Figure Skating Videos vs Youtube

[misskarne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq1bq64gGAk

Thankyou. But I notice that was only reuploaded 5 days ago. The original clip is long since zapped. And for some skaters, that could mean the moment - forgive the pun - is missed.

Friendly reminder that fsvids.net still exists. You may need to upload a certain number of videos to get in. I haven't gone there in a very long time, but I see that there are new videos there, including 2019 Euros.

There are many good points raised in this thread, but realistically the ISU is not going to restructure their exclusive broadcast agreements and the networks are not going to stop taking down videos. Talking about it really doesn't help. If you're motivated to change things, you could download the existing videos from youtube using a free program like jdownloader (which allows you to download an entire channel at once) and then upload them to other servers and post on fsvids; they have threads organized by competition or by skaters/disciplines. If you like a particular skater/team, you could scour youtube to find the best HD videos with minimal commentary, save those, and reupload them somewhere. All of this can be done for free and with virtually no technical knowledge necessary. If you wanted your own backups you could buy a 1TB hard drive (which is a huge amount of space) for about $50, plug it into a USB port and save copies of the videos there.

If you do have technical knowledge, you could do things like download whole torrents of competitions and then cut them into individual skaters performances and upload those. Or you could convert your existing tapes to video clips.

Youtube was far more convenient as a user, of course, and more interactive and fun, but clip trading existed before that (who remembers iceroom and rinkside?!) and tape trading existed before video clips.

I agree, generally speaking - except that this angle is pointed more towards already die-hard fans, rather than hooking in casual viewers. I doubt Jason Brown's Riverdance FS would have got 4 million views if it required people to sign up to a closed site and download it. I doubt Jimmy Ma would have got half so much attention for the Turn Down for What program if people had to actively search it out. The ease of passing Youtube videos around is what the sport needs.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Thankyou. But I notice that was only reuploaded 5 days ago. The original clip is long since zapped. And for some skaters, that could mean the moment - forgive the pun - is missed.

oh, i was not suggesting "it was there the whole time". i saw your post and remembered there is a good site that has lots of missing ones.

 

[pat c]

I agree, generally speaking - except that this angle is pointed more towards already die-hard fans, rather than hooking in casual viewers. I doubt Jason Brown's Riverdance FS would have got 4 million views if it required people to sign up to a closed site and download it. I doubt Jimmy Ma would have got half so much attention for the Turn Down for What program if people had to actively search it out. The ease of passing Youtube videos around is what the sport needs.

Plus how many people use ipads or surfaces etc now. You're not going to want to d/l if that's the kind of computer you're using. You just want to watch that program or that competition. I converted my vhs tapes to dvd's quite a while back. Rather than find a certain comp or performance on my dvds, I'm lazy I'll go to youtube. And if I'm doing it, and I"m a die hard..........

 

[KatieC]

I might regret pitching almost all my skating VHS tapes just two weeks ago. They started in 1988.

 

[skatesindreams]

I have envisioned when a skating event ever takes place in one of Vancouver's suburbs (as I live too far away from the actual city and will never afford to live within it), I would host an FSU get together, where I would play dvds of old skating events.

If you decide to do that, let me know.
I'll be there!

 

[Rhino]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq1bq64gGAk

Thankyou. But I notice that was only reuploaded 5 days ago. The original clip is long since zapped. And for some skaters, that could mean the moment - forgive the pun - is missed.

Interesting that this video was uploaded on the 12th March, literally just over a month since the end of 4 Continents - perhaps some broadcaster's Youtube rights which was blocking the original has now expired.

If this is the case why couldn't the video be uploaded onto a ISU 4 Continents channel and be preserved for all time - the video or its channel may yet get deleted due to the copyright claims from the likes of SBS in Korea which AFAIK have been causing all the trouble - basically 3 strikes and you lose your entire channel including the old stuff that no one is interested in anymore.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

As an Australian skating fan, I wouldn’t even be barely able to know about the sport unless it was for YouTube.

Me, too.

For many years until YouTube, the best I could hope for each year was Channel Nine in Australia screening highlights from Europeans, US Nationals and Worlds. That equated to a combined total of 4 hours coverage, often screened weeks if not months after competitions had taken place.

