ISU Communication No. 2388: Entries/Participation 2022 Olympics in Singles, Pairs & Ice Dance

Stephanie

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So the spots currently in danger of being given back, I believe, are Sweden’s (due to their athlete criteria) and Lithuania’s dance spot (if Allison doesn’t get citizenship). Any others?
Perhaps the Swiss mens spot?

I believe another poster mentioned that if Israel doesn't make the team event (where a top 10 placement is guaranteed) they might not send a man unless Bychenko (or anyone else) meets a certain standard.
 

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Perhaps the Swiss mens spot?
The Swiss sent Paganini in 2018 when she wasn’t nearly as good as she is now (though that was ironically the only season she’s made the free skate at Worlds), so I’d hope they wouldn’t have a problem sending Britschgi.
 

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When my daughter was briefly training in England, there was BOA standards in place they called it the “eddy eagle” rule. Is that still in place for Olympic standards for British athletes?
I wouldn't be familiar with the British Olympic Association's standards, but wouldn't be surprised if there was a medal winning focus given the obscene amount of money being poured into Olympic sports there.
 

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The Swiss sent Paganini in 2018 when she wasn’t nearly as good as she is now (though that was ironically the only season she’s made the free skate at Worlds), so I’d hope they wouldn’t have a problem sending Britschgi.
I really hope you're right. That being said, Paganini was only 16 at the time (so future hope, etc.) and managed to finished 7th at Euros that year, whereas Britschgi will be 23/24. IIRC the Swiss Olympic Committee has required certain standards to be met in the past, but hopefully Lukas (or another Swiss skater) will meet them (if applied).
 

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I really hope you're right. That being said, Paganini was only 16 at the time (so future hope, etc.) and managed to finished 7th at Euros that year, whereas Britschgi will be 23/24. IIRC the Swiss Olympic Committee has required certain standards to be met in the past, but hopefully Lukas (or another Swiss skater) will meet them (if applied).
SIS has taken to playing favourites in a fairly obvious manner over the past few years, but fortunately for Britschgi he's the current favourite. He's got a stable quad now and they just made a big fuss about him getting the highest placement at Worlds since Lambiel, so it will take a lot for Todeschini to replace him. If the current Designated Golden Girl is age-eligible for the Olympics, though, Paganini is going to find herself with a serious fight on her hands for any spot Switzerland manages to gain at Nebelhorn in Ladies.
 

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The Swedish Olympic Committee’s priority is medal potential or future medal potential. They are paying for the athletes to go to the Olympics and if they feel that the athletes are not a good investment that’s their priority. It goes against Olympic values, but it makes complete sense.
Isn't this exactly what Israel did to Tamar Katz? They had the spot and refused to send her.
 

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Isn't this exactly what Israel did to Tamar Katz? They had the spot and refused to send her.
Yes. The skating federations can nominate to their respective national Olympic committees, but the final decision to choose is down to the NOCs.
 

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Pairs, due to the difference in the cuts between Worlds and the Olympics, ends up being the discipline where the most is up for grabs in the free program at a pre-Olympic Worlds now. If the pre-2018 rules were still in place for the cut at Worlds, Georgia would have qualified a spot while Hungary would not have.
 

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Hmmm...perhaps with this new process, the ISU could expand the number of countries eligible to try for that 2nd or 3rd spot. The ultimate number of spots wouldn't change of course, but the competition for them could. Hopefully they are looking at this.
 

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Hmmm...perhaps with this new process, the ISU could expand the number of countries eligible to try for that 2nd or 3rd spot. The ultimate number of spots wouldn't change of course, but the competition for them could. Hopefully they are looking at this.
No, don't think that idea is good. Then the same thing that most people don't want is going to happen: the additional spots will surely all go to powerhouse countries rather than just a few of those countries having the opportunity.
 

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... If the current Designated Golden Girl is age-eligible for the Olympics, though, Paganini is going to find herself with a serious fight on her hands for any spot Switzerland manages to gain at Nebelhorn in Ladies.
If you mean Kimmy Repond, she won't turn 15 until October according to her profile here: https://www.sporthilfe.ch/de/Wem-helfen-Sie/Athletenportraits/Portrait.html?athleteId=20240
I expect to see a very determined Paganini at Nebelhorn Trophy.
 

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Michael Christian Martinez has started his comeback for the Philippines (currently training in New Jersey) and, last I heard, Christopher Caluza plans for next season to be his last. If Edrian Paul Celestino is still training in Montreal, it'll be interesting to see who shows up at Nebelhorn Trophy to try and get an Olympic men's berth for PHI.
Michael Martinez sounds optimistic in this April 14th Philstar article that he will compete at Nebelhorn Trophy:
Martinez’ training team is composed of [Nikolai] Morozov as head coach and choreographer, technical coach Roman Serov and strength and conditioning trainers Viktoriya Ryabchikova and Sergey Lebedev. His main training rink is the Montclair State University Ice Arena.
He also appeared on CNN Philippines' New Day show (includes clips of him practicing in New Jersey):
 

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That’s not a given. She qualified a spot for the Czech Republic and not herself. The Czech Figure Skating federation could nominate someone else for the spot.
The decision was made who is grabbing the spot is flying to Beijing. So Eliska is save (as well as Michal and Liza with Martin once she is saving her Czech passport). The only criterium is they have to fill in the Oly (aka EC) TES mins during the 21/22 season, which is nothing unbeatable for all of them. Honestly, there is no other Czech lady to beat Eliska. And if Slavicek is finally released from USFSA and starting to skate for Czech Republic, even she is having Czech passport being Czech she is not able to fly to Beijing as she was taking part in Bavarian Open 2020 and is out of 2022 Olympics (within 3 years of no country hop Olympic rule which is different to ISU rules).
 

