Hurricane Harvey coming at Texas

My brother and SIL live in Houston near NRG Stadium. They're on the 3rd floor of their building, so less concerned about flooding there, but they're not optimistic about their cars - water is already shin-depth on their side of the garage.

The forecast does not inspire much optimism; I hope everyone in the affected areas is being careful.
 
Seems very similar to what happened with Katrina, always the most vulnerable affected. It's going to ruin the infra structure of the towns an cities. I do recall the lack of support for the victims of Katrina. Hope things have changed.
 
Here's a graphic that shows the path of the storm center for Sunday (today) through Friday. It's basically what we already know.

Forecast Cone for Storm Center

I don't think there's ever been a hurricane quite like Harvey before where the rain and flooding will continue for days. A light steady rain started in my hometown last night. It's still a light steady rain, but is supposed to increase later this afternoon. According to the Weather Channel alerts I receive, the rain will be heavy and thunderstorms will increase by Wednesday and will continue until around September 5th with the chance of storms being around 40%.

Keeping the prayers going for all the areas especially around the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Costs.
 
4rkidz said:
Seems very similar to what happened with Katrina, always the most vulnerable affected. It's going to ruin the infra structure of the towns an cities. I do recall the lack of support for the victims of Katrina. Hope things have changed.
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I think things will be different this time - though this storm is going to last for another 3-4 days so it is only going to get worse. You have to look at the governance of Louisiana and New Orleans and how corrupt and incompetent it has been for decades, if not longer. The FEMA director this time is an experienced person in disaster relief so hopefully that helps as well.
 
skatingguy said:
I think things will be different this time - though this storm is going to last for another 3-4 days so it is only going to get worse. You have to look at the governance of Louisiana and New Orleans and how corrupt and incompetent it has been for decades, if not longer. The FEMA director this time is an experienced person in disaster relief so hopefully that helps as well.
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But there has been a change since Governor John Bel Edwards was elected in 2016. He does communicate with all the people in Louisiana, and I've had a chance to talk with him. He's been a positive change and influence for our state. It's not as corrupt as it used to be since he took office and I'm very proud of him. :)
 
Just saw and read about what's happening in Houston. Sounds horrible. People are trapped inside buildings (homes, hotels, airports, etc.) or worse- trapped outside in the flood waters. My niece used to live in an apartment across from the Reliance stadium where the Houston Texans (NFL) play. I am glad that she moved to California. Even downtown Houston is flooded. I hope people won't try to get out on the roads. I heard they have been asked to find higher ground, even the roof.

One person is confirmed dead in Rockport. Several injured.

Even San Antonio, which is inland, has issued flood warnings.

I am wondering about NASA. The damage there must be astronomical, but human lives and the poverty stricken people must be thought of first.

I have visited all these places, except Rockport, and lived in three different cities in Texas. So this feels like close to home.

I hope to send a donation either today or tomorrow. The damage is estimated to be in several billions. I hope Trump will send money ASAP to the disaster areas.
 
skatesindreams said:
Latest tweet from the National Weather Service, re: Harvey
https://twitter.com/NWS/status/901832717070983169
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Well, I'm in the medium orange or is that peach. I'm afraid meteorologist Ron Young wasn't too far off bat. I can't tell very well, but it looks like either 4.14 or 4.44 inches. He predicted around 5.8 inches and before it's over with, it very well may be that. This means that the Sabine River in Logansport which is 20 miles west of where I live will probably flood again and will probably peak around 32 feet which is exactly what happened two years ago in June. The river would usually peak around 24 feet. I have a feeling another mandatory evacuation will most likely be the case. The last time, the national guard was sent in to help the people evacuate.

I talked to my stepmom earlier in Logansport, and she said that the fire district and the Mayor was already discussing the situation. Here are photos that my brother helped me take of the Riverfront in Logansport when the river peaked.

Rverfront4

Riverfront2

What you see in this photo is the Pavilion which is half-way covered in water and the road leading to it is completely submerged.
Riverfront1

Riverfront3

The pics were taken when the river had peaked at around 28 feet. We weren't able to go to the Riverfront when it finally peaked at 32 feet which was the highest it had ever peaked.
 
Some of the latest model data are indicating some areas around Houston could see a total of 50-60" before this is all over.
 
I don't know anybody personally in Texas anymore. Watching on t.v. This is so, so terrible. In Ohio we are "used to" worrying about tornadoes and seeing the afermath on t.v. I absolutely can't imagine how people can stand this for three more days, and then the long, long recovery. (((Hugs to Texas)))

p.s. I sent a big check to the Northshore Animal League after Katrina when I was watching on a Saturday morning and Anderson Cooper discovered a dog in a shed and they put it in their t.v. truck. Aaaawwww.....
 
