2019/20 Junior Grand Prix pre-season news & discussion thread

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The entries for JGP Latvia are out.

Notables:

Men
  • Phan (I was wondering if he was going to miss the JGP or else be a latecomer, a la Danielian last year)
  • Grassl
  • Mozalev
  • Samsonov (surprised to see him here rather than in Russia, unless he's going back-to-back; but then, Russian assignments are often shifted)
  • Torgashev (I still don't get why he's not in Lake Placid)

Ladies
  • Sumiyoshi
  • Kurakova
  • Lee
  • Valieva
  • Vasilieva (that won't be confusing)

Ice dance
  • D'Alessandro/Waddell
  • Kazakova/Reviya (it's been a few seasons since a non-Russia/USA/Canada team won an ice dance JGP, but this seems like it should be an easy win for the Georgians)
  • Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy (the preliminary assignments are two Russian teams I'd never heard of, but these two ranked highest at the last Russian junior nationals, albeit eighth place)
  • Cesanek/Yehorov (the mystery of the second America team deepens, as there are six substitutes named, all previously assigned teams plus the Browns)
 

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(the preliminary assignments are two Russian teams I'd never heard of, but these two ranked highest at the last Russian junior nationals, albeit eighth place)
Khuda/Filatov are listed as subs.
Their outing at the test skates were pretty decent so I wouldn't be surprised if the are getting the spot in the end.

Yablokov still without any event, only listed as sub in 1st. He is EYOF winner after all (not that I expect RUS fed to care about :p )
 

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They've apparently chosen not to use their second spot.

Which seems really shortsighted. They could always use a placeholder name and later decide not to use it, but what are they going to do if all 7 ISP teams and DelCamp Somerville (who should be added to the ISP after Lake Placid) "earn" a second assignment? There's not going to be enough spots for everyone since they preemptively decide to waste them.

I suppose Dance-Pairs Chicago will be the last event for teams to try to be added to ISP. Anyone know which teams are planning to skate there?
 

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Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy (the preliminary assignments are two Russian teams I'd never heard of, but these two ranked highest at the last Russian junior nationals, albeit eighth place)
I enjoyed at the test skate; really a pleasant surprise. Nice, gentle style. They’re both in the younger side, especially him (16).

I don’t understand the logic to the US dance assignments at all. What a waste. The US has so many good junior dance teams.
 

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Which seems really shortsighted. They could always use a placeholder name and later decide not to use it, but what are they going to do if all 7 ISP teams and DelCamp Somerville (who should be added to the ISP after Lake Placid) "earn" a second assignment? There's not going to be enough spots for everyone since they preemptively decide to waste them.

I suppose Dance-Pairs Chicago will be the last event for teams to try to be added to ISP. Anyone know which teams are planning to skate there?

I really wonder why USFS didn’t use that spot for DelCamp & Somerville? Same coaches as Cesanek/Yehorov. They should be added to ISP after Lake Placid...

I also wonder who will be competing in Chicago. Several teams didn’t hit the minimum score for ISP at LP. Some of their scores are not even close for ISP (10+ points below without any serious errors) so I’m not sure if one more competition (so soon) will bump them up to where they need to be. Tkchenko & Kilkov were added to ISP after Texas Cannon Open but their score at LP dropped quite a bit without any big errors. So which score is more accurate? I guess we will find out at JGP France. Can’t award a second JGP with two very different scores at summer competitions.

I hope USFS ends up assigning a second team to Latvia. I think there’s a lot of wild cards/new teams right now so I can imagine it can be tricky.
 

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Can they do that, at this point? They've got subs named, but as there's no second initial team for them to substitute for, is that spot still available to use now that the deadline for submissions has passed?

I’m not sure.... I thought I’ve seen teams added after the fact in the past?
 

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Copying out for posterity...

