I, Tonya

[VGThuy]

At least part of the dialog was something she was known to have said at some event. Not the sucking my d*ck part but one of the earlier phrases. (I can't go back and quote it because the clip is gone.)

For some reason, I always assumed it was said behind-the-scenes, away from other on-lookers the way those sort of comments would be said.

 

[bardtoob]

At least part of the dialog was something she was known to have said at some event. Not the sucking my d*ck part but one of the earlier phrases. (I can't go back and quote it because the clip is gone.)

Probably "work my a$$ off".

 

[aftershocks]

Oxana did not mind the orphan-image, she said “American Press liked to give me Cinderella image, I guess it was good for PR”.

I guess that's the upshot, and thanks for the information/ explication.

Lots of fodder for the next fs drama/trauma movie, again with Kerrigan in the role of 'perturbed' and snotty off-screen 'ice princess rival' vs the other side of the tracks 'parent-challenged phenom.' Orphan Oxana! Script in the works.

 

[MacMadame]

That's possible. I just know that the skating world was up-in-arms over it and it was even reported somewhere.

 

[Tinami Amori]

For some reason, I always assumed it was said behind-the-scenes, away from other on-lookers the way those sort of comments would be said.

I guess back in The Times of King Solomon, without social media, i-net, twitters, very little was recorded, in comparison to today, on the athletes' stories and conversations (maybe a good thing?)....

On the subject of "pink dress" and "swearing" there is one recap:

"She also wore what she wanted. In The Price of Gold, she (Tonya) recounts performing in a bright pink costume she had made herself, after which “one of the judges came up to me … and said, ‘You know what? If you ever wear anything like that again at a U.S. Championships, you will never do another one.’ And I told them where to go. I said, ‘Well, you know what? If you can come up with $5,000 for a costume for me, then I won't have to make it. But until then, stay out of my face.’”

 

[aftershocks]

^^ Whoa! You tell that f'ing 'SOB' Tonya!

ETA:
Is there any more politic way of saying it?

"Well, thanks so much for your threatening warning. But unless you plan to personally donate $5,000+ to me annually for a costume designer and seamstress, back-off and mind your own business."

 

[Tinami Amori]

"Well, thanks so much for your threatening warning. But unless you plan to personally donate $5,000+ to me annually for a costume designer and seamstress, back-off and mind your own business."

(not at you, but at Tonya's attitude)
$5000 for a skating dress???!!!!! I thought she meant it figuratively....

If that what Tonya was saying, then she is wrong (imo). If one does not have money for a fancy dress, in the last 4 decades, one buys one from Daskin or LightInTheBox, decorated or single-color (and puts on own sparkles/lace). Back in the 90’s the price was under $50.00 USD. Now they cost slightly less than $100.00.

http://www.lightinthebox.com/ice-sk...reathable-quick-dry_p5958178.html?prm=1.3.5.0

http://www.lightinthebox.com/ice-sk...ating-dressbreathable-quick-dry_p5957809.html

Tonya would do much better with judges if she worried less about competing on “image” with Nancy; practiced more, learned some manners and proper speech for public appearance and got a decent hair cut. Her dresses and appearance was HIDEOUS most of the times. Skating was good, yes.

In America you can get anything you need within your budget, and still look presentable. If one can’t afford Neiman-Marcus, there is always Marshal’s….. both carry elegant classy smart clothes. Same for skating outfits.

$5000 USD for a skating dress is outrageous even today! Waste of money for just few months. Buy a plane dress and decorated it ANY way you like to. One has hands, take needle, sparkle gun, and get to work…. $ 5000……. Geeeeeees! 4 x $5000 is A DOWNPAYMENT on a house!

CloeNoel……. 90 dollars on Amazon! + 200 USD in sparkles....use hands and imagination..
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vXRNv4Y-L._SL1500_.jpg

 

[aftershocks]

^^ Yep, it does seem like a steep amount of money. But she probably was just picking a figure out of the air at random. So I'll revise my suggested more politic response (that's in keeping with Tonya's prickly character at that time):

"Well, thanks so much for your threatening warning. But unless you plan to personally donate $5,000+ to me annually for training expenses, equipment costs, healthy snacks, a costume designer and seamstress, back-off and mind your own business."



