From Russia with love [#29]: Spring 2018 and beyond

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Pity, I thought Kovtun made real progress in his first season with Goncharenko, she ironed out a lot of his posture problems and he seemed to be much more fluid. I guess going with her to Plushenko's academy wasn't feasible for a multitude of reasons!
 
Ka3sha said:
Inna Goncharenko: Maxim Kovtun has returned to Buyanova
According to the article, Goncharenko started working in Pluschenko's Academy after she left CSKA this January
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Is anyone else secretly thinking that a Kovtun-Plushenko coaching situation might actually be a good idea for the both of them? Max needs someone to fix his quads and posture, and Plushenko needs talented kids. If they could set aside their spat, that could actually be something...and of course it'd make a good movie.
 
Moka-Ananas said:
Kolyada won medals in almost every competition he entered this season. He has proven his worth.
Kovtun has no medals from Worlds or GPF IIRC.
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Yep, you're right. No medals from Worlds or GPF, although he was 4th in 2014.
I just prefer Kolyada by a mile so the choice is clear for me...I'm just curious what the fed will do.
 
Am not sure at this case Kovtun had much choice - being in Pluschenko's academy under his `best friend Pluschenko' after all that was said in the press by Kovtun and by Pluschenko about each other does not sound like a good idea. Also AFAIK Pluschenko's academy doesn't have a full size rink and am not sure Kovtun's technique of `going full speed, putting his nose on the ice and taking off' for the quads does not demand the 60m ice. Belonging to TSKA it made sense he remained there and Buyanova is still (AFAIK) the head coach there. So why not...
 
Ka3sha said:
Rumors say that two novice girls moved to Eteri: Kamila Valieva and Maia Khromykh. Both girls will turn 12 very soon, so they very well maybe our 2022 Olympic medalists :D
Some of you may remember Valieva as an adorable white swan from few years ago :)
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Both Valieva and Khromykh have shown some promise in the past. A year ago Valieva won younger novice nationals and Khromykh placed third but this season that just ended was not very good for either of them; they didn’t qualify for older novice nationals. (Just for comparison, Muraveva who placed second at the same nationals was fourth at older novice nationals this past season. Even though all three of them are the same age, Muraveva is born August so she will be junior eligible only a season after Valieva and Khromykh.) With so many great girls becoming eligible evey season, it was really time to do some changes for Valieva and Khromykh, if they want to stay in the group of top girls for their age group. Let’s see what Tutberidze will do with them the next season.
 
TAHbKA said:
Am not sure at this case Kovtun had much choice - being in Pluschenko's academy under his `best friend Pluschenko' after all that was said in the press by Kovtun and by Pluschenko about each other does not sound like a good idea. Also AFAIK Pluschenko's academy doesn't have a full size rink and am not sure Kovtun's technique of `going full speed, putting his nose on the ice and taking off' for the quads does not demand the 60m ice. Belonging to TSKA it made sense he remained there and Buyanova is still (AFAIK) the head coach there. So why not...
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I see, that makes sense. Not to mention with the whole scandal behind Plushenko right now, I think going back to Buyanova is best.
 
Ka3sha said:
Rumors say that two novice girls moved to Eteri: Kamila Valieva and Maia Khromykh. Both girls will turn 12 very soon, so they very well maybe our 2022 Olympic medalists :D
Some of you may remember Valieva as an adorable white swan from few years ago :)
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thanks for info! i've seen the girls at local comps (via youtube), they are not bad. my take on this: Valieva's chances of getting to the top are much higher than Khromykh, but let's hope they both do well.
 
Mad for Skating said:
I see, that makes sense. Not to mention with the whole scandal behind Plushenko right now, I think going back to Buyanova is best.
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Am not quite sure what is the current scandal nor how the scandal or a lack of such makes the smaller rink an olympic sized rink
 
TAHbKA said:
Am not sure at this case Kovtun had much choice - being in Pluschenko's academy under his `best friend Pluschenko' after all that was said in the press by Kovtun and by Pluschenko about each other does not sound like a good idea. Also AFAIK Pluschenko's academy doesn't have a full size rink and am not sure Kovtun's technique of `going full speed, putting his nose on the ice and taking off' for the quads does not demand the 60m ice. Belonging to TSKA it made sense he remained there and Buyanova is still (AFAIK) the head coach there. So why not...
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I agree with you that wouldn't be a good idea. Plushenko has more than 60 pupils mostly little skaters and 7-8 coaches..Thus he can go to shows they are working instead of him, they can take down the basis. He couldn't do it with Kovtun. I really don't know what is his agreement with Adelina..
Otherwise Kovtun already performed on one of Plushenko shows. And they have a bet who will be the winner at OG Zhenya or Alina. I think they are in good relationships now.
 
