once_upon]

Yes, same with high paid sports "stars". The money only lasts until the first serious injury or a younger better player comes along. Some like Andrew Luck, who reportedly invested wisely, or the Manning, who are able to capitalize on popularity, can make it work post career.

We have a friend whose son was a kicker- his parents were very frugal, im fairly certain he invested wisely.

But unless you plan for when the cash cow ends you are SOL.

 

[Yehudi]

I remember looking up what some of the first Survivor, Big Brother, Real World and other early reality TV stars were up to and most of them went back to their original jobs or other lower profile careers. I think Sandra Diaz Twine still works as an office admin, while, at the height of their notoriety, Kate Gosselin, mentioned making sure she was up to date on her nursing license in case the cash cow ran out.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

Josh Duggar's pregnant wife will 'stick by him no matter what' as he faces child porn charges: Source says Anna will never leave her scandal-ridden husband because she 'wasn't raised' to believe in divorce

Josh Duggar's wife Anna will 'stick by him no matter what'

Josh Duggar, 33, was indicted on two child pornography charges. His wife of 12 years has no intentions of leaving, with a family friend saying divorce would be 'a last, last resort.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Excerpt: "She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration,' the source said. 'She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he's done anything wrong.' "

This just makes me so sad. I can't imagine how Anna's siblings are coping. Sometimes you might just have to walk away from a family member like this. Because when it comes out that he was molesting his own daughters the only conclusion will be that Anna enabled her children's sexual abuse and was a co-criminal with her husband. Awful.

 

[annie720]

Josh Duggar's pregnant wife will 'stick by him no matter what' as he faces child porn charges: Source says Anna will never leave her scandal-ridden husband because she 'wasn't raised' to believe in divorce

Josh Duggar's wife Anna will 'stick by him no matter what'

Josh Duggar, 33, was indicted on two child pornography charges. His wife of 12 years has no intentions of leaving, with a family friend saying divorce would be 'a last, last resort.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Excerpt: "She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration,' the source said. 'She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he's done anything wrong.' "

This just makes me so sad. I can't imagine how Anna's siblings are coping. Sometimes you might just have to walk away from a family member like this. Because when it comes out that he was molesting his own daughters the only conclusion will be that Anna enabled her children's sexual abuse and was a co-criminal with her husband. Awful.

It’s Biden’s fault? OMG.

 

[once_upon]

I hope that CPS can really monitor and intervene

 

[skatesindreams]

It’s Biden’s fault? OMG.

Aslnlne

 

[Artistic Skaters]

According to that article, the raid took place in 2019 and that's when they found the materials. Donald Trump was in office at that time, so not sure why anyone would attribute it to Biden, or even Trump. It says the authorities had to track down who the computer actually belonged to after the download of the information.

Maybe it's time for them to add Rudy Giuliani to the legal team if this is the defense they plan to pursue.

If the county interviews his wife regarding these (third party unattributed) comments and find out there's anything to them, hopefully they would add arrangements to protect the children with an independent monitor (completely unaffiliated with anyone Duggar) for visitations.

Every time there's an update in the news about JD, it feels like it's time for shower to wash away the filth you just read.

 

[taf2002]

Because when it comes out that he was molesting his own daughters the only conclusion will be that Anna enabled her children's sexual abuse and was a co-criminal with her husband. Awful.

That is not part of the case. There is no evidence so far that he molested his own children. Of course, maybe he did but we don't know that. You should have said if not when.

 

[ЭPiKUilyam]

That is not part of the case. There is no evidence so far that he molested his own children. Of course, maybe he did but we don't know that. You should have said if not when.

I probably should have said "if", but if you saw the clip of the 18 month old being sexually abused that was found on Josh's computer, you'd see there is a very disturbed mind behind Josh. And molesting his daughters is not far of a reach, really at all. Considering he's already crossed the line sexually with other family members. And it's not like anyone could say "How could you even accuse this man of probably molesting his kids when there is no evidence?" What more evidence is needed before action is taken? I would much rather be proved wrong in this case, but I can't ignore my senses. I seriously hope someone can get through to Anna and have her de-programmed/brainwashed. Or take the kids away from her.

 

[Vagabond]

According to that article, the raid took place in 2019 and that's when they found the materials. Donald Trump was in office at that time, so not sure why anyone would attribute it to Biden, or even Trump.

Anna Duggar is not very much different from other poorly educated, culturally insular people across the United States and particularly in small towns. That is often how they think.

And, when you get right down to it, Anna Duggar is not very much different from other poorly educated, culturally insular around the world.