The WaPo has a brief analysis on how much rain has already fallen. This is insane. :eek:
The 9 trillion gallons of water dispensed so far is enough to fill the entire Great Salt Lake in Salt Lake City — twice! It would take nine days straight for the Mississippi River to drain into Houston and equal the amount of water already there. If we averaged this amount of water spread equally over the lower 48 states, that’s the equivalent of about 0.17 inches of rain — roughly the height of three pennies stacked atop each other — occupying every square inch of the contiguous United States. Imagine one downpour large enough to cover the entire country!
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ns-of-water/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.2ccd3cf570e3
 
Things are still okay-ish here, but several neighboring towns have evacuation orders. My store was closed at 1pm because so many associates live in the evacuation areas that there weren't enough people available to keep things running. My town still looks okay, it's not raining at the moment and the ditches/canals are not overflowing (yet). I live in a 2nd floor apartment so I'm not in immediate danger (and my car is insured in case the parking lot floods). The local WalMart was still open so I bought what I could. There's no bread or chips left so I came away with fruit roll-ups and extra cat food for my kitty.
 
Fortunately, the people in this assisted living facility were rescued:
"Nursing home residents up to their waists in water" http://cnn.it/2wgsJXj

However, reports say that it is not the only nursing home which needs help.
 
All the models are now coming into agreement that Harvey will slowly move southeast and back out over the Gulf where some reintensification is possible. The storm then heads north again and goes over Houston sometime Wednesday. The Euro model which has been very good on precipitation estimates gives the Houston area an additional 20-30" of rain.

Any way you look at it, this is off the charts catastrophic.

And in other news, Irma may be forming off the Carolinas and move northeast over the next several days.
 
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I've been thinking of how this hurricane has just stalled and nothing quite like this has ever happened before. I've known about Weather Warfare and the HAARP system that's in Alaska. I'm probably way off base, but IMO, I believe this could possibly be something more than just climate change.

I want to share an article that's about the subject of Weather Warfare:

Weather Warfare: Beware the U.S. Military's Experiments With Climatic Warfare

This article is from the Global Research website. I have read various articles and watched documentaries regarding the HAARP system.

The US military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. The technology, which is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is an appendage of the Strategic Defense Initiative – ‘Star Wars’. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems around the world.

Weather-modification, according to the US Air Force document AF 2025 Final Report, ‘offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary’, capabilities, it says, extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes: ‘Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies.’
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The HAARP system is fully operational and in many regards dwarfs existing conventional and strategic weapons systems. While there is no firm evidence of its use for military purposes, Air Force documents suggest HAARP is an integral part of the militarisation of space. One would expect the antennas already to have been subjected to routine testing.
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I believe experimenting with the climate could definitely cause dangerous results especially when they're trying to fool with Mother Nature. It's not natural and what if these tests and experiments have already caused Cimate Change and even a hole in our ozone layer which protects us from the radiation from the sun.

Am I serious about this? Yes I am, and it's quite scary, IMO.
 
While it is rare, a hurricane stalling like Harvey is not unusual.

The last memorable was Mitch about 15 years ago. It stalled just off Honduras with sustained winds of 180 mph for three days. The rainfall was catastrophic in that case and the winds along the coast obliterated whole towns.

In the case of Harvey, high pressure over west Texas has been an on and off feature all summer and is responsible for the heat in the Southwest. Right now it is again in the low 120s in Death Valley. This high is keeping Harvey moving to the northwest. There is a wrk high over the southeastern US which is keeping Harvey from moving to the east and which will also be responsible for pushing Irma to the northeast along the Carolinas. Since the steering currents of the westerlies are across the northern US, there is nothing to push Harvey along. What is going to happen is Harvey will slide southeast at the high to the northwest pushes a little southeast, finally the high to the east will move further east, allowing Harvey to move north across east Texas and western LA.

As far as climate experiments are concerned, I know they tried stuff with hurricanes in the 60s which didn't go as planned (the hurricane actually split in two). It would be possible if there were devices in orbit that could warm the surface of the earth that could possibly alter the course of the jet streams. It would not be advisable since the risk of unintended consequences is to great.
 
Harvey's rain 'beyond anything experienced,' weather service says

Flooding from Tropical Storm Harvey is overburdening resources as authorities in and around Houston scramble to save those trapped by the high waters.

Hopes for an immediate respite from Harvey's wrath seem unlikely as the National Weather Service calls the flooding "unprecedented" and warns things may become more dire if a record-breaking 50 inches of rain falls on parts of Texas in coming days.

The rainfall threatens to exacerbate an already dangerous situation, as Harvey's rains have left many east Texas rivers and bayous swollen to their banks or beyond.

"The breadth and intensity of this rainfall are beyond anything experienced before," the weather service said. "Catastrophic flooding is now underway and expected to continue for days."
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skatesindreams said:
Fortunately, the people in this assisted living facility were rescued:
"Nursing home residents up to their waists in water" http://cnn.it/2wgsJXj
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They showed the beginning of that and said they were coming back after a break. I couldn't watch! I had to change the channle. I'm so glad they got rescued.

