Harvey Weinstein megaproducer and executive ousted over sexual harassment

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Jesus himself indicated that humans could expect to be tempted; as he was, yet, should "sin not".
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Scripture also says resist temptation. Once again I have seen far to many cases of for example girl dating one guy best friends with another. Ends up ditching guy she is dating for best friend. Now nobody is married so technically no choice made but does not mean people did not get hurt. And the former significant others surely got hurt.

It happens in marriages too All The Time. So I believe in boundaries. I have never cheated on or cheated with anyone. Don't plan on it. But I don't buy into the idea that there should be no boundaries between men and women. Just don't.

Yes we are not animals but I think wise people can recognize they are also not perfect and recognize that maybe lines need to be drawn before you are saying no physically.

Once again yes you can be just friends even with attractive people. I think there is a middle ground between no boundaries and Pence lol
 
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overedge said:
As soon as you set up a boundary, you're implying that one sex can't be trusted around the other and can't control themselves.
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Yes, that's the presumption.

I'm reminded of couples that have a 'no friend of the opposite sex' rule. SFAIK there are quite a few of those.

Personally, I'd never agree to such a rule. I have one very close male friend who I've known for more than 20 years and it has never been an issue between Mr. Japanfan and I. And women vastly outnumber men at his workplace, and that also has never been an issue.

It's that thing called 'trust'.
 
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Japanfan said:
Yes, that's the presumption.

I'm reminded of couples that have a 'no friend of the opposite sex' rule. SFAIK there are quite a few of those.

Personally, I'd never agree to such a rule. I have one very close male friend who I've known for more than 20 years and it has never been an issue between Mr. Japanfan and I. And women vastly outnumber men at his workplace, and that also have never been an issue.

It's that thing called 'trust'.
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I would never tell me significant other that they cannot have a friend or who they can spend time with. But for myself, I have boundaries!

And my boundaries are just in general. After twice I fell into dating male best friends, I promised myself I would not allow myself to get that close to a guy I am not dating again. If course it was lot like that with every guy friend.

I have had plenty of male friends but most are acquaintances really. One guy friend I consider close close but I am even closer with his wife. And I hang out with both together. I am friends with another close friends spouse but not like with guy one. But the time I spend with him is mainly with his wife too. If I want a male perspective i can call my brother or have conversation with one of my friends AND their spouses.

I know how I work and how easy it is for me to get emotionally attached to a guy who becomes best friend so I chose to develop boundaries.

If I am dating someone then I work towards becoming best friends with him!

As for self control I have plenty of it more than most people if you knew me or my background.

Of course I work with guys in quite a friendly way! I had lunch with a male manager yesterday! I am not a Pence.
 
I think making rules like no friends of the opposite sex, or no dinners with someone other than your spouse or whatever rule indicates a level of mistrust in your SO. And masking it by saying you don't trust yourself indicates you don't trust yourself. Men and women straight or gay can be friends without leading to a sexual encounter.

Back to the sexual misconduct of people like the thread initially started - that's not a "oh let's have dinner" and being named, it's about power and manipulation and vindictive immoral behavior. No means no. Stop means stop.
 
once_upon said:
I think making rules like no friends of the opposite sex, or no dinners with someone other than your spouse or whatever rule indicates a level of mistrust in your SO. And masking it by saying you don't trust yourself indicates you don't trust yourself. Men and women straight or gay can be friends without leading to a sexual encounter.

Back to the sexual misconduct of people like the thread initially started - that's not a "oh let's have dinner" and being named, it's about power and manipulation and vindictive immoral behavior. No means no. Stop means stop.
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Once again my boyfriend has no rules like that. Without trust no relationship. I though developed rules for myself. There is a difference.

A lot of affairs don't start out planned. Having the boundary of no cheating is a low one. We are all capable of lust bad thoughts.

And I am fully aware that men and woman can be friends without having sex but cheating isn't just sex. Ever heard emotional affairs?

I am very conservative when it comes to sexual morals. And have lived my values. I am well aware men and women can be friends without having sex I have managed that or any type of kissing.

For many people their spouse having an emotional affair is worse than the physical one.
 
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I've had more close male friends than female friends. Not a lot of women in the city I live in are into video games and various geeky pursuits but even when I was young I got along better with boys than I did with girls.

