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[Samurina]

The Women's spot... ??? Seems like it's between Gutmann, Negrello, Joos, and Pezzetta?

I would chose Gutmann and Joos and leave JWC for Pezzetta until she can establish consistency

 

[Karen-W]

They released the usual document with the selection criteria* this summer.
However, said document indicates that the selection for Euros takes place at the end of Nationals....but then Nationals were scheduled after the entry deadline (well, they can technically enter some names and then change them next week using the named subs).

*
The ranking is calculated by adding the total score (including choreo sequence and step sequences) of the Italian Championships with:
- 2 highest total scores obtained in ISU calendar competitions and in national and international interclub competitions of the FISG calendar deliberated by the Federal Council (multiplied by 0.9 or by 1 as specified in point 2** of the end of season ranking calculation) for European Championships and YOUNG OLYMPICS (YOG).

**
1. The ranking is calculated by summing the total score of the Italian Championships with the three highest total scores from among those obtained in competitions on the ISU calendar and in national and international interclub competitions on the FISG calendar decided by the Federal Council.
2. The Total Score, after selecting the competitions as per point 1, is multiplied by 0.9.
The Total Score of the best of the Italian Championships Series, ISU Events, Challenger Circuit events, Olympic Games, YOGs, EYOFs, World Team Trophy and World University Games is counted at 100% and so multiplied by 1.
3. In the individual Senior category, the step sequence score is subtracted from the total score and then multiplied as indicated above.
...
If there is between 20 points in the ranking between two contenders, selection committee can select whoever they prefer among those in contention.

If I select the top 3 scores (so a third international competition instead of Nationals) for each I would get
Gutmann 168.63 (GP) + 165.73 (GP) + 194.28 (domestic competition in Padova)=528.64 -13.55 from step sequences=515.09
Joos 179.4 (Golden Spin) +163.71 (181.9 from Tallin Trophy multiplied by 0.9) + 182.93 (domestic competition in Torino)=526.04 - 13.84 from StSq=512.2
Pezzetta 179.59 (Warsaw Cup) +163.62 (Finlandia Trophy) + 165.54 (domestic competition in Padova)=508.75-11.17 from StSq=497.58
Negrello is much behind. She has 169.72 from domestic competition in Padova, 165.58 from domestic competition in Torino (must be multiplied by 0.9 as the only top domestic competition is counted fully) + 137.5 from Nice Trophy (152.78 multiplied by 0.9).

If I select top 2 scores, I would get
Gutmann 168.63 (GP) + 194.28 (domestic competition in Padova)=362.91 -8.98 from step sequences=353.93
Joos 179.4 (Golden Spin) + 182.93 (domestic competition in Torino)=362.33- 9.93 from StSq=353.3
Pezzetta 179.59 (Warsaw Cup) + 165.54 (domestic competition in Padova)=345.13-7.59 from StSq=337.54
Negrello 318.7 - 7.27 from StSq=311.4

Italy have women 2 spots for Euros

Ahhhh, good to know! I didn't realize Italy has 2 spots for Euros. It does seem like Gutmann & Joos are the strongest choices but that Pezzetta could nab one of the spots if she blows them both away at Nationals.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Euros entries are due tomorrow - am curious what the criteria for Italy is, especially since Nationals isn't until next week. Italy has 3 spots in Men, Pairs & Dance, 1 spot in Women.

The Men, Pairs & Dance selections seem rather obvious - Rizzo, Frangipani, Memola; Conti/Macii, Ghilardi/Ambrosini, Beccari/Guarise; and Guignard/Fabbri, Manni/Roethlisberger, Dozzi/Papetti.

The Women's spot... ??? Seems like it's between Gutmann, Negrello, Joos, and Pezzetta?

I think should just go for it, and give it to Sarina

 

[Andrea82]

Ahhhh, good to know! I didn't realize Italy has 2 spots for Euros. It does seem like Gutmann & Joos are the strongest choices but that Pezzetta could nab one of the spots if she blows them both away at Nationals.

Indeed. Provisional entry list on ISU website is Joos and Gutmann with Pezzetta and Piredda as subs.

Rest as expected.
Rizzo, Frangipani, Memola. Sub: Zich
Conti/Macii, Ghilardi/Ambrosini, Beccari/Guarise. Subs: Valesi/Piazza, Çaldara/Maglio
Guignard/Fabbri, Manni/Roethliesberger, Dozzi/Papetti. Subs: Galimberti/Mandelli

 

[Karen-W]

Conti/Macii are out of Italian Nats -

Sara Conti on Instagram: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni. Una brutta influenza mi ha tenuto ferma nel letto per 4 giorni e ad oggi ci vorrà un

843 likes, 30 comments - saraconti_00 on December 20, 2023: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni...."

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She had had the flu for the past 4 days.

 

[Hedwig]

Conti/Macii are out of Italian Nats -

Sara Conti on Instagram: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni. Una brutta influenza mi ha tenuto ferma nel letto per 4 giorni e ad oggi ci vorrà un

843 likes, 30 comments - saraconti_00 on December 20, 2023: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni...."