Simone411 said:
I've been thinking of how this hurricane has just stalled and nothing quite like this has ever happened before.
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I wish they would not keep asking people if they've ever seen anything like this before. Unless they were with Noah on the ark, uh, no. I guess they don't know what else to ask.

Trump's going there on Tuesday. I wonder if he'll give out play-doh. He probably won't even get his feet wet, and he will brag about how fast he signed the disaster relief and how fast he got there and how many people came out in water up to their waists to see him.

p.s. from before - I've seen lots of people carrying their doggies! And one guy stayed back with their dogs while his wife and son got rescued first. They said they did later get rescued.

I happened to flip to CNN three different times when one of the anchors kept moving to higher ground and was on a highway ramp next to a Spaghetti Warehouse, where the parking lot kept getting in deeper and deeper, that looked like it was buckling. The next time she had to have moved too far away. I wonder what happened to it. I KNOW that's not as important as lives and people's homes. Just wondering if that will happen to other old buildings too.
 
skatingguy said:
I think things will be different this time - though this storm is going to last for another 3-4 days so it is only going to get worse. You have to look at the governance of Louisiana and New Orleans and how corrupt and incompetent it has been for decades, if not longer. The FEMA director this time is an experienced person in disaster relief so hopefully that helps as well.
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IMHO, most of what went wrong with Katrina started with the Louisiana/New Orleans dropping the ball on what federal assistance was needed. Because of the 10th Amendment/federalism/Stafford Act, the federal government cannot come into a state's jurisdiction without that state's permission. This is the biggest :wall: that most people still don't get about federal agencies like FEMA.

What will make me freak out is if for some reason, martial law gets declared anywhere in Texas. I don't think that should be necessary - and I hope not.
 
@FGRSK8: Do we know yet where Irma will travel? (My family is in NC, PA and NY).

This is very very scary stuff in Texas. And I can imagine that things are only going to get worse. If I am not mistaken, the water off Texas was so warm that it caused Harvey to gain strength so fast.

It's all frightening and unprecedented. Outside of the weather phenom of 50" total rainfall predicted in some areas, it seems man created their own problem. 100,000 more people move in to that part of Texas per year and plant themselves and their houses in concrete sidewalks and macadem roads so there is not good or even passable water runoff.

Now, with Harvey, if people shopped for food and water prior to the storm, and then if one now has to flee, who is going to feed and water them? Think of the filth, germs and animals floating in the water, and they are all fleeing in it!

How many people are going to lose their jobs because their offices are destroyed, will they have the capability to earn a living?

How are all of these houses in many many neighborhoods going to be rebuilt?

How and when are the children ever going to get back to schools that have been destroyed? It's going to take months, years.

No one can prevent the present damage and further flooding yet to come, but I surely hope that the local, state and federal governments all get their acts together to help.

The governor of Texas was on, he said everything will be alright because all will be declared federal disaster areas............why do I not have faith in our present federal government.

I am so very thankful that none of my family live anywhere near there. But on to Irma...
 
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FGRSK8 said:
While it is rare, a hurricane stalling like Harvey is not unusual.

The last memorable was Mitch about 15 years ago. It stalled just off Honduras with sustained winds of 180 mph for three days. The rainfall was catastrophic in that case and the winds along the coast obliterated whole towns.

In the case of Harvey, high pressure over west Texas has been an on and off feature all summer and is responsible for the heat in the Southwest. Right now it is again in the low 120s in Death Valley. This high is keeping Harvey moving to the northwest. There is a wrk high over the southeastern US which is keeping Harvey from moving to the east and which will also be responsible for pushing Irma to the northeast along the Carolinas. Since the steering currents of the westerlies are across the northern US, there is nothing to push Harvey along. What is going to happen is Harvey will slide southeast at the high to the northwest pushes a little southeast, finally the high to the east will move further east, allowing Harvey to move north across east Texas and western LA.

As far as climate experiments are concerned, I know they tried stuff with hurricanes in the 60s which didn't go as planned (the hurricane actually split in two). It would be possible if there were devices in orbit that could warm the surface of the earth that could possibly alter the course of the jet streams. It would not be advisable since the risk of unintended consequences is to great.
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Thanks for the information, FGRSK8. I thought about Weather and Climate warfare because of the US doing testing with biological and chemical warfare in the past during the 60's in different states without citizens even knowing. I still feel that this definitely has to do with Climate change occuring in the past few years.
 
FGRSK8 said:
All the models are now coming into agreement that Harvey will slowly move southeast and back out over the Gulf where some reintensification is possible. The storm then heads north again and goes over Houston sometime Wednesday. The Euro model which has been very good on precipitation estimates gives the Houston area an additional 20-30" of rain.

Any way you look at it, this is off the charts catastrophic.

And in other news, Irma may be forming off the Carolinas and move northeast over the next several days.
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If this were a screenplay, Hollywood would turn it down for lack of credibility.

Sitting here reading the tweets and seeing the photos is scary as hell.
 
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