Canadian Ice Dance 2016-17 season news & updates

I'm pretty sure G/P are just celebrating their record until Nationals rolls around and V/M get perfect scores(or close). Hence the "while it lasts". I'm not sure why this is causing so much controversy? Everyone gets higher scores nationally than internationally, that's always been the case, and G/P's closest competition here was not only far below their level, but also got extremely high scores, so at least it was consistent!

And please- ice dance is in no danger of losing its status as a sport, and if it were it wouldn't be because G/P got domestic overscoring just like every other skater. It's true that Canada's ranks are looking a little thin after the top three, but these things always come and go in cycles.
 
I'm pretty sure G/P are just celebrating their record until Nationals rolls around and V/M get perfect scores(or close). Hence the "while it lasts". I'm not sure why this is causing so much controversy? Everyone gets higher scores nationally than internationally, that's always been the case, and G/P's closest competition here was not only far below their level, but also got extremely high scores, so at least it was consistent!

And please- ice dance is in no danger of losing its status as a sport, and if it were it wouldn't be because G/P got domestic overscoring just like every other skater. It's true that Canada's ranks are looking a little thin after the top three, but these things always come and go in cycles.
 
chameleonster said:
I'm pretty sure G/P are just celebrating their record until Nationals rolls around and V/M get perfect scores(or close). Hence the "while it lasts". I'm not sure why this is causing so much controversy? Everyone gets higher scores nationally than internationally, that's always been the case, and G/P's closest competition here was not only far below their level, but also got extremely high scores, so at least it was consistent!

And please- ice dance is in no danger of losing its status as a sport, and if it were it wouldn't be because G/P got domestic overscoring just like every other skater. It's true that Canada's ranks are looking a little thin after the top three, but these things always come and go in cycles.
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Dream on......get out your calculator..one judge gave them all 9.75 all the way down...next increment is 10.00 - so at nationals do they give V/M all 10.00's....it is way too early in the season to be giving 10.00 to anybody. This goes way beyond domestic overscoring..P/G should not be getting anything over 8.50 if they are clean.And by the way the second team are brand new but both are experienced top rate dancers with good skating skills and are well matched.Hopefully next yr they will bypass G/P in international skating...forget domestic ...as G/P are obviously Skate Canada's darlings.
 
barbarafan said:
Dream on......get out your calculator..one judge gave them all 9.75 all the way down...next increment is 10.00 - so at nationals do they give V/M all 10.00's....it is way too early in the season to be giving 10.00 to anybody. This goes way beyond domestic overscoring..P/G should not be getting anything over 8.50 if they are clean.And by the way the second team are brand new but both are experienced top rate dancers with good skating skills and are well matched.Hopefully next yr they will bypass G/P in international skating...forget domestic ...as G/P are obviously Skate Canada's darlings.
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in case anyone is interested the brainless or corrupt judge who gave them 9.75 all the way down is Pam Chislett
 
We get it, you obviously don't like G/P. But most of us can appreciate all top dance teams and recognize that in all countries at local and national competition(especially the closer we get to Worlds), the inflation goes up. Last year at Nationals W&P got a string of 10s that of course we all know doesn't duplicate out on the international scene. If V&M or W&P skate just as clean and wonderfully as G/P did at challenge then I expect we will again see a string of 10s at Nationals.
 
There are a variety of different ways to look at and try to understand the scores of G&P, but at the end of the day, whatever scenario you go with, the Canadian judges aren't doing anyone any favors with those scores. Not G&P, not V&M. But that said, not to downplay what I'm sure (haven't watched) were solid skates from G&P, those scores essentially meaningless.

I *imagine* the purpose of these from the panel is to position them at the second place team to V&M. But I don't really think they will need these scores to achieve that. W&P may very well wind up beating them at Canadians, but I think it's just as likely the result is the other way around, which is why I'm a bit surprised at the overinflation. Judges should have kept it more accurate, so that whatever the result at Canadians, it looks legit.
 