Junior Men
Entries
No. Name Nation
1 Luc MAIERHOFER AUT 1
2 Yauhenii PUZANAU BLR 2
Mikalai KAZLOU BLR 2 S
Alexander LEBEDEV BLR 2 S
Yakau ZENKO BLR 2 S
3 Alexander ZLATKOV BUL 3
Vassil DIMITROV BUL 3 S
Radoslav MARINOV BUL 3 S
4 Eric LIU CAN 4
5 Joseph PHAN CAN 4
Wesley CHIU CAN 4 S
Corey CIRCELLI CAN 4 S
6 Lucas STRZELEC DEN 5
7 Aleksandr SELEVKO EST 6
Arlet LEVANDI EST 6 S
Mihhail SELEVKO EST 6 S
8 Tom BOUVART FRA 7
Yann FRECHON FRA 7 S
Francois PITOT FRA 7 S
Corentin SPINAR FRA 7 S
9 Denis GURDZHI GER 8
Tim ENGLAND GER 8 S
Florian PASCHKE GER 8 S
Nikita STAROSTIN GER 8 S
Louis WEISSERT GER 8 S
10 Edward APPLEBY GBR 9
Joseph Alexander ZAKIPOUR GBR 9 S
11 Lev VINOKUR ISR 10
Mark GORODNITSKY ISR 10 S
Nikita KOVALENKO ISR 10 S
12 Daniel GRASSL ITA 11
Filippo CLERICI ITA 11 S
Nikolaj MEMOLA ITA 11 S
13 Kao MIURA JPN 12
Yuma KAGIYAMA JPN 12 S
Sena MIYAKE JPN 12 S
14 Nikita MANKO KAZ 13
Rakhat BRALIN KAZ 13 S
Dias JIRENBAYEV KAZ 13 S
15 Kims Georgs PAVLOVS LAT 14
16 Kornel WITKOWSKI POL 15
Egor KHLOPKOV POL 15 S
17 Sihyeong LEE KOR 16
Younghyun CHA KOR 16 S
Jaeseok KYEONG KOR 16 S
Sunghoon PARK KOR 16 S
18 Andrei MOZALEV RUS 17
19 Daniil SAMSONOV RUS 17
Artur DANIELIAN RUS 17 S
Petr GUMENNIK RUS 17 S
Artem KOVALEV RUS 17 S
Georgy KUNITSA RUS 17 S
Andrei KUTOVOI RUS 17 S
Gleb LUTFULLIN RUS 17 S
Egor RUKHIN RUS 17 S
Matvei VETLUGIN RUS 17 S
20 Evan WRENSCH RSA 18
21 Oliver PRAETORIUS SWE 19
Jonathan EGYPTSON SWE 19 S
Casper JOHANSSON SWE 19 S
Andreas NORDEBACK SWE 19 S
Daniel SEIDEL SWE 19 S
22 Basar OKTAR TUR 20
Alp Eren OZKAN TUR 20 S
23 Andrey KOKURA UKR 21
Ivan SHMURATKO UKR 21 S
Hlib SMOTROV UKR 21 S
24 Liam KAPEIKIS USA 22
25 Andrew TORGASHEV USA 22
Lucas ALTIERI USA 22 S
Goku ENDO USA 22 S
Eric PROBER USA 22 S
Dinh TRAN USA 22 S
26 Azizmurod SHABAZOV UZB 23

