ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2018/19 season

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Seguin/Bilodeau break-up opens a spot in Finland and France. IdF has a clear favorite now and several (surprise) podium shots.

I think pairs will be the discipline to watch this season.

 

[zebraswan]

There are 2 open spots for CoR men because of Zandron switching countries. I think they should fill them at the same time, otherwise it's not going to be much of a competition. It was already a pretty weak lineup. They are going to honor Denis's memory at the competition in other ways. All skaters work hard and should be given an opportunity to compete if there is one available.

 

[Jeschke]

because of Zandron switching countries.

Did I miss that?
Where is he switching to?

 

[DobrinFan]

Did I miss that?
Where is he switching to?

Austria.

 

[Dobre]

I think Denis would want someone to have the opportunity to skate.


I do think he would love the idea of a foundation or scholarship for young athletes from developing nations. It seemed very important to him.

And I'm sure a moment of silence would be fine, though I have to say that when I think of Denis, I never think of silence. I always think of music. A moment of playing his music--maybe from Mi Mancherai or Caruso or The Silk Road or even something he wrote--would probably be even better.

(My apologies if this conversation is going on in the other thread. I still haven't been able to bring myself to read it. I will just go post this in the other thread if someone wishes to respond because I don't mean to take this thread off track).

 

[SamuraiK]

The D10's vacant spot should be filled. its not like its KAZ who's hosting and its going to be 4 months from now. It may hurt now but life goes on and there are tons of lesser ranked skaters waiting for the opportunities Why keeping them the door shut even though it opened due to tragedy?.

 

[maatTheViking]

I think Denis would want someone to have the opportunity to skate.

I think so too.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Well, Maurizio Zandron (Italy) has been crossed off the list for Rostelecom as of July 25.

I had even asked a question a few weeks ago of who he is.

Wonder what happened..

Denis Ten removed too. Hope they honor him in some way.

 

[SamuraiK]

Well, Maurizio Zandron (Italy) has been crossed off the list for Rostelecom as of July 25.

I had even asked a question a few weeks ago of who he is.

Wonder what happened.....

Denis Ten removed too. Hope they honor him in some way.

Zandron is switching countries to represent AUT so he will have to wait a year to compete internationally again.

Next 10 Men in SB (removing Ten )

Jun-Hwan Cha KOR (SC)
Nam Nguyen CAN (SA)
Kevin Reynolds CAN (NHK)
Brendan Kerry AUS (SC)
Yaroslav Paniot UKR (NHK)
Paul Fentz GER (COR)
Artur Dmitriev Jr. RUS (COR)
Nicolas Nadeau CAN (IdF)
Alexander Johnson USA (NHK)
Ivan Righini ITA (none)

Righini could be now a good choice for COR replacement. The other one probably would be Cha since Hanyu is already going so RUS fed could save in coaches travel costs.

 

[Sylvia]

The other one probably would be Cha since Hanyu is already going so RUS fed could save in coaches travel costs.

IIRC, the GP host federations only pay the travel/accommodation expenses of the skaters, not the coaches.

 

[tony]

Zandron is switching countries to represent AUT so he will have to wait a year to compete internationally again.

Next 10 Men in SB (removing Ten )

Jun-Hwan Cha KOR (SC)
Nam Nguyen CAN (SA)
Kevin Reynolds CAN (NHK)
Brendan Kerry AUS (SC)
Yaroslav Paniot UKR (NHK)
Paul Fentz GER (COR)
Artur Dmitriev Jr. RUS (COR)
Nicolas Nadeau CAN (IdF)
Alexander Johnson USA (NHK)
Ivan Righini ITA (none)

Righini could be now a good choice for COR replacement. The other one probably would be Cha since Hanyu is already going so RUS fed could save in coaches travel costs.

Fentz and Dmitriev aren't options for Russia since they are already there. Reynolds, Paniot, and Johnson compete the week before, and Nadeau the week after-- not that they can't compete two weeks in a row, but I think the ISU really tries to avoid this now. I'd guess Cha and Righini, as well.

 

[rinettoii]

Are we sure Righini isn't going to retire soon? If he is as high on the SB list as he is (#45 and probably higher considering other retirements), wouldn't he have been picked for a GP anyway? So many skaters below him got picked for an event...

 

[SamuraiK]

Are we sure Righini isn't going to retire soon? If he is as high on the SB list as he is (#45 and probably higher considering other retirements), wouldn't he have been picked for a GP anyway? So many skaters below him got picked for an event...

Very valid question. if that's the case then Andrei Lazukin RUS moves into the top 10 list.

 

[tony]

Are we sure Righini isn't going to retire soon? If he is as high on the SB list as he is (#45 and probably higher considering other retirements), wouldn't he have been picked for a GP anyway? So many skaters below him got picked for an event...

I tried to get clues based on his Instagram posts before I wrote my own post because I wasn’t sure. He does have a post saying ‘Greatness is coming soon’ but that could be for anything.

 

[lexeoe]

Fentz and Dmitriev aren't options for Russia since they are already there. Reynolds, Paniot, and Johnson compete the week before, and Nadeau the week after-- not that they can't compete two weeks in a row, but I think the ISU really tries to avoid this now. I'd guess Cha and Righini, as well.

Doesn't SCI still have that TBD Canadian men's spot? it's possible that Nadeau could be given that

 

[tony]

Doesn't SCI still have that TBD Canadian men's spot? it's possible that Nadeau could be given that

Skate Canada, like most other GP host countries, will wait until the last minute to assign their TBA in case of situations like this where the skater might get a second event and then give someone else a spot.

ETA- Nguyen and Reynolds are higher up and not at Skate Canada, either.