Weaver/Poje should've done Challenge, if for no other reason than to build momentum and give another solid showing in front of the judges before Canadians.
 
princeton123 said:
Weaver/Poje should've done Challenge, if for no other reason than to build momentum and give another solid showing in front of the judges before Canadians.
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While it might have been beneficial to them in terms of performance, I think opting to do Challenge would have showed that they are trying to build momentum, whereas a top team in the world (although debatable based on this season), it makes them appear weak.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
I didn't see V/M or W/P at Challenges.

It seems to me that the judges are simply preparing for V/M to break the scoreboard at Nationals. Hence "While it lasts."
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But they're running out of room! If they were still far from the maximum scores then everyone getting inflated scores would simply be stupid. But when G/P are getting all but one level 4, 9.50-9.75 in pcs and mostly +3s in GOE, where is there left to go? What happens if V/M have a somewhat shaky (but not disastrous) skate? Either they'll get perfect scores for an obviously flawed performance, or else a team like G/P will be way closer than they should be or even beat them for the segment.

The same issue exists internationally, which has the effect of levelling out the teams, devaluing quality in favour of "clean," and making levels the main factor in the final ranking. It's a mess and I'm not sure what is to be gained by this constant score inflation.
 
MrMystery said:
While it might have been beneficial to them in terms of performance, I think opting to do Challenge would have showed that they are trying to build momentum, whereas a top team in the world (although debatable based on this season), it makes them appear weak.
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Normally the top ice dance teams in Canada do not do Challenge.It was a surprise that G/P did. If W/P had known they would do that maybe they could have arranged things to go.They were in the U.S. at a show the same weekend so are back from Russia. But then again maybe they would not have..Let the coming up teams take the medals and have the experience.
 
V/M have no worries. They are Canada #1. No one can match their skill. It doesn't matter what G/P did at Challenge.
W/P are very likely no 2, although they shot themselves in the foot scuffling to find a coaching team. They can be sloppy at times, but if Poje manages to stay upright on his twizzles, they are safely in at 2.
I have no idea why everyone seems to hate G/P. They are a creative team and work hard, but they lack the skill and elegance of V/M. They lack the natural talent and line of W/P. G/P can be precise and they are well trained. It would be an upset for them to overtake W/P, and hell would have to freeze over for them to beat V/M.
Why is everyone so worried????
G/P are being set up to be Canada # 1 AFTER V/M and W/P have retired.
G/P's Challenge scores had more to do with the other scores at Challenge than it had to do with plots to overthrow V/M or W/P.
 
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centerpt1 said:
W/P are very likely no 2, although they shot themselves in the foot scuffling to find a coaching team. They can be sloppy at times, but if Poje manages to stay upright on his twizzles, they are safely in at 2.

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Why is everyone so worried????
G/P are being set up to be Canada # 1 AFTER V/M and W/P have retired.
G/P's Challenge scores had more to do with the other scores at Challenge than it had to do with plots to overthrow V/M or W/P.
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I don't know. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if I were a hardcore W&P fan, I would be quite concerned with the way SC judges seem to be playing politiks this season. I wouldn't say W&P are "safely" number two at all right now. They got lucky that G&P didn't make the GPF over them, because if they had, that might've been enough international push to give SC judges a reason to further their promotion of G&P... but even with that piece of luck on their side, the push for G&P to rise up the ranks in a somewhat artificial manner seems to be a reality this season.
 