Junior Ladies
Entries
No. Name Nation
1 Olga MIKUTINA AUT 1
Jasmin ELSEBAIE AUT 1 S
Dorotea PARTONJIC AUT 1 S
Stefanie PESENDORFER AUT 1 S
2 Beverly WOODEN AZE 2
3 Aliaksandra CHEPELEVA BLR 3
Milana RAMASHOVA BLR 3 S
Karina SIDARENKA BLR 3 S
4 Maria LEVUSHKINA BUL 4
Ivelina BAYCHEVA BUL 4 S
Kristina GRIGOROVA BUL 4 S
Maria ILINOVA BUL 4 S
5 Kaiya RUITER CAN 5 (2019 Novice champ at 12; good to see her 13th birthday was before July 1st)
Amelia ORZEL CAN 5 S
6 Ekaterina LUNEVA CYP 6
Giorgia Isabella SECHI CYP 6 S
7 Maia SORENSEN DEN 7
Catharina Victoria PETERSEN DEN 7 S
8 Niina PETROKINA EST 8
Eva Lotta KIIBUS EST 8 S
Nataly LANGERBAUR EST 8 S
Karoliine RAUDSEPP EST 8 S
Annely VAHI EST 8 S
9 Laura KARHUNEN FIN 9
Linnea CEDER FIN 9 S
Olivia LISKO FIN 9 S
Vera STOLT FIN 9 S
Sofia SULA FIN 9 S
10 Oceane PIEGAD FRA 10
Anna KUZMENKO FRA 10 S
Maia MAZZARA FRA 10 S
Lorine SCHILD FRA 10 S
Sophie SPRUNG FRA 10 S
11 Maria Aimee RENNE GER 11
Elodie EUDINE GER 11 S
Kristina ISAEV GER 11 S
Nargiz SULEYMANOVA GER 11 S
12 Genevieve SOMERVILLE GBR 12
Anna LITVINENKO GBR 12 S
13 Elisavet VOULGARI GRE 13
14 Tsin Nam Nicole CHAN HKG 14
Jada Emily CHUI HKG 14 S
15 Regina SCHERMANN HUN 15
Emese CSISZER HUN 15 S
Zoe GAL HUN 15 S
Lili KRIZSANOVSZKI HUN 15 S
Julia LANG HUN 15 S
Dora NAGY HUN 15 S
Bernadett SZIGETI HUN 15 S
16 Elizabeth GOLDING IRL 16
17 Ivetta BERKOVICH ISR 17
Maya GORODNITSKY ISR 17 S
Nelli IOFFE ISR 17 S
Viktoriia IUSHCHENKOVA ISR 17 S
18 Rino MATSUIKE JPN 18
19 Rion SUMIYOSHI JPN 18
Moa IWANO JPN 18 S
Chisato URAMATSU JPN 18 S
20 Alana TOKTAROVA KAZ 19
Azhar ZHUMAKHANOVA KAZ 19 S
21 Anastasija KONGA LAT 20
22 Anete LACE LAT 20
23 Arina SOMOVA LAT 20
24 Paulina RAMANAUSKAITE LTU 21
Jogaile AGLINSKYTE LTU 21 S
25 Lenne VAN GORP NED 22
Lindsay VAN ZUNDERT NED 22 S
26 Jocelyn HONG NZL 23
Danielle GEBSER NZL 23 S
27 Mia Caroline RISA GOMEZ NOR 24
Frida Turiddotter BERGE NOR 24 S
Linnea Sophie Kolstad KILSAND NOR 24 S
28 Ekaterina KURAKOVA POL 25
29 Haein LEE KOR 26
Hyun Soo LEE KOR 26 S
Boin MOON KOR 26 S
Chaeeun WON KOR 26 S
30 Kamila VALIEVA RUS 27
31 Viktoria VASILIEVA RUS 27
Anna FROLOVA RUS 27 S
Alena KANYSHEVA RUS 27 S
Maiia KHROMYKH RUS 27 S
Kseniia SINITSYNA RUS 27 S
Anna TARUSINA RUS 27 S
Daria USACHEVA RUS 27 S
32 Gian-Quen ISAACS RSA 28
33 Emelie LING SWE 29
Julia BROVALL SWE 29 S
Selma IHR SWE 29 S
Tova LANTZ HARARI SWE 29 S
Emelie NORDQVIST SWE 29 S
34 Anastasiia ARKHIPOVA UKR 30
Anna IVANCHENKO UKR 30 S
Kseniia KLYMENKO UKR 30 S
Maryna ZHDANOVYCH UKR 30 S
35 Isabelle INTHISONE USA 31
36 Gabriella IZZO USA 31
Calista CHOI USA 31 S
Ellen SLAVICEK USA 31 S
Lindsay THORNGREN USA 31 S
37 Diana RAKHMANKULOVA UZB 32
Niginabonu JAMOLIDDINOVA UZB 32 S
Alyona MEZENTSEVA UZB 32 S
Laziza SALIEVA UZB 32 S
Darya SVOBODINA UZB 32 S

