Canadian Ladies 2017-18 season news & updates

Rough outing for Gabbies LP. Twinkly version of Gladiator. For me the music seemed way to drab and depressing for her. Wish she skated to something with more power. She needs to mix things up (maybe next season she should go to Shaye for at least one of her programs). Higuchi's 007 LP would be perfect

It's early in the season so I'm sure her team will make the necessary improvements to the program. At this point even if she skated to Spartacus that would be a better move.
 
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To be honest I think Daleman should just scrap that LP. I’d rather her not go back to last season’s LP, but hey everyone is doing it so why not her too? :shuffle: At the end of the day she’s such a dynamic skater with explosive jumps so why not pick music that accentuates that instead of going the “softer” route.
 
Gabby's camp has been reluctant to use all of her tools and I'm not sure why.

She has athleticism and exotic, intoxicating beauty. I thought her junior short in the black tights (Avatar?) was such an interesting direction that should have been further explored. Disappointed it hasn't.

With that said, I found last year's long way too generic for her and this year's long a small step in a better direction. The music and choreo has the potential to be both elegant and strong. Skated to its full potential, I think it can make impact.

I suspect Gabby hasn't had a great summer. She tends to have ongoing health/injury issues and I think something along those lines has slowed her down some. She doesn't look nearly as fit as she did last year and may be playing catchup.

I'm hoping she makes great strides with her training and programs this fall and comes to nationals fully prepared and with a lot of fire. The grand prix may be a sacrifice of results along the way. We'll see.
 
Rock2 said:
I suspect Gabby hasn't had a great summer. She tends to have ongoing health/injury issues and I think something along those lines has slowed her down some. She doesn't look nearly as fit as she did last year and may be playing catchup.
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She definitely had to deal with some health issues early in the off-season - she had to leave the CSOI tour early for some kind of emergency surgery and was off the ice for at least a little while as per posts on her Instagram about missing training and being on the ice, etc.
 
Tough year for that to happen. I have said this repeatedly, but I wish NO injuries or health issues for any skater, especially in an Olympic year. I want to see everyone at their best and let the results fall in where they do.

I feel bad for her that luck isn't on her side. I hope she can be ready come nationals at least.
 
..not the "Gladiator" i expected from Gabbie. agree with all about too soft, music and choreo..... The costume is odd too.... i don't expect it to be "a replica of real armor" or "cheesy Halloween costume", but the lorica/ corselet should not have beaded paisley design... :lol:

Rock2 said:
Gabby's camp has been reluctant to use all of her tools and I'm not sure why.

She has athleticism and exotic, intoxicating beauty. I thought her junior short in the black tights (Avatar?) was such an interesting direction that should have been further explored. Disappointed it hasn't.
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100%!
 
DimaToe said:
To be honest I think Daleman should just scrap that LP. I’d rather her not go back to last season’s LP, but hey everyone is doing it so why not her too? :shuffle: At the end of the day she’s such a dynamic skater with explosive jumps so why not pick music that accentuates that instead of going the “softer” route.
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I just watched it and I agree. That program is not good. The music, the choreo, her movement. Even the costume isn't good. She also doesn't look very well trained.
 
I might be the only one here who believes in this LP. I think the beginning is stunning and she shows some good movements. I like this version of gladiator too and I think it suits her - loved the dress too.
I more think that the SP is the worse program...
 
figureskatingforlife said:
I might be the only one here who believes in this LP. I think the beginning is stunning and she shows some good movements. I like this version of gladiator too and I think it suits her - loved the dress too.
I more think that the SP is the worse program...
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I'm kind of with you. I had some tepid approval of the direction that I expressed earlier, which I think is an improvement of last year's program that I thought was too generic for her.

I'm ok with the dress and agree that the SP is the worse of the two programs. I used to think that Carmen was the gift that just keeps on giving, but suddenly this year I'm so over it. For Gabby it suits her look but not her skating or artistic style IMHO.

I think her inability to adequately prepare properly for this season is casting a pall over her first competition. Let's see how it looks on the GP.
 
I like both of Gabby's programs. I was expecting a softer Gladiator, but not that soft all the way through. Programs will look good when she is back on form.
 
Wow..... I did NOT expect so many people do share the opinion I had. In fact I wasnt going to say much about it but since others have.... I really found this cover of Gladiator to be music I would hear while shopping in a department store. Nothing of this program was what I expected...primarily because of this music.