centerpt1 said:
V/M have no worries. They are Canada #1. No one can match their skill. It doesn't matter what G/P did at Challenge.
W/P are very likely no 2, although they shot themselves in the foot scuffling to find a coaching team. They can be sloppy at times, but if Poje manages to stay upright on his twizzles, they are safely in at 2.
I have no idea why everyone seems to hate G/P. They are a creative team and work hard, but they lack the skill and elegance of V/M. They lack the natural talent and line of W/P. G/P can be precise and they are well trained. It would be an upset for them to overtake W/P, and hell would have to freeze over for them to beat V/M.
Why is everyone so worried????
G/P are being set up to be Canada # 1 AFTER V/M and W/P have retired.
G/P's Challenge scores had more to do with the other scores at Challenge than it had to do with plots to overthrow V/M or W/P.
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I don't hate G/P. My main focus was the behaviour of the judging panel, which G/P don't control, and the lack of humility/entitled attitude based on their twitter behaviour. I have a great deal of respect for ALL skaters, since they ALL work very hard over many years, make tremendous sacrifices, their families make tremendous sacrifices, and usually with very little sponsorship or funding, in order to get to the Senior levels. The very least ALL these skaters deserve is a fair and even-handed judging system. Just follow the rules! There should be no setting anyone up for #1 after V/M and W/P retire. If G/P are the strongest team at that time, then they should be #1. However, if another team earns that position, then they should not be disqualified by some ridiculous notion of "waiting one's turn" or not being Skate Canada's "favourites".

And what happened this weekend was the judging panel not following the rules. It does not do G/P any favours, and it is an insult to ALL skaters.
 
dramagrrl said:
I don't know. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if I were a hardcore W&P fan, I would be quite concerned with the way SC judges seem to be playing politiks this season. I wouldn't say W&P are "safely" number two at all right now. They got lucky that G&P didn't make the GPF over them, because if they had, that might've been enough international push to give SC judges a reason to further their promotion of G&P... but even with that piece of luck on their side, the push for G&P to rise up the ranks in a somewhat artificial manner seems to be a reality this season.
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I am with you on that one..V/M is actually my number one team but I do like a care for other teams.W/P and G/P(G/P before this year)and lots of others.What i cannot tolerate is any kind of unfairness or foul means of obtaining anything..So right now I am not thrilled with G/P for other reasons than they did not deserve those marks (although they did receive the win)I think Carol Lane has come in for the kill on this one. According to TSL W/P really found they needed big changes to turn things around and they approached Carol Lane and she turned them down..But within their approach she now knew it was time to use her greatest skills. First off I believe a coach owes her allegiance to both members of a team..So to plan getting rid of a partner and get a new one behind their back and making it happen is not kosher in my book,,So Carol & Paul did their thing about Vanessa Crone (who I really think was amazing and I really liker her)..I just recently found out about that...Then last fall Carol in her commentaries was putting other couples down and pushing G&P down our throats. When T&S said they would compete this yr right away on national TV Carol saying (carefully) how upset the teams were,,it wasn't fair. And now how people are saying G&P have overcome their problems and they are the top team. Well people aren't saying and teams weren't upset...it was all Carol..now people are repeating like parrots every bit of BS that comes out of her mouth.Oh and look now they have the marks to back them up..I was not holding this nonsense against G/P themselves at all until all this tweeting and crowing since challenge. Now they could actually get away with gold or silver at nationals not because of their skills but because of underhand politicking.
 
Alexa Linden is reporting on the team FB page that Addison sustained a serious tibula & fibula fracture yesterday. He is having surgery to stabilize it today.
 
Rogueskater said:
Alexa Linden is reporting on the team FB page that Addison sustained a serious tibula & fibula fracture yesterday. He is having surgery to stabilize it today.
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So sorry to hear that,,Those are not good bones to fracture.pls keep us updated. They are such a great team.
 
Rogueskater said:
Alexa Linden is reporting on the team FB page that Addison sustained a serious tibula & fibula fracture yesterday. He is having surgery to stabilize it today.
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:( :( :(
Link (has x-ray of his fracture): https://www.facebook.com/alexanaddison/

I'm absolutely heartbroken, and incredibly sad to report to everyone that Addison slipped on ice outside his apartment yesterday, and sustained a serious fracture of both his tibia and fibula. He is having surgery today to have screws and pins in it to stabilize his leg.

I want to thank everyone who has helped us with fundraising. I have an incredible group of friends and family who have supported us though out the season. I'm incredibly grateful.

Alexa
 
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