Junior Ice Dance
Entries
No. Name Nation
1 Elizaveta NOVIK / Oleksandr KUKHAREVSKYI BLR 1
Daniela MOLCHAN / Andrey PETRUKOVICH BLR 1 S
Karina SIDARENKA / Maksim YALENICH BLR 1 S
2 Elvira NIKOLOVA / Dane Francis AYERS BUL 2
3 Natalie D'ALESSANDRO / Bruce WADDELL CAN 3
4 Isabel MCQUILKIN / Jacob PORTZ CAN 3
Sophia KAGOLOVSKAYA / Kieran MACDONALD CAN 3 S
Olivia MCISAAC / Corey CIRCELLI CAN 3 S
5 Angelina KUDRYAVTSEVA / Ilia KARANKEVICH CYP 4
6 Elisabeta KORINKOVA / Tomas MORAVEC CZE 5
Denisa CIMLOVA / Vilem HLAVSA CZE 5 S
Natalie TASCHLEROVA / Filip TASCHLER CZE 5 S
7 Darja NETJAGA / Marko Jevgeni GAIDAJENKO EST 6
Katerina BUNINA / Artur GRUZDEV EST 6 S
Tatjana BUNINA / Ivan KUZNETSOV EST 6 S
8 Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS FRA 7
Eva BERNARD / Tom JOCHUM FRA 7 S
Emily BRATTI / Mathieu COUYRAS FRA 7 S
Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo LE MERCIER FRA 7 S
Celina FRADJI / Jean-Hans FOURNEAUX FRA 7 S
Lou TERREAU / Noe PERRON FRA 7 S
9 Maria KAZAKOVA / Georgy REVIYA GEO 8
10 Anne-Marie WOLF / Max LIEBERS GER 9
Lea ENDERLEIN / Malte BRANDT GER 9 S
Lara LUFT / Stephano Valentino SCHUSTER GER 9 S
11 Erin GILLIES / Joshua TARRY GBR 10
Lucy HANCOCK / Billy WILSON-FRENCH GBR 10 S
Emily PHILLIPS / Jayin PANESAR GBR 10 S
12 Villo MARTON / Danyil SEMKO HUN 11
Katica KEDVES / Fedor SHARONOV HUN 11 S
13 Mariia NOSOVITSKAYA / Mikhail NOSOVITSKIY ISR 12
14 Oliwia BOROWSKA / Filip BOJANOWSKI POL 13
15 Jeongeun JEON / Sungmin CHOI KOR 14
16 Angelina LAZAREVA / Maksim PROKOFIEV RUS 15
17 Sofya TYUTYUNINA / Alexander SHUSTITSKIY RUS 15
Ekaterina KATASHINSKAIA / Aleksandr VASKOVICH RUS 15 S
Irina KHAVRONINA / Dario CIRISANO RUS 15 S
Elizaveta KHUDAIBERDIEVA / Andrey FILATOV RUS 15 S
18 Martina ROSSI / Adriano ROSSI ESP 16
19 Maria GOLUBTSOVA / Kirill BELOBROV UKR 17
Anna CHERNIAVSKA / Oleg MURATOV UKR 17 S
Sofiia LYZOHUB / Danylo YEFREMENKO UKR 17 S
Anastasiia SAMMEL / Mykyta POGORIELOV UKR 17 S
20 Molly CESANEK / Yehor YEHOROV USA 18
Ella ALES / Daniel TSARIK USA 18 S
Oona BROWN / Gage BROWN USA 18 S
Anna LAVROVA / Maxwell GART USA 18 S
Avonley NGUYEN / Vadym KOLESNIK USA 18 S
Elizabeth TKACHENKO / Alexei KILIAKOV USA 18 S
Katarina WOLFKOSTIN / Jeffrey CHEN USA 18 S
21 Arina PAVLISHCHUK / Alexandr KUROPATKA UZB 19

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They've apparently chosen not to use their second spot [for a USA dance team].
Which seems really shortsighted. They could always use a placeholder name and later decide not to use it, but what are they going to do if all 7 ISP teams and DelCamp Somerville (who should be added to the ISP after Lake Placid) "earn" a second assignment? There's not going to be enough spots for everyone since they preemptively decide to waste them.
I guess USFS doesn't expect that to happen.
 
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I really wonder why USFS didn’t use that spot for DelCamp & Somerville? Same coaches as Cesanek/Yehorov. They should be added to ISP after Lake Placid...

I also wonder who will be competing in Chicago. Several teams didn’t hit the minimum score for ISP at LP. Some of their scores are not even close for ISP (10+ points below without any serious errors) so I’m not sure if one more competition (so soon) will bump them up to where they need to be. Tkchenko & Kilkov were added to ISP after Texas Cannon Open but their score at LP dropped quite a bit without any big errors. So which score is more accurate? I guess we will find out at JGP France. Can’t award a second JGP with two very different scores at summer competitions.

I hope USFS ends up assigning a second team to Latvia. I think there’s a lot of wild cards/new teams right now so I can imagine it can be tricky.
Cannon Texas was always a place to get the needed scores for certain teams. What score is more accurate?
 

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Cannon Texas was always a place to get the needed scores for certain teams. What score is more accurate?

I don’t know which score will prove to be more accurate but at Cannon Texas Open last month, Tkachenko/Kiliakov scored 138.08 then they scored 112.67 at Lake Placid. Maybe they didn’t skate quite as well... but a 26 point difference? They were awarded JGP France based off Cannon scores.
 

