2021/2022 Canadian Pairs: News and Updates

livetoskate

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I was looking forward to seeing Eric & Vanessa, but boy was that slow music dreadful. It made them seem really slow, especially during the footwork toward the end. They look like 2 great skaters who happened to be thrown together to do pairs. The best thing was Vanessa's beautiful dress.
 

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They've been plagued with health problems the past two years, what we're seeing now isn't nearly as good as they were at their peak circa 2018-20.
True, but how long can one keep repeating that? They honestly weren't that bad in the Grand Prix- certainly not amazing, but some unusual errors such as not getting credit for a lift when it didn't go up immediately, etc. And then Nationals was a huge step up. This went back to cautious and he's fallen more on the entry to the throw jump than any pair skater I've ever seen (I think it's at 3, I'm sure someone else knows).

And that twist...
 

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They've been plagued with health problems the past two years, what we're seeing now isn't nearly as good as they were at their peak circa 2018-20.
Oh well I haven’t heard anything about that. There hasn’t been a lot of competition since worlds got cancelled though. I am sure all the older pairs do have some issues. One would think if it’s serious they would retire. But why does mike keep falling down on throws
 

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True, but how long can one keep repeating that? They honestly weren't that bad in the Grand Prix- certainly not amazing, but some unusual errors such as not getting credit for a lift when it didn't go up immediately, etc. And then Nationals was a huge step up.
Back problems like Michael's are like that, though, it's not something that is always an issue. Though between those and KMT's rib injury, etc., the twist (which was never their best element, but looked better than it ever had right before the pandemic hit) was permanently derailed into what it is now, for instance.
(I think it's at 3, I'm sure someone else knows).
It happened twice.
 

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Back problems like Michael's are like that, though, it's not something that is always an issue. Though between those and KMT's rib injury, etc., the twist (which was never their best element, but looked better than it ever had right before the pandemic hit) was permanently derailed into what it is now, for instance.

It happened twice.
 

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True, but how long can one keep repeating that? They honestly weren't that bad in the Grand Prix- certainly not amazing, but some unusual errors such as not getting credit for a lift when it didn't go up immediately, etc. And then Nationals was a huge step up. This went back to cautious and he's fallen more on the entry to the throw jump than any pair skater I've ever seen (I think it's at 3, I'm sure someone else knows).

And that twist...

True. I’m sick of the injury excuses. Tons of athletes/skaters/pairs skaters are injured.

I wonder if MT/M will bother with worlds. They have the worst twist of the entire competition, just embarrassing.

As for James/Radford, my god they looked painfully slow out there. I wonder if when they first started together 12th place is what they had in mind. Lol

On another note, I’m really sick and tired of Canadian pairs teams using slow, dreary ballads. Ugh!
 

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Back problems like Michael's are like that, though, it's not something that is always an issue. Though between those and KMT's rib injury, etc., the twist (which was never their best element, but looked better than it ever had right before the pandemic hit) was permanently derailed into what it is now, for instance.

It happened twice.

I wonder if they had motivation issues for training during the pandemic as well. Moore-Towers looked like she put on weight at worlds last year.
 

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Just me but I am a big fan of KMT and find her smile super engaging. Mike seems like a super guy and training with him would be fun. I am certainly not sure why this season has been such a struggle but I am so glad she discovered pairs and hope they can retire with a great sense of accomplishment.
 

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MT/M did as well as I expected given their injuries and the struggles they had this season and I'm glad they achieved a top 10 finish.
J/R however showed us exactly what their "scoring potential" is, and it is less than what Walsh/Michaud scored at 4CC a month ago (and W/M had major errors in the FS). What W/M did at Canadian nationals in both the SP and FS was better than what J/R produced this season and Skate Canada justified choosing J/R because of their scoring potential so good to see exactly what their worth is. The entire purpose of this partnership was for both to get a final trip to the Olympics, and while I understand it on a personal level, what a waste.
 

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True. I’m sick of the injury excuses. Tons of athletes/skaters/pairs skaters are injured.

I wonder if MT/M will bother with worlds. They have the worst twist of the entire competition, just embarrassing.

As for James/Radford, my god they looked painfully slow out there. I wonder if when they first started together 12th place is what they had in mind. Lol

On another note, I’m really sick and tired of Canadian pairs teams using slow, dreary ballads. Ugh!
On another note, I’m really sick and tired of Canadian almost all pairs teams using slow, dreary ballads. Ugh!

FIFY.
 

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It really is ridiculous to criticize Kirsten for that choice at this point. Dylan is happily retired, and she and Mike have made it to 2 Olympics, many World championships, and won lots of medals along the way. Yes, this season was disappointing, but she and Mike still accomplished a lot, and no point reliving the past now. Can you imagine what Canadian pairs would have been like the past 4 years without MT/M??
 

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I wonder if they had motivation issues for training during the pandemic as well. Moore-Towers looked like she put on weight at worlds last year.
:rolleyes:

It might be a good time to point out that KMT's contributions to Canadian pairs go beyond skating/competition:
 

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It really is ridiculous to criticize Kirsten for that choice at this point. Dylan is happily retired, and she and Mike have made it to 2 Olympics, many World championships, and won lots of medals along the way. Yes, this season was disappointing, but she and Mike still accomplished a lot, and no point reliving the past now. Can you imagine what Canadian pairs would have been like the past 4 years without MT/M??
This. Also, I suspect (but could be entirely wrong) that there may have been much more going behind the scenes with the MT/M1 split than what was made public. Even if they hadn't hadn't split, but stayed with the not-great Wirtz coaching team, Kirsten and Dylan may never have gotten any better than they were in 2014. Personally, I wish both Luba Ilyushechkina and Mark Bardei had had more success with their partnerships. Canuck pairs could use some Russian & Ukrainian know how.
 