 

[Japanfan]

Half of my condo is filled with my skating dvds. I don't really watch skating online. Due to time constraints and the dwindling number of people who still record stuff on TV, I have not traded with anyone in ages. And man, I would love to trade with an American and their Olympic Channel coverage. I have envisioned when a skating event ever takes place in one of Vancouver's suburbs (as I live too far away from the actual city and will never afford to live within it), I would host an FSU get together, where I would play dvds of old skating events.

If an event did take place near to where you live, get-togethers would be all about the event.

It would be better to plan a get-together just to watch old DVDs.

I could contribute a collection of DVDs (most converted from videotape) covering 1988-2003, although most of what I've got is 1998/99 to 2003. I've even got a few episodes of Debbi Wilkes' 'Ice Time'. I stopped collecting in 2003 because it seemed that You Tube was providing adequate access to FS.

In retrospect, this may have been an oversight

Maybe skating dvds and tapes will make a comeback, like vinyl.

Could be.

 

[Frau Muller]

If an event did take place near to where you live, get-togethers would be all about the event.

It would be better to plan a get-together just to watch old DVDs.

I could contribute a collection of DVDs (most converted from videotape) covering 1988-2003, although most of what I've got is 1998/99 to 2003. I've even got a few episodes of Debbi Wilkes' 'Ice Time'. I stopped collecting in 2003 because it seemed that You Tube was providing adequate access to FS.

In retrospect, this may have been an oversight



Could be.

I’m still gobsmacked that some people don’t see the difference between OWNING HIS OWN COLLECTION ON SHELVES and clicking on YouTube. Sad that folks don’t see the difference between owning you very own physical copy in your house and having access to something out on a cloud. Same thing with books - your own book that you can hold. Yours. Forever.

There’s something sad and ugly (and socialistic) about not being allowed to OWN YOUR ITEM. Society is going downhill.

 

[starrynight]

I remember when CDs were still a thing, the second hand music store at my university used to have these old CDs which were actually bootlegs from concerts from the 80s for bands like U2 etc. So people used to make their own recordings of the concerts and they would then be sold on. But as far as I'm aware at that time (at least in my country) there was no copyright in live performances ... so there was no issue with the bootlegs. Things have changed now though.

If the ISU sold DVDs or downloads of competitions, I'd certainly be interested in purchasing those. But that isn't an option.

 

[aftershocks]

I'm glad to hear fsvids is getting more activity lately,

Perhaps fsvids is becoming more active lately as a reaction to what's been happening with Youtube skating videos and channels.

TBH, we all have to make choices regarding our time. Youtube has been a convenient method to check in and to enjoy every so often. It might not be technically challenging for some people to learn video downloading and uploading skills, but there is the investment of the time element. I had so many VHS tapes over the years that I finally had to get rid of instead of continuing to lug around and to pay for storage along with other items, mostly books. My grand plans to convert VHS skating videos to DVD alas, did not get off the ground.

Even owning loads of books is becoming a thing of the past. Again, it's about making choices and understanding the finite nature of our existence in this universe. You eventually have to make arrangements to pass on your stuff, sell, donate, or discard. We can't own anything but who we are, after all. And I guess it's hard for many to accept the fact that, We can't take ephemeral possessions with us. Actually, some of our possessions may end up lasting for centuries maybe, but we won't physically. Although, some of us possibly might leave something lasting behind simply in giving back to others in our families and communities, or in being creative artists, performers, athletes, thinkers, doers, etc.

Thanks to all those skating fans who provide invaluable service to others!!!

 

[starrynight]

I read something where some historians commented that there may be difficulties in the future with understanding this period of history because of a lot of our information is in easily lost digital formats. Unlike 300 year old books or stone tablets thousands of years old, anything from a couple of decades ago stored on a floppy disc is already probably lost forever.

 

[Orm Irian]

I read something where some historians commented that there may be difficulties in the future with understanding this period of history because of a lot of our information is in easily lost digital formats. Unlike 300 year old books or stone tablets thousands of years old, anything from a couple of decades ago stored on a floppy disc is already probably lost forever.

It's already proving to be a serious problem for archivists. Collections are constantly having to update their formatting because the technology needed to play old formats is no longer available, and even if they have the right technology in their collection, if it breaks down it can't be repaired any more - the parts needed are so hard to source, if it's even possible.

 

[starrynight]

It's already proving to be a serious problem for archivists. Collections are constantly having to update their formatting because the technology needed to play old formats is no longer available, and even if they have the right technology in their collection, if it breaks down it can't be repaired any more - the parts needed are so hard to source, if it's even possible.

