2022 Olympic FS Team Event delayed medal ceremony - updates

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At least Sadovsky wasn’t on drugs.
That's the only requirement for an Olympic medal now. :lol: I've already said I'd rather no country got bronze. But I'd much rather see Russia getting Bronze than Canada. Those others weren't on drugs either (not proved anyway), and beat the Canadians across the remaining three disciplines.

You want to eliminate the weakest link, well you already eliminated the weakest link from Russia with Valieva. As long as the team event goes with this stupid way of calculating scores and medals, it's difficult to compare with other team events, no matter relay or gymnastics.

And I bet Valieva without drugs can still land more jumps than Sadovsky.
 
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That's the only requirement for an Olympic medal now. :lol: I've already said I'd rather no country got bronze. But I'd much rather see Russia getting Bronze than Canada. Those others weren't on drugs either (not proved anyway), and beat the Canadians across the remaining three disciplines.

You want to eliminate the weakest link, well you already eliminated the weakest link from Russia with Valieva. As long as the team event goes with this stupid way of calculating scores and medals, it's difficult to compare with other team events, no matter relay or gymnastics.

And I bet Valieva without drugs can still land more jumps than Sadovsky.
Just think if Russia would’ve selected Shcherbakova &/or Trusova to skate the women’s portions of the Team event…we wouldn’t be in this pickle now. The Team gold was all about Valieva’s drug…not the invasion of Ukraine… no matter how much some fans try to mix the two things.
 

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Just think if Russia would’ve selected Shcherbakova &/or Trusova to skate the women’s portions of the Team event…we wouldn’t be in this pickle now.
Really? I 100% believe there would have been calls to investigate Shcherbakova and/or Trusova after Valieva's drug case would have surfaced in this alternate timeline.
 

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Really? I 100% believe there would have been calls to investigate Shcherbakova and/or Trusova after Valieva's drug case would have surfaced in this alternate timeline.
Doping tests can be rechecked even after 10 years :shuffle:
 

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Doping tests can be rechecked even after 10 years :shuffle:
They can do it 🤷‍♂️ I don't care. But I don't wish to pretend, based on what we know now that I'd like to not see Canada getting the bronze. Much like, even if after repeated investigation Trusova had been proved to be clean (and as I recall, she and Kostornaia were the ones who were never rumoured to be on drugs of the Eteri girls) people would still say she was on drugs, and the agenda would be obvious as to why.
 
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Really? I 100% believe there would have been calls to investigate Shcherbakova and/or Trusova after Valieva's drug case would have surfaced in this alternate timeline.
You’re just assuming the worst. Either Scherbakova or Trusova would’ve passed the tests. Very different characters. (And both remain the reigning Olympic singles gold & silver medalists.) Eteri & the team blew it by going full-gang on Valieva, already knowing about the test’s results. Epitome of arrogance.

Valieva should’ve been kicked off the Oly team before the plane took off. Liza Tuk should’ve been on that plane. In retrospect.
 

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Imagine "thinking" there are "rules" that can be applied "fairly" in this case.

What was that entire discussion in the other thread again?
 

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here btw:
You're a lawyer. Can you point me to the specific team event rule that shows that invalidated results mean that everyone else should move up? Or the rule that deals with disqualifications from the team event?

Again, as far as I know, this doesn't exist. And it doesn't mean it defaults to rules for other events. And this is where the problem is going to be moving forward.

I eagerly await the rules that 100% exist to be applied fairly in this regard, after which the people who stand for fairness and standards can get back to touting their morality.

And about past precedent: past precedent can be changed.

And about "other sports" - they have their own rules. Skating has a different way of doing team events.

It's like bloody fanyus. "Let's make rules up in our own heads and then get mad over those "rules" not being applied "fairly"."
 