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She had had the flu for the past 4 days.

That sucks but better now than at Euros

 

[Andrea82]

Conti/Macii are out of Italian Nats -

Sara Conti on Instagram: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni. Una brutta influenza mi ha tenuto ferma nel letto per 4 giorni e ad oggi ci vorrà un

843 likes, 30 comments - saraconti_00 on December 20, 2023: "Io e Nik siamo molto tristi di comunicare che non prenderemo parte ai Campionati Italiani che si terranno a Pinerolo nei prossimi giorni...."

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She had had the flu for the past 4 days.

Also listed as WD
Rizzo https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6234/campitassoluti/SEG001.htm
Paolino/Tuba https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6234/campitassoluti/SEG009.htm

 

[Andrea82]

National Ranking for Women is (if I didn't make any typos in inputing the data in excel)
(full score of Nationals + 2 other highest scores*

• GPs, JGPs, Challengers and top domestic competition are counted fully; other international events and other domestic competitions are factored by 0.9
• step sequences from Senior FS are deduced, except for Nationals

1) Sarina Joos 546.08 points
(192.78 from Nationals + 182.93 for Torino domestic competition + 179.4 for Golden Spin - 5.07 and 3.96 for the Step Sequences)
2) Lara Naki Gutmann 537.51
(183.88 from Nationals + 194.28 for Padova domestic competition + 168.33 for GP Finland - 5.07 and 3.91 for Step Sequences)
3) Anna Pezzetta 519.13 points
(181.59 from Nationals + 179.59 for Warsaw Cup + 165.54 for Padova domestic competition - 3.96 and 3.63 for Step Sequences)
4) Marina Piredda 484.134 points
(181.53 from Nationals + 155.889 for Edusport + 154.99 for Padova domestic competition - 4.81 and 3.465 for Step Sequences) * EduSport scores is multiplied by 0.9
5) Ginevra Lavinia Negrello 482.969 points
(170.39 from Nationals + 169.72 for Padova domestic competition +149.022 for Torino domestic competition - 4.18 and 1.98 for Step Sequences) * Torino score is multiplied by 0.9
6) Amanda Ghezzo 446.38 points
(154.7 from Nationals + 149.19 for Padova domestic competition + 146.34 for Bangkok JGP - 3.85 for Step Sequences)
7) Chiara Minighini 430.863 points
(163.57 from Nationals + 137.45 for JGP Budapest + 129.83 for Skate Celje) * Skate Celje score is multiplied by 0.9

 

[Wyliefan]

"Matteo Rizzo on Italian TV (RAI) said doctors advised him to either undergo surgery or retire. He will undergo surgery after Euros and will have to be off ice for 5 full months, no jumps for 6/7 months. He won’t be able to jump 4Lo at this Euros. #EuroFigure"

https://twitter.com/Eleonorad/status/1745140684149887164

 

[Andrea82]

"Matteo Rizzo on Italian TV (RAI) said doctors advised him to either undergo surgery or retire. He will undergo surgery after Euros and will have to be off ice for 5 full months, no jumps for 6/7 months. He won’t be able to jump 4Lo at this Euros. #EuroFigure"

https://twitter.com/Eleonorad/status/1745140684149887164

I wonder what is the point of competing at Europeans.

 

[Karen-W]

I wonder what is the point of competing at Europeans.

That was my thought too. Unless they couldn't schedule the surgery until this week or next why delay it and compete?

 

[airgelaal]

I wonder what is the point of competing at Europeans.

Maybe team spots and ranking

 

[Rhumba d’Amour]

I wonder what is the point of competing at Europeans.

Maybe he feels that he will at least have another chance to shine at Euros, if it turns out to be his last competition?

And in fact, he didn’t skate badly today.

 

[Kateri]

His SP wasn't the one he used earlier in the season, it was a shortened version of his Irrepressibles LP from a few years back. I have no idea if this is related, it's just an observation.

(But maybe if he did think it might be his last comp, he wanted to bring back one of his favourite/most successful programmes a lil bit? Or... maybe the previous music title, "Last Dance", felt too on-the-nose/prophetic to bear?)

 

[miffy]

@Andrea82 please can you tell us what the criteria is for which pairs will go to Worlds? I’ve looked through the thread and can’t see it, but you seemed to be very knowledgeable on the Euros criteria

 

[Andrea82]

@Andrea82 please can you tell us what the criteria is for which pairs will go to Worlds? I’ve looked through the thread and can’t see it, but you seemed to be very knowledgeable on the Euros criteria

The FISG document says
*Nationals +3 best other competitions
*One of the 3 competitions must have taken place after Nationals
*Scores from ISU events and Challenger Series count fully
*Scores from other international competitions are multiplied by 0.9
*Top score from domestic national championship series is counted fully. Other domestic scores are factored by 0.9
*If you skip Nationals, you can use a 4th score, multiplied by 1.0 or 0.9 as above.
*if there are less than 20 points between two pairs in the ranking, selection committee can pick up regardless of who is ahead

https://static.fisg.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/28104902/ARTISTICO-Allegato-1-a-Regolamento-23-24-CF-147-28072023.pdf

https://static.fisg.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/28104911/ARTISTICO-Regolamento-23-24-CF-147-28072023.pdf

