Frau Muller
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TSL now reporting that Coughlin resigned as Brand Manager at John Wilson Blades. JW Blades’ Notice posted on their FB.
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I agree with letting the process unfold.FWIW I think Safesport's mandate includes bullying and harassment as well as sexual abuse. Also, per @VIETgrlTerifa comment in the thread about the other coach, there were a lot of parents and others who said Larry Nassar couldn't have possibly done anything wrong to anyone because he never did anything to their kids.
Let the process unfold and see what evidence emerges.
I have a concern about how long a SafeSport investigation can last. Using the search tool on the SafeSport website ( https://safesport.org/userviolations/search ), there is one other person listed under the same interim restriction as Coughlin's when 'Figure Skating' is typed in the Sport box:“The Center has a number of tools at its disposal during an investigation, including the ability to issue interim measures,” SafeSport spokesman Dan Hill said in a text message to USA TODAY Sports on Monday afternoon. “The Center may issue an interim measure(s) for any number of reasons, but typically they are used before a matter is final. As each matter comes with its own unique set of circumstances, the specific disciplinary actions/sanctions in place on any given matter varies.”
From Brennan's article:
I have a concern about how long a SafeSport investigation can last. Using the search tool on the SafeSport website ( https://safesport.org/userviolations/search ), there is one other person listed under the same interim restriction as Coughlin's when 'Figure Skating' is typed in the Sport box:
Steve Moore Interim Measure - Restriction
West Hartford, CT
Figure Skating
Adjudicating Body U.S. Center for SafeSport
Decision date 10/08/2018
Allegations of Misconduct Interim Measures
AFAIK, Moore is a national level official (technical specialist in singles/pairs) and he also is currently listed online as a coach at Champions Skating Center / Inside Edge Figure Skating Academy in Cromwell, Connecticut. Three months have passed since he was added to the SafeSport website and a final decision has yet to be reached.
Coughlin's decision date is listed on the SafeSport website as 12/17/2018. I wonder how long he will be "in limbo" especially now that he has resigned from his John Wilson/MK Blades job which may have been a main source of income for him?
These processes are not usually quick, unfortunately. That is why they place the interim measures on, to protect the community, and allow the person against whom allegations have been made to continue to work, if appropriate.
This makes me wonder if TSL is enough of a name, that they could be sued for defamation?
Really, that's what TSL is saying? That may be how people who follow gymnastics react now, but it definitely was not the case when allegations about Nassar and others first started to come out. Anyone who followed the story knows that the gymnasts who came forward were shunned and ignored for years. That's how it became such an enormous scandal.Much of the ensuing discussion was about how society treats skating issues differently from gymnastics. From his observation when something like this happens in gymnastics people comment on how much of a problem this is and athletes to be protected.
I would rather that innocents are put in uncomfortable situations (by untrue allegations) than predators go free.
Hopefully the investigation is sound, and if a person is innocent they will be cleared, and if guilty they will be prosecuted.
I don't think a person's behavior when TV screens are rolling or many people are gathered tells the whole story. I will leave judgement of guilt or innocence to the investigators.
There's a very good reason why people should be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
There's more to John being a nice person than what he's done in front of cameras or large groups. I met John years ago, and he was absolutely lovely to me when he didn't have to be. Furthermore, everyone I know says similarly.I don't think a person's behavior when TV screens are rolling or many people are gathered tells the whole story.
Really, that's what TSL is saying? That may be how people who follow gymnastics react now, but it definitely was not the case when allegations about Nassar and others first started to come out. Anyone who followed the story knows that the gymnasts who came forward were shunned and ignored for years. That's how it became such an enormous scandal.
I think it's too early to judge the skating world's reaction in this case.
My multiple interactions with him have been the same.There's more to John being a nice person than what he's done in front of cameras or large groups. I met John years ago, and he was absolutely lovely to me when he didn't have to be. Furthermore, everyone I know says similarly.
Disclaimer: I don't know if John's guilty. Hell, I don't even know what he's accused of. And I certainly think this should be investigated fully.
This is why, when filing a complaint against healthcare professionals, the complaints are not made public unless the investigation has found the conplaint to be warranted and sanctions issued. Safesport needs to do the same.
He was focusing on the reactions of people who follow him when he's shared news stories about this sort of thing among gymnastic coaches recently, vs the reactions of people following him to stories about skating people (like Coughlin).Really, that's what TSL is saying? That may be how people who follow gymnastics react now, but it definitely was not the case when allegations about Nassar and others first started to come out. Anyone who followed the story knows that the gymnasts who came forward were shunned and ignored for years. That's how it became such an enormous scandal.
I think it's too early to judge the skating world's reaction in this case.
How this works depends on the jurisdiction involved. Some regulatory bodies take the view that a professional could continue to commit abuse while the allegations are being investigated - so if the allegations are substantive enough for the complaint to be investigated, the person's ability to practice is restricted (e.g. can only do certain kinds of treatments, or can only work under direct supervision) until the complaint is resolved.
But it is still not made public at that time, which is key. I am a mental health counselor. Those of us who work in this field work with very unstable people. Imagine the damage that could be caused if every complaint was made public? Even if people are cleared and found innocent, people still tend to believe that that person did something wrong to be accused.
Again, it depends on the jurisdiction. I understand the reasons for not making it public, but in some areas the fact that there's an investigation going on is made public so that customers/clients can make an informed choice about who they want to deal with. To be clear, I'm talking about all kinds of professions, not just in the health field.
But it is still not made public at that time, which is key. I am a mental health counselor. Those of us who work in this field work with very unstable people. Imagine the damage that could be caused if every complaint was made public? Even if people are cleared and found innocent, people still tend to believe that that person did something wrong to be accused.