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It is interesting that the Japanese team, also coached by Bruno, do not seem to have the typical struggles with the triple twist. In fact, I believe I heard a fluff piece where one of them stated it was (his?) favourite element. Also, a few junior CDN pairs teams have seemed to develope better twists. I wonder if this is because it was started differently. I know Meagan made a comment about wondering what it would have felt like to have been launched so high. I know she has stated that their extreme height difference actually worked against them.
 

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It is interesting that the Japanese team, also coached by Bruno, do not seem to have the typical struggles with the triple twist. In fact, I believe I heard a fluff piece where one of them stated it was (his?) favourite element. Also, a few junior CDN pairs teams have seemed to develope better twists. I wonder if this is because it was started differently. I know Meagan made a comment about wondering what it would have felt like to have been launched so high. I know she has stated that their extreme height difference actually worked against them.
Miura/Kihara's twist isn't that great and they lost levels on it in both the TE and the individual event. I think they need to get a specialist in to help with their twists (and for all the Canadian pairs) - it's helped the US teams a lot to have Nina Mozer working with them on the twist and lift elements.
 

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I don't know how injuries can be an excuse for KMT/Michael when the Olympic champions have been practically patched together with duck tape. Same goes for Alexa.

Their twist is simply awful. Why can't they fix it? Sui/Han don't even have much of a height difference and can do a quad twist of great quality. I have never seen a worse twist than KMT/Michael's. Why can't they learn it?

As for Eric/Vanessa... :shuffle: soooooo slow and painful to watch. Those two have so much pedigree on paper but why are they so slow? She's so slim and beautiful and he's a strong guy - why do their lifts look so ugly?

What happened to Canadian pairs?!
 

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Meagan Duhamel is doing an IG Live with Kelly Rippon right now and she just commented that she thinks now is the time for the Canadian pairs program to consider bringing in outside help, and she specifically referenced the help Nina Mozer has given the US pairs program. I really hope that Bruno is able to find someone who can come in and help improve the twists with his teams, at minimum.
 

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"Do what you want" as the statement to describe their team just seems like poorly chosen words from Vanessa. I will never be okay with her lack of concern for a young abused skater in Florida. She is not my kind of sportswoman and Eric has certainly not added to his illustrious legacy with this pairing. Not knowing or understanding what KMT and MM have gone through, I think it is unfair to compare their season and issues with any other pairs team.
 

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I don't know how injuries can be an excuse for KMT/Michael when the Olympic champions have been practically patched together with duck tape. Same goes for Alexa.

Their twist is simply awful. Why can't they fix it? Sui/Han don't even have much of a height difference and can do a quad twist of great quality. I have never seen a worse twist than KMT/Michael's. Why can't they learn it?
Because everybody's physical condition is different? Not every injury is something you can just work through. There's a reason that many skaters permanently lose the ability to do spin positions due to back injuries, for instance.

KMT & Michael's twist was the best it has ever been in the 2019-20 season after they spent the whole summer revising the technique from the ground up. But the pandemic and then all the injuries were a seemingly permanent reversal on that front.
As for Eric/Vanessa... :shuffle: soooooo slow and painful to watch. Those two have so much pedigree on paper but why are they so slow? She's so slim and beautiful and he's a strong guy - why do their lifts look so ugly?
Because they're both old and Eric's back is still a problem (in addition to the newness of their partnership).
 

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I think it is also noteworthy that we now know Jessica Dube retired not due to physical issues, as she had stated, but due to an out of control eating disorder. KMT has acknowledged similar issues. We just do not know what they are going through away from competition.
 

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Because they're both old and Eric's back is still a problem (in addition to the newness of their partnership).
Agreed. Eric’s back was an issue in the last Olympics, and four years later with a slightly taller and new partner isn’t going to be better.

They probably thought they’d be top 5 or 6 and then do shows. I can’t imagine they’ll be in that much demand at this point, maybe worse than if they’d just gone to shows.

Meanwhile Meagan is doing commentary and expecting her second child.
 

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Vanessa & Eric likely needed another year to gel, as I think we all knew from the beginning. We see pairs teams come together at a high competitive level much faster than dance teams, but still, it tends to take at least a second season.

Kirsten & Michael have had one of the strangest seasons, and I have a feeling we do not know the whole of it; but it does seem likely to me that an injury has played a significant role. (Getting vibes like Stolbova & Klimov after he couldn't pitch her into that twist anymore but no one on their team would acknowledge it). Anyway, whatever the cause (could be some mental health or coaching issues going on too?), it's really a shame because M-T&M were in a good place a couple years ago and while they didn't finish as high at Worlds as they undoubtedly would have liked, things were clicking & they had grown into the leadership role. My best wishes to them. And nothing will ever change my pov that Kirsten is a :kickass: pairs girl. Not their season, but she has had quite a career. Three Olympics and seven World Championships. Kudos.
 

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Agreed. Eric’s back was an issue in the last Olympics, and four years later with a slightly taller and new partner isn’t going to be better.

They probably thought they’d be top 5 or 6 and then do shows. I can’t imagine they’ll be in that much demand at this point, maybe worse than if they’d just gone to shows.
FYI: a lot of people who don't usually follow skating are very excited about Vanessa James, the first Black figure skater to represent Canada at the Olympics. There may indeed for show opportunities for J & R. I also expect them both to invited back to compete on the Battle of the Blades.
 

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