So, if I've not missed any point, the situation is

Conti/Macii 803.64
187.25 Europeans
205.88 GP Final
200.35 Lombardia Trophy
210.16 domestic competition in Turin

Beccari/Guarise 772.34
191.13 Nationals
199.19 Europeans
191.71 Nebelhorn Trophy
190.31 NHK Trophy

Ghilardi/Ambrosini 768.41
192.88 Nationals
195.68 Europeans
191.00 Cup of China
188.85 GP Final

 

[miffy]

Thank you so much @Andrea82

 

[shah]

So that means that Dracula and his bride will stay at home?

 

[eleonorad]

I wonder what is the point of competing at Europeans.

I have some thoughts on this. He mentioned a hip injury in his IG reel and the need for a hip surgery but he didn't go into details. We know that many of these hip issues can be career-ending injuries and in the best case scenario, the recovery is very long and can be challenging (Carolina, for instance, talked about her own experience in some interviews during lockdown).

Again, we don't know the details (and even if I knew, I am no hip expert!).

I almost don't want to say it out loud but if the injury is very serious, which likely is, there is a chance that the surgery or the recovery doesn't go as planned or he doesn't succeed in getting all of his jumps back and this might be his last ride.

If doctors say it is safe to postpone the surgery by just a few weeks, and there is a chance that things go wrong after the surgery, then I would have done the same. Doctors signed this off so I want to believe this is safe and trust the medical team.

Realistically his medal chances might be significantly smaller since he can't use his 4L as well, and again this is all speculation, but I understand him.

 

[Andrea82]

Obviously, the point of Euros for Rizzo was winning a medal.
I was wondering the reasonings behind because I thought a further competition could have a risked a further damage to the hip.
However, @eleonorad's reasonings above make sense.

 

[Hedwig]

That was a teary eyed moment

 

[sus2850]

In the press conference Rizzo said that the doctors said he could cause no greater damage to himself by skating now as „everything is already broken“. In the mixed zone he mentioned he expected to be able to be back skating after surgery.

 

[Karen-W]

Rizzo's skate was the highlight of the men for me. You could just feel, through the screen, how the audience was with him, rooting for skate. It was so heartwarming.

 

[Wyliefan]

Rizzo's surgery went well!

Matteo Rizzo on Instagram: "Ciao a tutti! Volevo aggiornarvi. L’operazione è andata molto bene❤️ Volevo ringraziare il Dr. Della Rocca e tutto il suo staff❤️ A presto! • • #Figureskating #pattinaggiosughiaccio #pattinaggiodifigura #iceskating #ice #c

6,037 likes, 268 comments - matteorizzoo on January 22, 2024: "Ciao a tutti! Volevo aggiornarvi. L’operazione è andata molto bene❤️ Volevo ringraziare il Dr. Della Rocca e tutto il suo staff❤..."

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[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Rizzo's surgery went well!

Matteo Rizzo on Instagram: "Ciao a tutti! Volevo aggiornarvi. L’operazione è andata molto bene❤️ Volevo ringraziare il Dr. Della Rocca e tutto il suo staff❤️ A presto! • • #Figureskating #pattinaggiosughiaccio #pattinaggiodifigura #iceskating #ice #c

6,037 likes, 268 comments - matteorizzoo on January 22, 2024: "Ciao a tutti! Volevo aggiornarvi. L’operazione è andata molto bene❤️ Volevo ringraziare il Dr. Della Rocca e tutto il suo staff❤..."

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can’t believe it already happened. So he’s not going to worlds, who are the men going to worlds?

 

[Karen-W]

can’t believe it already happened. So he’s not going to worlds, who are the men going to worlds?

Frangipani and Memola

 

[Sk8swan]

can’t believe it already happened. So he’s not going to worlds, who are the men going to worlds?

He's facing a very long recovery 5-6months before he can jump again, so the sooner the better... Now let's hope the rehab goes has planned!

 

[Sk8swan]

Sharing here a few very nice interviews with the new Euro Champs Beccari & Guarise.
GoldenSkate interview in Kaunas
Live interview from Kaunas with Italian Eurosport commentator Ambesi
A drink with... Lucrezia Beccari & Matteo Guarise interview from Bergamo tv channel the day after they got back from Lituania.
I see youtube provides English subtitles, but feel free to ask if there is something you don't understand in the Italian interviews

 

[Sk8swan]

In almost all interviews they talk about how they teamed up and how they became such a good match in a short amount of time, considering their age gap and Lucrezia being new to the discipline. They also talk about what they value about each other, their short and long terms plans.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Is she a current Italian skater? No

Is she in Olympic gold medalist? Sure

Golden Skate Awards 2023 Carolina Kostner "Seven Days Walking"

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So mature on the ice, love it