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I don’t know which score will prove to be more accurate but at Cannon Texas Open last month, Tkachenko/Kiliakov scored 138.08 then they scored 112.67 at Lake Placid. Maybe they didn’t skate quite as well... but a 26 point difference? They were awarded JGP France based off Cannon scores.
Tkachenko/Kiliakov also are the current Novice champions and perhaps that was a factor as well?
 

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Can’t award a second JGP with two very different scores at summer competitions.

Why on earth not? It happens all the time in the other disciplines. And isn't unheard of in dance as debut scores are often substantially lower than follow up events after teams receive feedback. Second JGPs will likely come down to the first JGP score. Head to head, thus far, Lavrova & Gart actually have the lowest finish of the U.S. dance teams currently on the ISP.

Tkachenko & Kiliakov are young and they may not hit the needed score for a second berth this season, but they can use the experience and their scores likely will come down quite a bit to the twizzles. (They usually do). They earned the same PCS in the RD as Makita & Gunara and earned their Junior Worlds minimum score in that portion of competition. And T&K have medaled internationally twice, won a North American Challenge event in Canada last season, won novices at U.S. Nationals last season, and have been competitive at the novice level for the past three seasons.

Ling & Wein earned their Junior Worlds minimum TES in both the RD and FD at Lake Placid and, likewise, made mistakes. Among the teams not currently on the ISP, I think they have been the closest to getting the required score. (Buckley & Spiridinov are probably the next closest. They cannot compete internationally until @late January). Lin & Sletten split results with B&S and, yes, they too can score higher than they did at Lake Placid. That is often the way it works with new teams & teams moving up to juniors.

Probably with so many new teams it will be tough for some of the teams currently named to the JGP to meet whatever score or criteria USFS has set for a second berth; but it is short-sighted not to fill the spot. There would have been no harm in waiting until the second half of the JGP to leave berths open, which is what USFS did the last time the JGP dance list was on the short side.
 

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All 8 teams on the ISP are quite good and even if they don’t medal, they still would probably compete well and at least not embarrass themselves. It would be really valuable experience for them all and I think it’s so short sighted of the USFS to not use their spots.
 

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QUOTE="Dobre, post: 5615430, member: 2895"]
Tkachenko & Kiliakov defeated Ales & Tsarik and Lavrova & Gart there head-to-head.
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I would say that two summer competitions this season with a huge point differential doesn’t give a clear indication of where they’re at. 26 point difference. I’m sure if they do well at the JGP then they will be in the running for a second JGP. At this time I don’t see why USFS would jump at assigning a second one coming out of Lake Placid’s placement. That was my point.

Teams like Wolfkostin & Chen made mistakes at LP but still maintained a comparable score to previous competitions.
 

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I would say that two summer competitions this season with a huge point differential doesn’t give a clear indication of where they’re at. 26 point difference. I’m sure if they do well at the JGP then they will be in the running for a second JGP. At this time I don’t see why USFS would jump at assigning a second one coming out of Lake Placid’s placement. That was my point.

Teams like Wolfkostin & Chen made mistakes at LP but still maintained a comparable score to previous competitions.
But they gave the spot away. They can't take it back later if more teams do well on the JGP.
 
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Who benefitted from this? It could be one of those situations where federations do each other a courtesy and a favor (in return for a favor previously or later?). We will never know.
 

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Who benefitted from this? It could be one of those situations where federations do each other a courtesy and a favor (in return for a favor previously or later?). We will never know.
No one (at least not directly). Georgia, France and the Ukraine were eligible to use the spot (in that order), but none of them entered two teams here.
 

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I don’t see why USFS would jump at assigning a second one coming out of Lake Placid’s placement. That was my point.

That's not the way it works. (At least not unless you are a very well established dance team. Really, the U.S. only has 1 team heading into this season that has done enough to be clearly a lock for a second berth regardless of performance in their first JGP: Nguyen & Kolesnik). USFS doesn't typically confirm second JGP dance spots for most teams based off of summer results. They pencil in teams as placeholders for second berths, regardless of whether those teams are likely to earn them. Then they send out the teams to compete internationally and see how those teams score and place in their first JGP. The teams that meet the criteria in their first JGP are named to a second event. The teams that don't meet it have their names removed from the penciled in event & it is given to another team or not filled. (If they skate early, then sometimes the names may not reach the point where they are penciled in as placeholders at all).