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The decision was made who is grabbing the spot is flying to Beijing. So Eliska is save (as well as Michal and Liza with Martin once she is saving her Czech passport). The only criterium is they have to fill in the Oly (aka EC) TES mins during the 21/22 season, which is nothing unbeatable for all of them. Honestly, there is no other Czech lady to beat Eliska. And if Slavicek is finally released from USFSA and starting to skate for Czech Republic, even she is having Czech passport being Czech she is not able to fly to Beijing as she was taking part in Bavarian Open 2020 and is out of 2022 Olympics (within 3 years of no country hop Olympic rule which is different to ISU rules).
That’s good to hear that brother and sister will get to go together to the Olympics at last! :)
 

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The decision was made who is grabbing the spot is flying to Beijing. So Eliska is save (as well as Michal and Liza with Martin once she is saving her Czech passport). The only criterium is they have to fill in the Oly (aka EC) TES mins during the 21/22 season, which is nothing unbeatable for all of them. Honestly, there is no other Czech lady to beat Eliska. And if Slavicek is finally released from USFSA and starting to skate for Czech Republic, even she is having Czech passport being Czech she is not able to fly to Beijing as she was taking part in Bavarian Open 2020 and is out of 2022 Olympics (within 3 years of no country hop Olympic rule which is different to ISU rules).
You can get that lifted though, as long as both countries agree. Olivia Smart and Kirill Khaliavin were both eligible for the 2018 Olympics for Spain and they had both competed for other countries within 3 years. Olivia competed at Worlds 2015 for the UK (late March 2015) and Kirill did two competitions for Russia in October 2015.

Sounds like it doesn't matter here of course, since the spots are promised to those who won them.
 

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Michael Christian Martinez has started his comeback for the Philippines (currently training in New Jersey) and, last I heard, Christopher Caluza plans for next season to be his last. If Edrian Paul Celestino is still training in Montreal, it'll be interesting to see who shows up at Nebelhorn Trophy to try and get an Olympic men's berth for PHI.
Michael Martinez sounds optimistic in this April 14th Philstar article that he will compete at Nebelhorn Trophy:
Article on Caluza and Celestino and the PHI federation's challenge to "create a system so they can choose fairly who to send to the Nebelhorn Trophy" (April 23):
So now, we have Christopher, Edrian, and Michael all working towards that goal of securing a spot at the Olympics. Not all three of them will have that opportunity. Who will get the chance to represent the Philippines and do that?
We talk to Philippine Figure Skating Union (PHSU) president Nikki Cheng, to understand who will have that shot at the 2022 Winter Olympics. “The Nebelhorn Trophy is one of two Olympic qualifying competitions—and it is the last. We can only send one representative each for male and female in this competition to secure a slot for the Philippines,” explains Nikki.
However, each country can only send one skater to the Nebelhorn Trophy to skate for that chance at the Olympics. And in the case of the Philippines, since we were not able to hold our National Championships because of the *********, we’re left with three skaters who are all equally talented and qualified to try and fight for that Olympic slot.
Now, it is up to the PHSU to create a system so they can choose fairly who to send to the Nebelhorn Trophy. Nikki says that they’re currently polishing and finalizing this system and will be cascaded soon to the athletes.
“We’re in contact with all of our elite skaters and regularly check up on them. I admire them for how they push despite the *********. We’ve gone through a phase where everyone had to take a break from training on the ice, but I’ve never seen any of them stop their off-ice training to keep themselves in good condition,” says Nikki.
So, for now, Christopher, Edrian, and Michael will have to continue to train so they will be in top shape for when the qualifying system is ready.
 

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But if the skater it was promised to gets injured, the country doesn't lose the spot.

If the spot was nominative, earned by the skater and not the country, only that skater can use the spot.

So CZE isn't different, they just did their selection early.
 

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The country can make the decision to do whatever it wants with its spots. Sometimes countries decide to promise them to skaters that earn them for the country.
Right - for instance, while I don't think he's been officially named by Mexico's FS federation, pretty much all of the Mexican sports media are saying that Donovan Carrillo has qualified for the Winter Olympics/calling him a Winter Olympian, and we all know that spot is his, barring injury. Same goes for Loena Hendrickx, Ziegler/Kiefer, Olga Mikutina, and several other skaters who are likely the only qualifying athletes from their countries.
 

