Dalilah Sappenfield suspended for "allegations of misconduct"

[Vagabond]

Sorry. Never read anything (that stuck in my brain) about her.....well, except she is really fat

This was a thread in Great Skate Debate that was active in October and November of last year.

TJ Nyman accused of rape (Dalilah Sappenfield accused of supporting him)

https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1314008816510476288 Note: Emma Tang who posted this says she was not one of the victims.

www.fsuniverse.net

You didn't post in it, but you did post in GSD during that time. I would be surprised if you didn't see the thread title, but I'm not surprised that it didn't stick in your brain.

 

[AxelAnnie]

This was a thread in Great Skate Debate that was active in October and November of last year.

TJ Nyman accused of rape (Dalilah Sappenfield accused of supporting him)

https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1314008816510476288 Note: Emma Tang who posted this says she was not one of the victims.

www.fsuniverse.net

You didn't post in it, but you did post in GSD during that time. I would be surprised if you didn't see the thread title, but I'm not surprised that it didn't stick in your brain.

OUCH! Little sticks in my brain at the moment. The URL does not work.

If I follow what you are saying, there was a thread in Great Skate Debate that I could have/would have/should have seen. So, someone I never heard of was accused of rape and was then supported by Dalilah Sappenfield. And I assume, since he was skating with Alona S. in June of 2021, he was not convicted of anything.

So, how is it bad that Sappenfield supported him? Aside from the obvious.....they are all scumbags?

 

[overedge]

So, how is it bad that Sappenfield supported him? Aside from the obvious.....they are all scumbags?

The SafeSport charges are against Sappenfield, not Nyman.

And if you have to ask why it's bad for a coach to support a skater who has been accused of assault and harassment by multiple other skaters.....do you really need this explained to you?

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

OUCH! Little sticks in my brain at the moment.

Perhaps it is time to log off for the evening,dear.

-BB

 

[Vagabond]

OUCH! Little sticks in my brain at the moment. The URL does not work.

If I follow what you are saying, there was a thread in Great Skate Debate that I could have/would have/should have seen. So, someone I never heard of was accused of rape and was then supported by Dalilah Sappenfield. And I assume, since he was skating with Alona S. in June of 2021, he was not convicted of anything.

So, how is it bad that Sappenfield supported him? Aside from the obvious.....they are all scumbags?

If you find the thread, which is easy to do, you will see that the first post links to a tweet accusing Sappenfield of being a "rape enabler." The victim was apparently one of Sappenfield's trainees.

And while Nyman hasn't been convicted of rape, he might still be.

 

[AxelAnnie]

If you find the thread (which is easy to do, you will see that the first post links to a tweet accusing Sappenfield of being a "rape enabler." The victim was apparently one of Sappenfield's trainees.

And while Nyman hasn't been convicted of rape, he might still be.

Well.............innocent until proven guilty. If he is as vile as said, why isn't he shunned?

 

[Firedancer]

Finally!!

 

[skatingguy]

Well.............innocent until proven guilty. If he is as vile as said, why isn't he shunned?

The USFS wants a Pairs medal, and there`s a train of thought that he was the male skater of the future.

 

[canbelto]

Sorry. Never read anything (that stuck in my brain) about her.....well, except she is really fat (which is not a great example to be setting for her skaters.

Ok ... that like totally isn't the point but whatever you do you

 

[overedge]

Well.............innocent until proven guilty. If he is as vile as said, why isn't he shunned?

You were just asking why it was bad for his coach to protect him. Maybe you answered your own question.

 

[MsZem]

Given the allegations revolving around Sappenfield I don't understand why she still had work in recent years, but at least with this suspension nobody will be able to go to her and people will be safe.

My heart goes out to the complainants. It was brave for them to come forward and must have been so hard to wait for the investigation to progress.

 

[canbelto]

I have a feeling when the allegations come out that this might be Steve Penny levels of bad.

 

[skatingguy]

Given the allegations revolving around Sappenfield I don't understand why she still had work in recent years, but at least with this suspension nobody will be able to go to her and people will be safe.

My heart goes out to the complainants. It was brave for them to come forward and must have been so hard to wait for the investigation to progress.

The USFS had told its skaters to move away from her last year, or was it two years ago now - I'm losing track of dates under our current circumstances.

 

[AxelAnnie]

Given the allegations revolving around Sappenfield I don't understand why she still had work in recent years, but at least with this suspension nobody will be able to go to her and people will be safe.

My heart goes out to the complainants. It was brave for them to come forward and must have been so hard to wait for the investigation to progress.

Couldn't agree with you more!

 

[AxelAnnie]

The USFS had told its skaters to move away from her last year, or was it two years ago now - I'm losing track of dates under our current circumstances.