My guess is that USFS purposely left enough berths so that all 7 teams that were on the ISP (including Lavrova & Gart, Tkachenko & Kiliakov, and Ales & Tsarik) could have a second berth if the criteria for one was met in their first JGP. But it makes no sense not to have named a team to this spot. With Lake Placid being held this week and with so many new teams this season, we all knew it was highly likely that at least one more team would make the ISP. And still the Chicago Dance Pairs event to be held.
 
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Can they do that, at this point? They've got subs named, but as there's no second initial team for them to substitute for, is that spot still available to use now that the deadline for submissions has passed?
I also think that the US spot went to another country... you can replace assigned teams by subs but at this point I'm really not sure you can add
 

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I also think that the US spot went to another country... you can replace assigned teams by subs but at this point I'm really not sure you can add
It didn't. None of the three countries eligible used that spot. But I agree that as far as I know, the US can't add another team at this point.
 

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You can replace assigned teams by subs but at this point I'm really not sure you can add

Yes, this is the rule. If you have confirmed to the ISU by June 1st that you will use your spot/spot(s), you can replace skaters after making initial assignments by the stated event deadline.

But if you have forfeited a spot/spot(s) to the ISU by June 1st, you cannot ask for it back later because it gets granted to the countries that are next in order (those who finished 4th to 6th at last year's world juniors; if none of these three countries accept the additional entry, it gets tossed out).

So the USA should have assigned two teams and then pulled them based on results, rather than forfeiting a 2nd and 3rd spot. Seems very wasteful and poorly thought out for development.
  1. a) Entries by number
    ISU Members must announce by June 1, 2019 at the latest, to the ISU Secretariat, their participants by number for all seven events of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating. The official forms must to be used. The ISU Members must also announce by June 1, 2019 the disciplines and/or the events in which they were originally entitled to enter participants but will not use this right.
    Requests of changes of events or slots will only be approved in exceptional circumstances and must be addressed to the ISU Secretariat by May 24, 2019
 

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Although the US federation has executed questionable decisions concerning assignments, especially the junior ones, I surprisingly trust them in handling the dance teams since the dance field is SO stacked and probably has the most depth. However, they should take notes from Russia and simply put in placeholders and potential subs so that they are maximizing their slots whilst also having teams to fall back on should the people originally placed do poorly.
 

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Although the US federation has executed questionable decisions concerning assignments, especially the junior ones, I surprisingly trust them in handling the dance teams since the dance field is SO stacked and probably has the most depth. However, they should take notes from Russia and simply put in placeholders and potential subs so that they are maximizing their slots whilst also having teams to fall back on should the people originally placed do poorly.

Agreed 100%. To me, this was a poor decision on their part.
 

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Actually I don’t have any issue with USFS giving the spot back. USFS had benefitted from spots being returned in the past in jr ladies and maybe jr men too. So I see the system working both ways. If everyone held on to spots just in case there would have been no spots given to US in the past.
You shouldn’t just be a taker.

What is surprising that the spots returned didn’t get used by anyone. Is Latvia just not a popular hosting location? USFS might not have known in advance no one wants them
 

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Actually I don’t have any issue with USFS giving the spot back. USFS had benefitted from spots being returned in the past in jr ladies and maybe jr men too. So I see the system working both ways. If everyone held on to spots just in case there would have been no spots given to US in the past.
But that's the thing, when countries don't use spots, it's generally because they don't have anybody to put in them.

The US is one of the three biggest powers in ice dance. There are any number of worthy teams they could have given that spot to.
 

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What is surprising that the spots returned didn’t get used. Is Latvia just not a popular hosting location?

Well, Georgia has no teams to send except for the one that's already here. How many JGP dance berths do France & Ukraine have?

No matter which way you slice it, this is short-sighted. I mean if you are going to forfeit a dance spot, why would you forfeit it in Latvia instead of in Russia where there will be three Russian teams?
 

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But that's the thing, when countries don't use spots, it's generally because they don't have anybody to put in them.

The US is one of the three biggest powers in ice dance. There are any number of worthy teams they could have given that spot to.
But how do we know the other countries don’t have worthy teams to send? It is possible that they do and fans in that country are grumbling just like you are about not taking advantage of that spot.

To think us only has worthy teams seems us-centric
 

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Well, Georgia has no teams to send except for the one that's already here. How many JGP dance berths do France & Ukraine have?

No matter which way you slice it, this is short-sighted. I mean if you are going to forfeit a dance spot, why would you forfeit it in Latvia instead of in Russia where there will be three Russian teams?
Ok point taken
 
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