RoseRed
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I really don't get the problem with the time deduction. When I timed it, I had her ~1-2 seconds over. And it's not a hard thing for her to fix.
To add to what @Tinami Amori posted as I was replying- it's easy to time Zagitova's program. She was over by at least one second, probably closer to two so there's no argument there.
Yes, that's one of the questions about Kostornya. but we have not got to it yet to discuss.If they're protesting Kostornaia's 3A in the short program, I thought it was rotated enough in replay to get full credit, although opinions certainly varied here.
First of all, Lakernik did not dispute, he asked for explanation.
Re Zagitov's music/ending - (not about jumps).
it's a very gray area, at best it is just few fractions of a second over, but not a full second. One has to really want to ding someone, to claim this as violation.
On this video, she starts moving on 0:49 and lowers her hand with the last note @ 3:39.
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First of all, the rules say "programme lasts 2 m. 40 sec.".@Tinami Amori - you’ve been a fan long enough to know the counter starts when the skater first moves. Stojko used to stand on the ice for 30+ seconds before he would move.
We can argue fractions of a second, maybe a fraction..... But then same rule should be applied to ALL.. and it is not.On exact video, I can provide you with a screen shot where her hand/arm is already moving up at 0:48. The problem is, that last note of the music is after 3:38. I don't get why it's there, and I don't get the additional choreography to drop the arm down on that beat. It's over time, whether half a second or three seconds.
We can argue fractions of a second, maybe a fraction..... But then same rule should be applied to ALL.. and it is not.
Andrews' timing is in the same situation.... but no one paid attention to it.
The problem once again with Zagitova is that the final note in her program comes at 2:51 after she starts moving, no matter how you want to look at it and regardless of which video you want to send me. She needs to remove that final note of the music and the get rid of the hand movement down and she won't be risking deduction.
Kostornaya's 3A in SP in Grenoble.... clean as a whistle, but with an "iffy" landing, for which she should get a -1 or -2.
But not a UR. That's an invention....
Kostornaia leads after terrific short program in Grenoble | NBC Sports
Alena Kostornaia's short program has her in first halfway through the Grand Prix event in Grenoble, France #NBCSports #AlenaKostornaia #FigureSkating » Subsc...www.youtube.com
Given that this jump combo 3A2T for Alysa Liu, is "gosh knows what kind of jump", possible UR, wonkie landing, and a novice-level step-forward off the toe-pick toe-valley at an almost stand-still, got full credit for the 3A-2T combo with from 0 to -3 deductions....
... and Alina's combo gets -5 deduction, given it is not "as good as it usually is and bit heavy"?Alysa Liu (USA) | Ladies Free Skating | Gdansk 2019
16:16:30 - 16:23:40 1 Michaela VRASTAKOVA CZE 36 30.37 16:23:40 - 16:30:50 2 Sofia Isabel Victoria GUIDOTE PHI 35 31.72 16:30:50 - 16:38:00 3 Anna LITVINENKO...www.youtube.com
Has anyone fully addressed (not just few mentions and then it died down) the clear and blunt ignoring of Bell's UR jump at the Worlds 2018? I know TW you did, and couple of others.... but there were no hysterics over it. It was passed over as a "matter of fact".
mmmmm...as long as they establish a min. calorie intake for ladies. I have never seen anyone as thin as Scherbakova with bones sticking out who wasn't a week or two shy of dying of cancer.They already asked and are waiting for a ruling this summer. They want it in place before the Olympics. If a 3A is allowed there's no reason to not allow the quad
of course they did not..... T/M won their first try out at Nebelhorn and then 2 GP events that followed. The team got to the prize money, and Feds got their cut.
Plus this programme appeared to be an element of "self-expression and vision". That's what happens when skaters without proper education and knowledge of the world trends, want to "express themselves" and are allowed to do so..
If all one does is "skate", no matter how old one is, his/her brains are "limited". They need supervision, but that's not politically correct. So you either have a brainy person like Nathan Chen, who combines high-level education with visions of programmes... and WINS. Or you have to have someone like Eteri and Team, to guide the "athletes" in the right direction, doing all the calculations for them, and then they WIN.
The "freedom of self-discovery and expression" on ice by athletes is overrated... Either someone has the intellect and knowledge to follow the right direction for oneself, or the others mostly younger ones, follow to the T what smarter coaches give them.
I want to express myself now, works only in the movies.....
Audrey Hepburn's Crazy Dance
Very Cute Audrey Hepburn Dance from movie "Funny Face". Choreography by Eugene Loring.www.youtube.com
TA - like many I am amused by your battles in defense of favorites. And many times I get your point. This one through "should be applied to all" is tired. Any negative call - time, # spin rotations, landing foot angle, insufficient out of footwork - against any skater - young, nationality, coached by - can be countered with someone who "got away with it". Unless one can show a systematic penalizing of a skater through multiple competitions it's an empty argument.We can argue fractions of a second, maybe a fraction..... But then same rule should be applied to ALL.. and it is not.
Andrews' timing is in the same situation.... but no one paid attention to it.
I can't recall a single programme from Tutberidze team that made me go `eeek
I have no idea if Anna is healthy or not. I have seen pictures of her mother, who is also very tiny.mmmmm...as long as they establish a min. calorie intake for ladies. I have never seen anyone as thin as Scherbakova with bones sticking out who wasn't a week or two shy of dying of cancer.
I have no idea if Anna is healthy or not. I have seen pictures of her mother, who is also very tiny.
I went back and looked at pictures of myself around that age. When I was fifteen, I didn't look that different than Anna. I ate plenty and just didn't gain any weight. It was natural.
So I don't think you should assume she's not healthy just because she's thin.
mmmmm...as long as they establish a min. calorie intake for ladies. I have never seen anyone as thin as Scherbakova with bones sticking out who wasn't a week or two shy of dying of cancer.
Some of you really need to read the Oda thread. Just sayin....
Just read the later posts and you'll see for yourself.What's the Oda thread got to do with timing violations, music selections, underrotations, or eating disorders?
As much as I dislike the 'Eteri and co can do no wrong' group, people who are attacking teenage girls like this are far worse. That's a young girl, who is doing her best to make it in an incredibly tough position. She deserves respect as a human being even if you don't like her skating.mmmmm...as long as they establish a min. calorie intake for ladies. I have never seen anyone as thin as Scherbakova with bones sticking out who wasn't a week or two shy of dying of cancer.
I can't recall a single programme from Tutberidze team that made me go `eeek, this little girl should not be skating to that music'.
Jotem, on the other hand....
Miyahara got five under-rotation calls at Cup of China, and even if Tuktamysheva fnished 2nd it wouldn't guarantee that she would go to the Grand Prix Final.Well, the lack of UR calls on Miyahara at COR cost Tuk a silver medal and a trip to the GPF so IMHO, the Russian Fed and Mishin have a legitimate complaint.
Just read the later posts and you'll see for yourself.
As much as I dislike the 'Eteri and co can do no wrong' group, people who are attacking teenage girls like this are far worse. That's a young girl, who is doing her best to make it in an incredibly tough position. She deserves respect as a human being even if you don't like her skating.
And frankly, while I am worried about her health, as I am for any child doing quads, she isn't that thin.