I know that this is a bit off topic, but this goes some way to explaining how a situation like where technology originally had by the Romans was lost and wasn't rediscovered for thousands of years could happen again.

 

[KaitlynB123]

Wow, I thought that there would be way more skating shown in Canada! On Xfinity in the USA, we have NBCSN (for free) or Olympic Channel (paid) for individual events like Men's Short etc..

Considering in Canada, for example, very little skating is shown on TV. CBC has the rights for any event that doesn't take place in Canada and they livestream everything and then do highlights later. I think they show some stuff live but since I haven't been able to watch CBC TV actually live in years I'm not sure how much of it is live.

CTV/TSN has the rights for events in Canada but they don't livestream for free so I don't really know what their deal is.

 

[Amy L]

wrong thread

 

[jenniferlyon]

I read something where some historians commented that there may be difficulties in the future with understanding this period of history because of a lot of our information is in easily lost digital formats. Unlike 300 year old books or stone tablets thousands of years old, anything from a couple of decades ago stored on a floppy disc is already probably lost forever.

Somewhere, I still have two novels I wrote in the 1990s on floppy disc. Fortunately, I printed up paper copies. (Not that I ever intend to publish either of these books, but I don't want them to be "lost.")

 

[Amantide]

It seems the Internet is undergoing a revolution in many aspects. TV networks, photo agencies, magazines, etc. are now taking action against those who "steal" their videos, photos and articles and post them on their social media sites to get hits - and in many cases to make money off material they do not own.

AFP has now hired an agency that uses bots to scour the Internet and track its photos. When the bots find them on sites that did not pay for them, the agency sends a letter to the infringing party citing a copyright violation and demands a hefty payment. They don't care how someone got the photo(s) - they only care that the photo(s) were used without AFP permission and the person who used them has to pay.

It's a changing world.

Can you really make money though? I don't know how it works with pictures but I up load documentaries in my YT channel, and I've made some few videos using LOTR soundtrack for example. But I cannot nomentize on them (not that I ever wanted to but that's not the point). There are no viewing restriction but the owner will monetize on them through the ads.

 

[Amantide]

I'm not a fan of modern-day figure skating, so Youtube is a fantastic way for me to see all those old performances from the 90's and early 00's. One of my favorites was a video of M&D's Liebestraum performance at the 92 Olympics. The fact that it had no commentary made it very special. Now the video is gone. That is one of the many videos I used to watch that have disappeared. It's really frustrating.

Check out this channel too. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRGQRbgzE3Zxvni14jqIg2g/videos

 

[Amantide]

There are torrents of skating competitions? Can I ask where? I wonder if people still use IRC, which I never figured out how to use before everything moved to Youtube.

I'm glad to hear fsvids is getting more activity lately, it was nearly dead the last time I logged on.

I found some torrents on closed torrent groups. I've downloaded the 2018 OLY from BBC, with analysis and commentary from Robin Cousins but I can't upload that on YT. I opened an account on BitChute and see if it's easier there.

I'm not sure how active fsvids is, but I was pleasantly surprised there was anything new on there at all, and certainly FSUers could make it active again.

Torrents are available on rutracker.org in Russian of course, but navigable with google translate.

How can I use and upload videos on fsvids?

 

[Japanfan]

I’m still gobsmacked that some people don’t see the difference between OWNING HIS OWN COLLECTION ON SHELVES and clicking on YouTube. Sad that folks don’t see the difference between owning you very own physical copy in your house and having access to something out on a cloud. Same thing with books - your own book that you can hold. Yours. Forever.

There’s something sad and ugly (and socialistic) about not being allowed to OWN YOUR ITEM. Society is going downhill.

The thing is: creating the collection takes so much time. I used videotapes until 20?? and then converted all of those to DVD. It took hours and hours over a period of months.

Since You Tube is/was such a convenient source, I pretty much never play my DVDs.

I figured that one day when I am old and ill watching all those tapes/DVDs would be uplifting and a wonderful way to pass the time. But although DVDs seem to be sticking around, they are going to be replaced by another technology at some point. Getting a DVD player might become difficult.

 

[Frau Muller]

The thing is: creating the collection takes so much time. I used videotapes until 20?? and then converted all of those to DVD. It took hours and hours over a period of months.

Since You Tube is/was such a convenient source, I pretty much never play my DVDs.

I figured that one day when I am old and ill watching all those tapes/DVDs would be uplifting and a wonderful way to pass the time. But although DVDs seem to be sticking around, they are going to be replaced by another technology at some point. Getting a DVD player might become difficult.