Not directed at you necessarily @Tinami Amori, but at the snarky, officious official's attitude, and the entire OTT scenario.

Tonya would do much better with judges if she worried less about competing on “image” with Nancy; practiced more, learned some manners and proper speech for public appearance and got a decent hair cut.

No argument from me on any of your opinionated tweaking, except...

Uh, sorry, but it's way too late and rather useless for you to be dispensing unwanted skating career advice to Tonya, methinks.

 

[MacMadame]

$5000 for a costume was on the high end during Tonya's time as an eligible skater. But not outrageous. These days, those same costumes could cost as much as $10,000. Or as little as $2500. It's kind of crazy how the price varies.

This is a costume fully made by hand just for her by a competent seamstress and designed to endure the rigors of competition without splitting a seam over time or having an unfortunate failure in the middle of a program and also comfortable to skate in. It's a lot harder to do that than you'd think and, while there are local "skate moms" who start out making dresses for their kids and end up doing it as a business that charge very reasonable prices, their quality varies greatly.

Also, Tonya did make her own dress and the judge didn't like it. So buying an off-the-rack dress and adding sparkles to it wouldn't necessarily have made them any happier. I think they didn't like her taste because a lot of time her dresses didn't look less expensive than the other skaters, just more garish and more daring.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Uh, sorry, but it's way too late and rather useless for you to be dispensing unwanted skating career advice to Tonya, methinks.

Everything that is said about Tonya's situation today is in retrospective and reflective..

$5000 for a costume was on the high end during Tonya's time as an eligible skater. But not outrageous. These days, those same costumes could cost as much as $10,000. Or as little as $2500. It's kind of crazy how the price varies.

(ok, i understand high cost of training and ice time..... but for a piece of rag?...)

 

[aftershocks]

Everything that is said about Tonya's situation today is in retrospective and reflective..

Of course. But then, there is such a thing as using correct grammatical tense to avoid misinterpretation and confusion over what you are trying to say.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Of course. But then, there is such a thing as using correct grammatical tense to avoid misinterpretation of what you are trying to say.

Can you tell a difference between this (original):

Tonya would do much better with judges if she worried less about competing on “image” with Nancy; practiced more, learned some manners and proper speech for public appearance and got a decent hair cut.

and this?

Tonya would do much better with judges if she worries less about competing on “image” with Nancy; practices more, learns some manners and proper speech for public appearance and gets a decent hair cut.

 

[Japanfan]

$5000 for a costume was on the high end during Tonya's time as an eligible skater. But not outrageous. These days, those same costumes could cost as much as $10,000. Or as little as $2500. It's kind of crazy how the price varies.

I heard that $3000. was not uncommon for a costume - sometimes in the past 10 years. I don't know that prices have gone up that much recently and also thought that one of the reasons costumes cost so much was that sequins had to be sewed on by hand.

I'd like to see an example of $10,000 costume. That's just

 

[Tinami Amori]

I'd like to see an example of $10,000 costume. That's just

I'd like to see an example of a $1000 dress which you can't make yourself for $300-$400......

 

[MacMadame]

I think the "big name" costumers cost that much. Tania Bass and Vera Wang types. But you don't have to use them as much as people get sucked into that. I don't want people to think that $10,000 is normal. Just that it's not out of the question either.

A lot of this depends on how elaborate they are. The stuff you see from Worlds contenders often has a lot of different pieces, maybe some cutouts, plus lots of trim (beads, crystals, etc) that has to all be done by hand. Compare that to Peggy Fleming's Olympic FS dress which is very plain and simply constructed.

 

[meggonzo]

Now I'm curious to know how much Nancy's 1994 long program dress cost since it had a ton of crystals and was a Vera Wang.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Now I'm curious to know how much Nancy's 1994 long program dress cost since it had a ton of crystals and was a Vera Wang.