 

[Frida80]

No Chinese pairs? I know China doesn't send skaters to every JGP, but isn't it risky not sending pairs to every competition?

 

[rinettoii]

Very valid question. if that's the case then Andrei Lazukin RUS moves into the top 10 list.

I thought the alternate list was the those who already had one GP assignment in order of SB. Furthermore, is this alternate list strict? Can they pick someone else not on it for the purposes of money?

 

[SamuraiK]

I thought the alternate list was the those who already had one GP assignment in order of SB. Furthermore, is this alternate list strict? Can they pick someone else not on it for the purposes of money?

In past seasons some skaters who werent assigned a event in the first go ended up getting 2 due to replacements . (Galustyan from ARM comes to mind) .

The alternate list is supposed to work so you can pick anyone from the top 10 still available in the SB list but in the end it works more as a guideline and hosts sometimes chose whoever they want. As usual, ISU should be more strict with its own rules it but does nothing about it.

 

[believed]

SUI/HAN w/d from Helsinki and NHK

https://twitter.com/okame_hime/status/1023921766526152704?s=21

 

[SamuraiK]

SUI/HAN w/d from Helsinki and NHK

https://twitter.com/okame_hime/status/1023921766526152704?s=21

Yikes

Pairs GP field is going to look really depleted. Even more than it was in the Post-Vancouver season. Well, good chances for the obscure teams to shine.

 

[Sylvia]

SUI/HAN w/d from Helsinki and NHK

ISU GP Pairs page was updated today (July 30) and Sui/Han's names have been crossed out: https://isu.org/docman-documents-li.../17410-pair-skating-2018-19-all-6-events/file

2018/19 Grand Prix General Announcement was published today (16 pages): https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...98-gp-general-announcement-2018-19-final/file

 

[TAHbKA]

Still no update on Esbart/Novoselov GP-entry wise?

Damn, if Marchei/Hotarek were participating the Helsinki event Valentina had a chance to finally win a medal...

 

[Rock2]

Attention, any wannabe teams/singles wanting a first or second GP event. Haul your hiney to the first 'B' event you can get your hands on and post a good score. Something might come of it...

 

[levineismine]

Not unexpected but still a shame. Looking at the bright side, this is the chance for some of the teams around the top 10 last year to seize the opportunity.
Also, I hope to see Barquero/Maestu get finally an assignment!

 

[tony]

With the pairs withdrawals, Ryom/Kim actually have a really great shot at medaling at both of their events and even a chance at making the Final regardless of who the substitutes are.

 

[kwanfan1818]

After a first skim of the 2018-19 GP Announcement,

1. They still haven't defined a Split Couple among the "seeds," but, I don't expect them to at this point
2. They still say that if there are vacancies in the top six or 7-12 (singles), 7-10 (Pairs/Dance) from prior Worlds, skaters move up into those groups and get the guaranteed two spots.
3. There are no longer technical GP minimums for each program, if the skater/team hasn't met the GP total minimum.
4. The minimums changed, based on last year's Worlds scores:

a. Ladies went down by about 6 (133.93)​

b. Men stayed nearly the same (192.84)​

c. Pairs went up by a little over 8 (147.50)​

d. Dance went up by a little over 6 (124.32)​

5. Now that they have sub-groups for the starting order, the rules for tie-breaks in WS are more complicated.

Most of the rest I saw was clean-up: dates and locations changed, the new rules for program lengths added, etc.

For the life of me I can't remember where they document how the rounds are done for the seeded skaters. It used to be 1-3, 3-6, the 7-9 and 10-12 for singles and 7-10 for Pairs/Dance, and that there was a draw/discipline among the hosts, etc.

 

[mag]

4. The minimums changed, based on last year's Worlds scores:
a. Ladies went down by about 6 (133.93)
b. Men stayed nearly the same (192.84)
c. Pairs went up by a little over 8 (147.50)
d. Dance went up by a little over 6 (124.32)

So it is now just a total combined score for the GP, correct? Does anyone know if this is going to be the same for Europen’s, 4CC’s, and World’s, or will those remain as last year with a SP tech and a LP tech score?

 

[kwanfan1818]

So it is now just a total combined score for the GP, correct? Does anyone know if this is going to be the same for Europen’s, 4CC’s, and World’s, or will those remain as last year with a SP tech and a LP tech score?

Yes, for GP since they added minimums, there has always been a total minimum score for each discipline. The formula is 3/5 of the last world champions' total score. A few years into having minimums, they added technical minimums, which were 3/5 of the highest TES among the Top 3 at Worlds for each program. All of the Top 75 singles and Dance would make the total minimums; it was only in Pairs, where there weren't, until recently, even 75 Pairs on the list, and maybe 40-45% of them could make the total minimums, which is probably why they added the GP SP and FS technical minimums. They dropped program technical minimums, this season, likely because with Pairs getting stronger, they no longer need them. These are separate from championship TES minimums.

Championship TES minimums are by individual program, and can be earned in any international competitions; they aren't total minimums, which include PCS, and they aren't restricted to GP, CS, championships, and the Olympics/Youth Olympics. Those scores aren't a formula based on Worlds -- they haven't changed that much since they were required, and they are set, ostensibly, to limit the number of skaters who qualify for championships, to cut down the groups and make it championships shorter and cheaper. They have extended the Pairs FS to 20, and they may not bother to raise the minimums.

 

[Jeschke]

Great news for Hase/Seegert: They got vacant spots of Skate America and Internationaux de France
https://www.sport.de/news/ne3309532/zwei-grand-prix-einladungen-fuer-hase-seegert/

German battle is on, head to head with H/B at SkatAm