I, too, found the costume a bit odd. I liked the colors but it didn't speak "Gladiator" enough for my taste. It was a bit too soft.

I didn't know tho about the emergency surgery she had this summer. Although my critiques aren't about her health its just about her music and styling.
 
ichiro said:
Rough outing for Gabbies LP. Twinkly version of Gladiator. For me the music seemed way to drab and depressing for her. Wish she skated to something with more power. She needs to mix things up (maybe next season she should go to Shaye for at least one of her programs). Higuchi's 007 LP would be perfect

It's early in the season so I'm sure her team will make the necessary improvements to the program. At this point even if she skated to Spartacus that would be a better move.
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Exactly. I was expecting something with more power for Gabby from both programs. Maybe it was some of the team around her trying to respond to the 'refined' critiques of her skating which were totally off base last season. I think Gabby needs to just continue doing what she does well in expressing who she is, and not try to fit into someone else's mold of what she's supposed to look like on the ice. That doesn't work for her.

The Gladiator cut I don't recall from the soundtrack. It's not what I was thinking of, but perhaps it can be tweaked a bit. Unfortunately, the sp music cut doesn't seem to work at all either musically or choreographically. Gabby seems lost instead of fearless and powerful. She was feminine, fearless and powerful in both her programs last season, and she doesn't need anyone trying to 'soften' her style.

It seems like these programs were a good idea on paper, but not in overall execution re concept and choreo. Neither program seems to fully enhance what Gabby does well. Maybe they were trying to go for lyrical, when they should probably stay with powerful and dynamic. I think it's terrible how Dave & Jonathan were so dismissive with snarky laughter on recent TSL broadcast, which did have some other interesting insights. But as usual there were too many unnecessary and cruel jabs.
 
I agree Gabby should work with Shae Lynn! Apparently Gabby has never worked with Shae, but she's been with Lori Nichol for both programs for the past 4 seasons. I don't know what happened since Lori should know who Gabby is by now you would think. Whatever they were trying for with these programs, they missed.

Where's Shae Lynn when she's needed? I say bring on the sass, the finesse and the power. No apologies. I am WOMAN, hear me ROAR. Lori has been doing both programs for Gabby for 4 seasons in a row? I think it's about time for a change. Shae Lynn, Jeff Buttle. Sounds about right for a switch, no?

This is the Gabby I've come to know and love:
http://www.tsn.ca/polopoly_fs/1.673...rivatives/landscape_620/gabrielle-daleman.jpg

http://www.eastgwillimburyshines.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gabby1-681x1024.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/78/36/8b/78368b059b2c8fd77232adbc830c4c47.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/8c/34/958c34112fce62766f52c0ccc3c16cea.jpg

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Checking out both Gabby's Finlandia programs again, I like the styling of her hair and costumes, although the sp dress is a bit too soft and delicate for portraying fiery Carmen. The problems begin with the fact that both music cuts are off-putting and just not right. Plus, the choreo in both programs doesn't do much, especially in the fp with that too quiet and dull music cut. I thought the sp started out okay, but then it didn't go anywhere. It became cutesy and frou-frou with the impossible lyrics. It's not the real Carmen that Gabby could surely pull off. And what happened to the height and distance on her patented 3/3?

These choices might have been better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RG_QStDbfU Carmen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-uzsfFjss Gladiator starting around 5:18 with appropriate cuts here and there

Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp0VZeJGBWQ Fury Road

Or some combo of these Max Richter compositions could be haunting juxtaposed with Gabby's power and intensity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77-hFjU5JU0 When she went away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TNt3Yu0AJ4 When she came back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gg7mugW-Jc Luminous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4SgNYeCgU She Remembers

Or this instrumental: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97VsvFW-MXc ;)

I love you, Gabby! (((Hugs)))
 
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Not the biggest fan of Gabby's LP, but it's fine. The arrangement is too "Amelie Lacoste", but I can see it working if skated lights out. It's the SP That I simply CANNOT STAND! WHY????? She goes from having my favorite ladies SP last season to THIS? :wall::wall::wall:
 
MR-FAN said:
Not the biggest fan of Gabby's LP, but it's fine. The arrangement is too "Amelie Lacoste", but I can see it working if skated lights out. It's the SP That I simply CANNOT STAND! WHY????? She goes from having my favorite ladies SP last season to THIS? :wall::wall::wall:
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Yeah, as I said earlier, maybe they could tweak the fp a bit, but the music is just dead in spots, and Gabby seems hesitant. I also don't like the lyrics that come in at different points. Gabby fell on cue twice in the fp when the unsettling lyrics turned up. You gotta love your music and be feeling it and understanding what you are about with it. If not, hesitation and uncertainty can set in. While the Max Richter music I suggested above is slow and quiet, it's very powerful in its composition and the way each piece builds. It could work with the right combination and cuts between several of those selections, though it would have to mean something to Gabby in order to work. Those choices might not be her style. Again, music choices should mean something for the skaters and be motivating. It doesn't work well if you're trying it because someone else thought it might suit you, but you're not feeling it.