None of the guys I've been friends with have ever tried to cross the line with me. We never set boundaries but we knew where we stood with each other. Ultimately it all comes down to the choices we make though. Whether you set boundaries or not, if someone makes the choice to cheat that's on them. Acting like we're all just slaves to our most primal urges just turns all of humanity into cave men. We were given the ability to choose what we do and how we react to situations and behave with the people around us. People choose to be douchebags or people choose to be good people. I work in retail. I experience this on a daily basis. Acting like people don't have choice in things like harassing other people or cheating on their partners is a discredit to all of us.

If you need to set boundaries with people and that works for you that's fine. It's your life and that's how you are comfortable living it. But acting like that's something everyone should just do is impractical and really doesn't work on a large scale.
 
I never said everyone should do it but I suspect a lot of marriages and affairs happen not because people said I want to commit adultery but because of lack of boundaries.

We can all develop feelings for some inappropriate once feelings happen it is harder to say no. That's all I am saying.

I have learned it is best for me to develop boundaries. It is what it is.
 
Geoffrey Rush Resigns From Academy Presidency, Blaming ‘Unjustifiable’ Reports About Inappropriate Behavior

A quote from Rush in the article:

“Certain recent media reports have made untenable allegations concerning my standing in the entertainment community. It is unreasonable that my professional colleagues should be somehow associated with such allegations,” Rush said in a statement through his lawyer, according to The Guardian. “This decision has not been made lightly. However, in the current climate of innuendo and unjustifiable reporting, I believe the decision to make a clean break to clear the air is the best for all concerned.”
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The list of actors I'm not going to watch anymore is growing, and and while it was easy to give up Woody Allen's ___ mug and egocentric movies about the existential angst of being rich and famous, others, like Geoffrey Rush, I actually liked. And Dustin Hoffman. :wuzrobbed

I will probably watch Kevin Spacey's final season of House of Cards anyway, on the excuse that I love Robin Wright (which I really do). And while Spacey is brilliant in that, he's also a creep and a con man, not to mention a murderer. That somehow seems like a justification for watching. :confused::shuffle::slinkaway
 
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Very glad to see Levine finally facing some consequences. He was widely known for molesting prepubescent children--particularly children of color. Too bad Leonard Bernstein passed before he got called out for similar behavior (though typically pubescent youth in his case).

Times are a changing
 
For a number of years I was a family support worker and all of my Moms had a newborn that was considered to be at high risk of abuse and/or neglect. One of my families became very physically abusive but the physical abuse was female to male. She was considerably bigger than him and although he was verbally abusive - she just whaled on him. I had no training in how to deal with them and so I chose to attend a 3 day seminar offered by the agency on domestic abuse. After a day or so of information and discussion on male to female abuse I put up my hand and requested advice on how to help my assigned family. Much to my dismay and bewilderment I was told there was no such thing as female to male domestic abuse as the society we lived in systematically had abused women for centuries and therefore she was the victim. Not very helpful as I contemplated the strong possibility that she would put him in the hospital or worse and then she really would be a victim - of the legal system. We limped along with me listening to her life story, one full of terrible abuse, and me trying to caution her on the consequences of acting out her rage on him. Eventually, I was reassigned, and although I don't know what ultimately happened I was relieved that nothing catastrophic occurred during my watch. I came to the conclusion that abuse is abuse - no matter the gender.
 
It makes me wonder how these issues are being dealt with in same-sex couples or non-binary gender individuals. If men in heterosexual relationships can be physically abusive, then the same must be happening in same-sex relationships but is there assistance for gay men who are abused by their partners. The information from the Ministry of the Attorney General of Ontario only addresses women.
https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/family/violence.php

Then there are issues with trans gender individuals and how the law applies to them. Some people who work in organizations that assist women who have been battered or raped believe that trans women can't have the same issues as female born women and that considering them equally further oppresses female born women.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/transgender-rights-bill-female-born-spaces-1.4110634
 
skatingguy said:
It makes me wonder how these issues are being dealt with in same-sex couples or non-binary gender individuals. If men in heterosexual relationships can be physically abusive, then the same must be happening in same-sex relationships but is there assistance for gay men who are abused by their partners. The information from the Ministry of the Attorney General of Ontario only addresses women.
https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/family/violence.php