I have 5 new multi-system DVD players stacked up!!! All tapes converted to DVDs in 2004...yes, it took months on weekends & nights. So I’m all set for retirement in a couple of years, although I’ll try to work as long as I can.

 

[Frau Muller]

The thing is: creating the collection takes so much time. I used videotapes until 20?? and then converted all of those to DVD. It took hours and hours over a period of months.

Since You Tube is/was such a convenient source, I pretty much never play my DVDs.

I figured that one day when I am old and ill watching all those tapes/DVDs would be uplifting and a wonderful way to pass the time. But although DVDs seem to be sticking around, they are going to be replaced by another technology at some point. Getting a DVD player might become difficult.

p.s. In my case, I watch them a lot, such as when checking on a historical competition or film mentioned by some of our fellow FSUers who write historical blogs (N_Halifax included). I also prepared a catalogue, without which a library is almost useless.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Perhaps fsvids is becoming more active lately as a reaction to what's been happening with Youtube skating videos and channels.

TBH, we all have to make choices regarding our time. Youtube has been a convenient method to check in and to enjoy every so often. It might not be technically challenging for some people to learn video downloading and uploading skills, but there is the investment of the time element. I had so many VHS tapes over the years that I finally had to get rid of instead of continuing to lug around and to pay for storage along with other items, mostly books. My grand plans to convert VHS skating videos to DVD alas, did not get off the ground.

Even owning loads of books is becoming a thing of the past. Again, it's about making choices and understanding the finite nature of our existence in this universe. You eventually have to make arrangements to pass on your stuff, sell, donate, or discard. We can't own anything but who we are, after all. And I guess it's hard for many to accept the fact that, We can't take ephemeral possessions with us. Actually, some of our possessions may end up lasting for centuries maybe, but we won't physically. Although, some of us possibly might leave something lasting behind simply in giving back to others in our families and communities, or in being creative artists, performers, athletes, thinkers, doers, etc.

Thanks to all those skating fans who provide invaluable service to others!!!

I'm reminded of when I shifted at the end of 2016 from a house share.

I only had one room to myself, but I was shocked by how much stuff I had acquired over the previous decade.

Moving was such a chore, and I got rid of a lot before shifting, that I realised how little I actually need.

Books and DVDs are my weakness, though.

 

[muffinplus]

It's interesting that some search results for Worlds videos are blocked in Japan (I'm there now), but if I use VPN I can find Papadakis and Cizeron's FD and RD.

 

[Johnny_Fever]

The big shame is also the loss of older skating programs. I was trying to locate some programs from the Kerrs and they are no longer there

A lot of skaters who were televised prior to the internet probably got more views on YouTube than they ever did on TV. They probably get a kick out of being uploaded.

 

[Rock2]

This is why I always swear by maintaining a collection of good ol’-fashioned DVDs...40 yrs of skating history at my fingertips, in my personal library! Ditto my 3,000+ classical ballet rarities and treasures, most first-generation originals.

YouTube, to me, is a one-time way of seeing a particular skate soon after it happens. (Thanks, Braulio!) I never depend on it as a substitute for a long-term library. A library with films that can be savoured from my sofa, in total comfort, not relying on a computer and wires (or flash drive or TiVo sort of thing).

(Given the nature of this discussion, do you not see a discreet little entrepreneurial opportunity for yourself??)

 

[Frau Muller]

(Given the nature of this discussion, do you not see a discreet little entrepreneurial opportunity for yourself??)

I wish I could, legally. Sigh.

At least I get to share highlights of my dance collection in Dance/Ballet Appreciation courses that I teach at area colleges.

 

[WillyElliot]

I have a closet full of VHS tapes, starting with some of 1988, and probably ending at 2006. Not sure what shape they are in, since I don't have a VHS player anymore.

I had easily over 100 VHS tapes, probably even more than 200!! It killed me to throw them in the trash, but I no longer had a vcr. I had offered them for free to anyone on whatever message board I was on back then, and no one wanted them either. Now I just watch on YT, keeping my fingers crossed they won't be taken down.

 

[skatesindreams]

How can I use and upload videos on fsvids?

Go to fsvids.net and follow the instructions there.
E-mail the address given with details of username and temporary password required.

An administrator will respond to you.
Access had to be "restricted" due to spammers and similar, attempting to abuse the site.