From memory and from a couple of articles I read at the time, the cost of Nancy's dress was in the ball park of $10K.

 

[Inessence]

From memory and from a couple of articles I read at the time, the cost of Nancy's dress was in the ball park of $10K.

Personally, I thought that dress kind of washed her out against the backboards.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Personally, I thought that dress kind of washed her out against the backboards.

It was a puzzling colour. Personally, I thought the dress she wore earlier in the season at the Piruetten Trophy was a much more striking look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBIJ8mGKMIQ

 

[VGThuy]

I loved Nancy's champagne colored dress.

 

[Inessence]

I loved Nancy's champagne colored dress.

It was a lovely dress. It just sort of camouflaged her to me.

 

[aftershocks]

Can you tell a difference between this (original): Tonya would do much better with judges if she worried less about competing on “image” with Nancy; practiced more, learned some manners and proper speech for public appearance and got a decent hair cut.
and this?: ... if she worries less ... practices more, learns some manners ... gets a decent haircut.

No worries @Tinami Amori; despite having majored in English as an undergraduate, I don't pretend to be a grammatical expert myself. However, for clarity I believe it should read:

"Tonya would have done much better with judges if she had worried less ... had practiced more ... had learned some manners ... had gotten a decent haircut..." [past perfect tense, even though for Tonya, it was somewhat 'imperfect' and rather messy ]

In any case, even had she done those things adequately who really knows whether or not it would have been enough for Tonya to have gotten herself on the politically correct side of the fence?

Compare that to Peggy Fleming's Olympic FS dress which is very plain and simply constructed.

Peggy's mother made her dresses. That was a completely different era though, well before all the bling and before all the more modern day Olympic hype. That really was the beginning of large television audiences watching the Olympics, as it was the first time that the Winter Olympics was televised live nationally.

 

[MacMadame]

You want to wear the dress and not have the dress wear you. I thought by that criteria it was flirting close to the later. However, I only saw it on tv and cameras don't always render color the way our eyes see it.

 

[stephanie2006]

I was in Toronto to see the movie and it was certainly one of the most successful movies of the festival. I, Tonya got an additional screening and was voted first runner up in the People's choice award. It obviously works also for people who don't know anything about figure skating, while many skating details seem to be correct - often skating scenes in films are modified so much that it is too far from reality. The setup with the interviews is really smart and the actors, especially Margot Robbie and Allison Janney were great.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I loved Nancy's champagne colored dress.

It was ok...... but not for 10K....

You want to wear the dress and not have the dress wear you.

No worries, despite having majored in English as an undergraduate, I don't pretend to be a grammatical expert myself.

that's ok..... ever played around with mixed conditional?

 

[aftershocks]

that's ok..... ever played around with mixed conditional?

Anyway, you're welcome, even though you didn't say thank you.

 

[jenniferlyon]

I was in Toronto to see the movie and it was certainly one of the most successful movies of the festival. I, Tonya got an additional screening and was voted first runner up in the People's choice award. It obviously works also for people who don't know anything about figure skating, while many skating details seem to be correct - often skating scenes in films are modified so much that it is too far from reality. The setup with the interviews is really smart and the actors, especially Margot Robbie and Allison Janney were great.

I wonder if it's even possible to make a skating movie that includes believable skating scenes? Actors can learn basic moves and poses, but not much beyond that. And in the case of Tonya, body doubles who can do triple axels are in rather short supply.

 

[Japanfan]

I wonder if it's even possible to make a skating movie that includes believable skating scenes?

Yes. It's called editing - and these days, CGI.

However, it would also be necessary that the producer/director cared whether or not the skating was believable. If the audience is interested in romance (i.e The Cutting Edge) or drama, and not actual skating fans, it wouldn't matter much.

 

[Alilou]

Can't remember where but there's a video out there in which the director (?) says they used CGI (or whatev) to create 3A precisely because they couldn't get a real person to do it. Will find link later.

 

[bardtoob]

I wonder if they might have used some of the footage of Tonya's actually 3As since there is a lot of footage.