And they were allowed to stay in harm's way?

 

[Karen-W]

The USFS had told its skaters to move away from her last year, or was it two years ago now - I'm losing track of dates under our current circumstances.

Yes, I recall Kayne/O'Shea moved away from her about a year ago. I can't recall if it was summer or early fall 2020 but weren't they sort of adrift/coach-hunting at Skate America last October? They were pretty much her last high profile senior level team, IIRC.

 

[Vagabond]

Yes, I recall Kayne/O'Shea moved away from her about a year ago. I can't recall if it was summer or early fall 2020 but weren't they sort of adrift/coach-hunting at Skate America last October? They were pretty much her last high profile senior level team, IIRC.

She had Savchenko/Nyman for a few weeks after that. Oy!

 

[Karen-W]

She had Savchenko/Nyman for a few weeks after that. Oy!

I know there was a press release but they didn't even have programs and certainly never skated in any competitions so perhaps we should call that an extended tryout rather than an actual pairing that ever go off the ground?

 

[skatingguy]

And they were allowed to stay in harm's way?

She hasn't had any USFS funded skaters in the past couple seasons.

 

[Frau Muller]

That I know of, she allegedly:

-Helped cover up allegations against TJ Nyman and John Coughlin

-Encouraged relationships between legal adult male skaters and much younger underage female skaters

-Herself engaged in inappropriate relationships with much younger male skaters

-Committed some financial fraud or other illegal tax stuff (not 100% sure on this one)

Again, all allegations, but all really bad. I’m not sure what all 12 are, but I would assume those four encompass most of it. I’m also sure we’ll learn more soon about what the specifics are.
Rumor has it that TJ Nyman is also being investigated as part of the same investigation, so I would assume his status will be updated soon.

By now, Aljona must have received The Memo on this situation... ?

Thank goodness for the suspension! Finally!!

 

[Frau Muller]

She hasn't had any USFS funded skaters in the past couple seasons.

Right. Just a Jr Pair or two at 2021 Natls, if memory serves.

Didn’t Dalilah recently appear at the Cranberry Cup Int’l with the new Swedish pair, the Crafoords? Hopefully, they’ll be accompanied by another coach - Mishkutienok?- at the upcoming Nebelhorn Trophy.

 

[emilieh]

I know there was a press release but they didn't even have programs and certainly never skated in any competitions so perhaps we should call that an extended tryout rather than an actual pairing that ever go off the ground?

Something was official enough for a request to go the German skating federation for a release.

I think the release was to skate for the US, not just a general release(?)

 

[Bigbird]

How appropriate albeit late. Hopefully this will act as a deterent to others. Hope she has an epiphany.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Sad to think that in 2009, Why Why Why Delilah? was awarded Pairs' Coach Of The Year by the Professional Skaters' Guild of America. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[clairecloutier]

The USFS had told its skaters to move away from her last year, or was it two years ago now - I'm losing track of dates under our current circumstances.

It was Sept 24, 2020 when Kayne/O’Shea announced they had left Sappenfield. Finster/Nagy left around the same time. So just under a year ago.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFidBg5pzPU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

[wickedwitch]

Given the allegations revolving around Sappenfield I don't understand why she still had work in recent years, but at least with this suspension nobody will be able to go to her and people will be safe.

My heart goes out to the complainants. It was brave for them to come forward and must have been so hard to wait for the investigation to progress.

She still has international skaters.

 

[2sk8]

It's not even a temporary suspension. It's just some temporary restrictions based on allegations of misconduct, some of which seem to be pretty much the same as what Safesport requires anyway . Not really like a hammer slamming down, at least not yet. More likely highly litigated with support of her attorneys, and time just keeps marching on. And, yes, she still has international skaters who trained with her when they competed for the US, so...still waiting...

 

[taf2002]

plus victim denial they are being raped too. Most people who are raped don’t even admit to themselves

So you know "most people"? Sheesh!

 

[Rhumba d’Amour]

Right. Just a Jr Pair or two at 2021 Natls, if memory serves.

Didn’t Dalilah recently appear at the Cranberry Cup Int’l with the new Swedish pair, the Crafoords? Hopefully, they’ll be accompanied by another coach - Mishkutienok?- at the upcoming Nebelhorn Trophy.

Can confirm Dalilah was at Cranberry with the Crafoords—saw her with them there

 

[Carolla5501]

Oh, genius answer! So very helpful.....and adds so much to the conversation.

I wanted to know what kind of abuse. Did she flog them? Starve them? Keep them in a closet? Sexually abuse them? Shame them?

And does it really matter? Is there some type of abuse that you think is ok


But as a general rule, I have found that you get farther by being nice to people and insulting them because they didn’t spoonfeed you what you needed to know.