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The way it works is that the national skating federation will nominate the skater to the National Olympic Committee. The NOC will then decide if the skater gets named to the Olympic team.
 

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Since there is so much talk about the men and Nebelhorn...

With about 500 caveats about consistency and the potential uselessness of this stat, if you look at the PB list of the men, take out all the countries who have qualified and take out the men who can't go to Nebelhorn for their country (e.g. Chen, Brown, Kolyada, Messing, etc.), the top PBs are all US, Canadian, and Russian men. I count three Americans, three Canadians, and nine Russians before I even get to the first man who is from another country (Litvintsev from Azerbaijan). And there are more from each of US, Canada and especially Russia before you get down to the 7th place country.

Now since Zhou has the third best PB in the world and still didn't make the free skate at Worlds, that does show that this can be a meaningless stat. But my one takeaway is that those three countries have enough depth that they should be really disappointed if whoever they send to Nebelhorn doesn't deliver a spot.
ISU PB total scores for the men's candidates after WTT (7 Olympic spots available):
+ = competed at 2018 Olympics

1. USA for 3rd spot (+Zhou 299.01 at 2019 WTT; 281.16 when he won bronze at 2019 Worlds; Hiwatashi 240.78 at 2020 4CC)
2. Russia for 3rd spot (+Aliev 272.89 when he won 2020 Euros/265.11 at 2020 Rostelecom Cup; Mozalev 245.09 when he won 2019 Jr. Worlds/266.69 at RC, Gumennik 268.47 RC, Ignatov 260.78 RC/265.37 at Russian Nationals, Kondratiuk 260.31 at RN)
3. Canada for 2nd spot (Nguyen 262.77; Sadovsky 247.50)
4. France for 2nd spot (Siao Him Fa 230.92; Ponsart 229.86 - both had higher totals at 2021 Challenge Cup)
5. Azerbaijan (Litvintsev 230.84)
6. Germany (+Fentz 230.01)
7. Australia (+Kerry 224.44)
8. Philippines (+Martinez 220.36 in 2015 - making a comeback now)
9. South Korea for 2nd spot (Sihyeong Lee 218.31 JGP in 2019) - competing this weekend in a domestic comp.
10. Austria (Zandron 217.65; Maierhofer 198.29 in 2018)
11. Turkey (Demirboga 213.39; Oktar 202.17 - both had higher totals at 2021 Challenge Cup)
12. Malaysia (+Julian Zhi Jie Yee 211.63 - don't know yet know if he plans to compete?)
13. Armenia (Hayrapetyan 209.58)
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Great Britain (Peter James Hallam 195.61)
Spain (Tomas Llorenc Guarino Sabate 192.70 at 2021 Challenge Cup; 192.10 at 2021 Egna Spring Trophy - unfortunately his personal best 69.66 TES in FS isn't counted as his Worlds minimum because there were only 4 judges on the panel in Egna)
 
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ISU PB total scores for the ladies' candidates after WTT (6 Olympic spots are available):

* = 2021 Challenge Cup total scores (not counted as ISU PB/SB)
+ = competed at 2018 Olympics

Country entered in 2021 Worlds:
USA for 3rd spot (Bell, Glenn, Liu are the 3 likely candidates for Nebelhorn)
Poland (Kurakova 201.47)
Switzerland (+Paganini 192.88)
Italy (5 on national team: Gutmann 179.59 WTT 2021; Negrello 170.20 WTT 2021; Piredda 180.55 WTT 2019; Tornaghi 178.60 YOG 2020; Beccari 167.94 2019 CS)
France (+Meite 178.89 but currently rehabbing from surgery; Mazzara 155.42; Serna 152.91)
Hong Kong (Leung 177.22)
Chinese Taipei (Ma 177.29*; Tzu-Han Ting 149.04 Jr. Worlds - turned 15 in Feb.)
Cyprus (Zingas 144.61/171.30*)
Ukraine (Arkhipova 170.56 JGP 2018; Shabotova 144.85 Jr. Worlds - turned 15 in Jan.)
Australia (+Craine 167.84)
Hungary (Lang 166.55; +Toth 160.83)
Slovenia (Grm 161.16)
Israel (Ioffe 144.13 JGP/153.28*)
Latvia (Kuchvalska 150.86)
Philippines (Perticheto 139.70)
Lithuania (Kropa 127.04)

Kazakhstan (+Tursynbaeva 224.76 when she won silver at 2019 Worlds)
Slovakia (+Rajicova 169.03) - if she's planning to compete?
Belarus (Ramashova 169.16 Jr. Worlds)
Austria for 2nd spot (Pesendorfer 150.54 Jr. Worlds, Schaller 130.05, Roth 124.00)
Mexico (Montesinos Cantu 148.55)
Singapore (Ing 147.85) - if she's planning to compete?
Brazil (+Williams 143.22) - currently training in NJ
Denmark (Maia Sorensen 137.51 JGP/145.52*)
Serbia (Dubinina 134.58/149.17 at Skate Helena last month)
Belgium for 2nd spot (only Hovine is age-eligible)
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