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I do not get why people think that Canada should be denied bronze simply because Sadovsky didn't skate well. It's not like he finished dead last in the SP. Those 3 points he earned there contributed to their total just as much as Karen Chen's 6 points contributed to the USA's total or Zhu Yi's 1 point in the SP contributed to China's total or Komatsubara/Koleto's 7th place RD and it's 4 points contributed to Japan's total. Should China have not advanced to the FS segment because of just how dismally Zhu Yi skated (arguably worse than Roman's SP)? Should Japan's silver be discounted because KoKo were so far out of their depth in the FD that they finished nearly 10 points behind Wang/Liu in 4th (who were outpaced by Gilles/Poirier's 3rd place by 17 points)?

The problem here is that the ISU did not treat the points earned by the women with the DSQ of Valieva the same as they did for the Men and Pairs in the very SAME EVENT when countries did not field a competitor. The fact that Valieva skated and Shmuratko and Hase/Seegert did not is irrelevant because the end result is that Russia was treated as though they did not have a competitor in the Women's event and their points reflect that fact. The rest of the Women's field's points SHOULD have been adjusted upward and they were not.

None of this has anything to do with how well Sadovsky skated or didn't skate.
 

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BTW, Brennan's follow-up tweet on June 6 said: "I emailed both the IOC and CAS for comment and more information yesterday. This will come as a shock to absolutely no one that they have not gotten back to me. 😉"

Per comments today from USOPC, apparently IOC is involved in "active conversations" about (possibility/planning for) figure skating medal ceremony in Paris ... as CAS outcome is awaited.
Quotes from USOPC Sarah Hirshland:

"And turning to figure skating, in a similar vein. As you all know, the CAS decision cleared the way for the athletes of Team USA, who skated so brilliantly in Beijing, to receive their gold medal. Based on the information we have from the IOC, and the ISU, the International Skating Union, the athletes of Team USA remain the rightful gold medal winners, and will be awarded the gold medals for the team event.​
In cooperation with our friends at U.S. Figure Skating, and our counterparts at the USOC, or at the IOC, excuse me, we have active conversations about a medal allocation ceremony taking place in Paris, during the 2024 games. That planning continues while the case is back at CAS under appeal, where further matters including the bronze and silver medal order, continue to be examined. And we're waiting for communication from them, before we can confirm our plans. We are focused on Paris, and we are planning for Paris, and we're eager for that celebration. And let me commit to all of you, any information we receive, when we receive it, will be shared with our athlete community first, and then certainly to all of you who are following this story."​

(ETA: Corresponding audio begins at approx. 13:00.)​

 
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I am going to be really ticked off at the CAS if they can't get this resolved in time for a Paris awards ceremony. Just ridiculous.
I wouldn't hold my breath. It was mentioned at the ISU Congress that the proposed hearing date for the COC/Skate Canada appeal was July 22 - I can't see CAS issuing their decision within a week and therefore giving the Canadians time to make the necessary travel plans to get to Paris by Aug 7. We should know the outcome of the ROC/RFSF appeal by then since their hearings were held on June 12.
 

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They really are intent on screwing the US and Japan yet again from getting their medals aren't they?
 

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They really are intent on screwing the US and Japan yet again from getting their medals aren't they?
We knew a couple weeks ago, during the ISU Congress, that CAS had proposed July 22nd for the COC appeal hearing. This just confirms that is the date everyone eventually agreed upon.
 

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Has there even been an official statement from the IOC and ISU that the US and Japan have been cleared to receive their medals, regardless of the decision on bronze? All I’ve seen is that US officials have been been told this is the case, according to their public statements.

Canada’s case itself doesn’t involve the US or Japan at all. Only Russia’s cases did.
 

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Has there even been an official statement from the IOC and ISU that the US and Japan have been cleared to receive their medals, regardless of the decision on bronze? All I’ve seen is that US officials have been been told this is the case, according to their public statements.

Canada’s case itself doesn’t involve the US or Japan at all. Only Russia’s cases did.
Nope. But we do know that the Russian appeals were heard earlier this month, on June 12th, so there seems to be a hope/expectation that CAS will issue its ruling for those appeals before this summer's Olympics - apparently CAS usually rules within 30 days of the hearing.

I suppose it is possible, if CAS rules quickly, on the Canadian appeal, that August 7th for the medal ceremony is still possible - I have never thought it all that likely. We shall see.
 

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