The sp music is just no, especially with those lyrics. That's not the Carmen I was anticipating from Gabby. And the fall in the sp clearly was unhelpful, but it could have happened due to her uncertainty. The music was definitely not helping her.
 
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I think people were definitely expecting a high energy program from Gabby, and so soft is :confused:, but I feel that if she sticks with it, she can make it work. Maybe once the initial surprise of Gabby doing a soft program wears off, fans will warm up to it more.
 
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I saw Daleman's programs live and I'm afraid neither of her programs suit her. Both programs are very empty at the moment and would require more detailed and nuanced choreography to be effective but it might be too much for her to deal with. The SP would also need some fire and spark that was completely missing last weekend. The crowd was cheering for her before the SP but afterwards she only got short and polite applause. She didn't really perform.

At this point, it might be good for her to go back to the programs she had last season as they were better suited for her. In those programs she could just power her way through the programs without having to think details and choreography.
 
MR-FAN said:
The arrangement is too "Amelie Lacoste"
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Amelie Lacoste! :scream:

Gabby deserves so so so much better than programs suited for Amelie Lacoste, especially in an Olympic season. I totally agree with you, this could have been a Lacoste LP or easily another mediocre Lori Nichol Gracie Gold program...

I don't understand her team's strategy with the programs this season. She just came off a huge breakout year with programs that finally allowed her to perform and showcase her speed and power. So for an Olympic year we go for second -rate Lori Nichol programs? :huh:

I adore Daleman and hope she can grown into the programs as the season progresses, but she is capable of so much more!
 
I don't know the story of the movie - is Gabby portraying some soft, gentle female character? I think the program could work if she would add in some "bigger" music in the last minute or so - to make it build towards a climax at the end.
 
I see the well-worn red carpet has been rolled out for everyone's favorite choreographer, Lori Nichol. :barrel :saint:

Seriously though, I am giving these Gabby programs the benefit of the doubt, particularly the FS, and have the tendency to agree w/ @Marco's comment upthread.

As mentioned, maybe the fans will (eventually) warm up to the idea of soft. Also, Gabby's team is taking the brunt of the criticism, but is it possible that it was Gabby's choice to skate a soft (or softer) program?

I agree with some of the other comments suggesting that Gabby needs to feel completely comfortable and confident with her music for it to work. I hope that she is (or will be soon) especially if she is not entirely comfortable with it at this moment.
 
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Weve3 said:
I think people were definitely expecting a high energy program from Gabby, and so soft is :confused:, but I feel that if she sticks with it, she can make it work. Maybe once the initial surprise of Gabby doing a soft program wears off, fans will warm up to it more.
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It's not about fans 'warming up to it' because in order for that to happen, Gabby needs to truly feel motivated and committed to the music and choreo. She isn't there yet, and since the music is problematic (especially for the sp), the question is how to make it work, when she will have to work harder because the music is not helping her. There's nothing wrong with softer music if it's the right style and cut of music to go along with the choreo and to enhance what Gabby does best. The Max Richter selections I posted above are soft and quiet, but build with an intensity of emotion. I don't know if that music would work for Gabby or for figure skating choreo for a singles skater, but soft music can work if contrasted effectively with Gabby's power and intensity.

Gabby's last season's programs clearly motivated and inspired her. It seems as if she went along with these new experimental efforts in order to try something different that it may have been felt would help show off her elegance and refinement. I say Gabby's power is her elegance and Gabby's fierceness is her refinement, and we don't see either of these innate qualities being fully brought out and enhanced by her music. The lyrics are problematic in both programs. But Gabby's a fighter, so hopefully she makes it work, or better yet, hopefully she goes back to her last season's sp, and works on finding ways to tweak her fp to Gladiator, possibly by setting the choreo to a better music cut/version of Gladiator. There's still time.

I think the choreo for the sp is not so much the problem as it is the music selection.
 
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