Then there are issues with trans gender individuals and how the law applies to them. Some people who work in organizations that assist women who have been battered or raped believe that trans women can't have the same issues as female born women and that considering them equally further oppresses female born women.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/transgender-rights-bill-female-born-spaces-1.4110634
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I can't imagine why the same rules would not apply. Sexual Harassment is just that no matter who is doing it to whom seems to me.
 
skatingguy said:
It makes me wonder how these issues are being dealt with in same-sex couples or non-binary gender individuals. If men in heterosexual relationships can be physically abusive, then the same must be happening in same-sex relationships but is there assistance for gay men who are abused by their partners.
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I don't know what's available in Canada but in the US there is a helpline specifically for LGQBT couples. I just finished a Title IX training today and it included a link. I'll try to remember to post it for those who might be interested.
 
skatesindreams said:
Tom Hanks speaks out:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/12/01/tom-hanks-on-sexual-harassment-axe-files-sot.cnn
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What's going to happen if some actress who worked with him on Bosom Buddies all those years ago decides to come out and say he touched her inappropriately? Or kept asking her out on dates or something? Will he never work again? Will all of his movies be destroyed?

I don't know, I'm just kind of getting bored with it all.

Will groupies from the 60's till now come out and complain that they didn't really want to sleep with those famous people? Or women who did flirt with or sleep with producers and bosses and whoever because they wanted to get ahead say they were the victims?

O.k. - now you can attack me personally, call me names - that's what this country has devolved into, after all.
 
Susan1 said:
What's going to happen if some actress who worked with him on Bosom Buddies all those years ago decides to come out and say he touched her inappropriately? Or kept asking her out on dates or something? Will he never work again? Will all of his movies be destroyed?

I don't know, I'm just kind of getting bored with it all.
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The sexual abuse of people isn't intended to be your personal entertainment. If you are so lacking in human empathy then simply step away from the topic and this thread instead of being so ridiculous.
 
On the news tonight it was reported that an eighth woman has come forward with an accusation against Al Franken. And that Franken might resign as early as tomorrow morning.
 
antmanb said:
The sexual abuse of people isn't intended to be your personal entertainment. If you are so lacking in human empathy then simply step away from the topic and this thread instead of being so ridiculous.
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I just think it's going overboard. Now men will be afraid to hire women in the workplace because they might yell harassment over some tiny little thing they don't like. Or men will be afraid to be alone with a female in any business situation. Made me think back to all the fun times..........going to Olive Garden with my boss and then to pick out the colors for the pictures to be matted and framed; taken out to birthday lunches; closed door meetings, like performance appraisals. Nobody ever would have thought it was inappropriate. When one boss retired, a big ol' teddy bear of a man, and I was 35 years younger, I hugged him at his retirement party with everybody around and he said something like you all saw that, she hugged me. I wouldn't want to be accused of anything. So I play-punched him on the arm. And we all laughed.

It might be harder to do something about the big stuff (actual assault) if every man gets fired now for something he did once 20 years ago. And females are going to grow up being afraid that all men will assault them.
 
Dylan Farrow wrote an Op-Ed for the L.A. Times. She calls out Kate Winslet, Blake Lively, & Greta Gerwig for their inconsistent comments regarding #MeToo; and noted support from Ellen Page, Jessica Chastain & Susan Sarandon.

*** Dylan Farrow: Why has the #MeToo revolution spared Woody Allen?
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-farrow-woody-allen-me-too-20171207-story.html
I have long maintained that when I was 7 years old, Woody Allen led me into an attic, away from the babysitters who had been instructed never to leave me alone with him. He then sexually assaulted me. I told the truth to the authorities then, and I have been telling it, unaltered, for more than 20 years;. Why is it that Harvey Weinstein and other accused celebrities have been cast out by Hollywood, while Allen recently secured a multimillion-dollar distribution deal with Amazon, greenlit by former Amazon Studios executive Roy Price before he was suspended over sexual misconduct allegations? Allen’s latest feature, “Wonder Wheel,” was released theatrically on Dec. 1.
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In the final legal disposition of the matter, a judge denied him custody of me, writing that “measures must be taken to protect” me and that there was “no credible evidence” that my mother, Mia Farrow, coached me in any way. A prosecutor took the unusual step of announcing that he had probable cause to charge Allen but declined in order to spare me, a “child victim,” from an exhausting trial.
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The system worked for Harvey Weinstein for decades. It works for Woody Allen still.
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