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Ka3sha said:
Aliona Kostornaia and Anna Scherbakova in the dance class
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thanks! Scherbakova is a talented dancer, following instructions, and is concentrating on dance moves which she does quite well. Kostornaia is a lot of "show, posturing, attitude", and not enough flexibility, precision, fluidity in her moves. She should listen to the coach's instructions more instead of "enjoying herself in the mirror"..
 
Tinami Amori said:
thanks! Scherbakova is a talented dancer, following instructions, and is concentrating on dance moves which she does quite well. Kostornaia is a lot of "show, posturing, attitude", and not enough flexibility, precision, fluidity in her moves. She should listen to the coach's instructions more instead of "enjoying herself in the mirror"..
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Kostornaya is amazing, too!
 
rfisher said:
I would be thrilled for Kovtun to have just one season skating to his full potential
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I don't think that will happen, unfortunately. Maxim Kovtun is a talented skater, but I think he was not working hard enough consistently. To me it seemed like he was slacking off and then tried to catch up, overdid it, suffered an injury etc. And even when he landed his jumps once in a while his programs and his overall skating were not at the same level as of the top skaters. To me, Mikhail Kolyada and Dmitri Aliev have far more potential. But now they have secured a third spot at Worlds, maybe that inspires Maxim and the others. But none of these men are consistent in competition.
 
Eislauffan said:
I don't think that will happen, unfortunately. Maxim Kovtun is a talented skater, but I think he was not working hard enough consistently. To me it seemed like he was slacking off and then tried to catch up, overdid it, suffered an injury etc. And even when he landed his jumps once in a while his programs and his overall skating were not at the same level as of the top skaters. To me, Mikhail Kolyada and Dmitri Aliev have far more potential. But now they have secured a third spot at Worlds, maybe that inspires Maxim and the others. But none of these men are consistent in competition.
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I think Erokhov (now 18) will be transferring from Jr. to Sr., and a more likely candidate for the 3rd spot.
 
Eislauffan said:
I don't think that will happen, unfortunately. Maxim Kovtun is a talented skater, but I think he was not working hard enough consistently. To me it seemed like he was slacking off and then tried to catch up, overdid it, suffered an injury etc. And even when he landed his jumps once in a while his programs and his overall skating were not at the same level as of the top skaters. To me, Mikhail Kolyada and Dmitri Aliev have far more potential. But now they have secured a third spot at Worlds, maybe that inspires Maxim and the others. But none of these men are consistent in competition.
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I know. Sigh. Between unfortunate circumstances and his work ethic, he's just never quite been there. The pressure on the Russian men to come up to the current level of the ladies is difficult. There are talented skaters who just aren't good competitors. Yet. But, there is always hope! Delusional hope, may be, but hope none the less. :)
 
Tinami Amori said:
I think Erokhov (now 18) will be transferring from Jr. to Sr., and a more likely candidate for the 3rd spot.
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Yes, Alexei Erokhov has said that he will move up to seniors (he has one year of junior eligibility left, but feels it is time to move up, and he has won Junior Worlds, so what else could he achieve except for a medal at the Junior Final?). Alexei is for sure one of the contenders, but there are actually quite a lot: Alexander Samarin, Sergei Voronov (if he indeed stays in), Alexander Petrov (who seems to be on the comeback trail) ...

It was interesting this season to see that the Russian men are improving results-wise. There was a Russian man on the podium in five of six GP events (2x Kolyada, 2x Voronov, 1x Samarin), two men were in the Final (Kolyada, Voronov), two were on the podium at Europeans (Aliev, Kolyada), then they won the first World medal since 2011 (Kolyada) and secured three spots for Worlds for the first time since 2004. Kolyada and Aliev were also in the top ten at the Olympic Games. It was not a bad year for them and hopefully this success will motivate them. Right now I think only Kolyada and Aliev are competitive at the highest level, but I believe they will push the others.
 
I know I'm super late, but what did Plushenko and Kovtun have a fight about? They said stuff about each other to the press?
 
aemeraldrainc said:
I know I'm super late, but what did Plushenko and Kovtun have a fight about? They said stuff about each other to the press?
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Pluschenko was asked about "future of Russian men skaters" and he said back April 2014 that Kovtun is "a good, but not great"... or "mediocre" in other words; yet he praised Hanyu and called him "future of men's skating" and congratulated Menshov and Voronov for European medals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IseZi9mb2Ag

Plus the issue with Plushy's Oly participation and supposedly taking Kovtun's spot. Plus in 2016 Pluschenko said that Kovtun is not progressing fast enough, etc.
 
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